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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 14:41:49 GMT -5
Hey My LadyBugs! I have been thinking about tweaking my idea for a Charmed Spin-Off over the last few days and really do appreciate your feedback. I've made some changes as suggested by Esmeralda Zankou, jad and ljones and would love more from anyone who reads this. I am contemplating writing a Pilot Script but this may take me a few weeks to perfect. SIBLING WITCHERY[/color] PremiseWhen three very promiscuous siblings move back into their family home, they rediscover the world of witchcraft passed down from generation to generation in the Halliwell family of witches. Together the money hungry Wyatt, strip joint manager Chris and recovering drug addict Prudy carry on the tradition of the previous generation of ‘Charmed’ witches, managing their personal lives with their inherited individual powers and abilities. While each, already living scandalous and self-indulgent personal lifestyles of their own, the temptation of using their witchcraft to better their lives proves to be self-destructive. Resentment uprises from those around them, in addition to the evils that cultivate to eliminate their Charmed coven over the course of the series. The series is a spin off from the popular WB Drama, Charmed which ran from 1998 to 2006 starring Shannen Doherty until 2001, Alyssa Milano, Rose McGowan from 2001 onward and Holly Marie Combs as “Piper”, the siblings mother. All actresses and co-star Brian Krause have signed contracts for reoccurring appearances on the show, throughout the course of the series. The Main Characters:
Wyatt Matthew Halliwell [/center] Wyatt Halliwell is the oldest of the family coven at 26 and runs the restaurant his mother and father, Piper Halliwell and Leo Wyatt owned before they left San Francisco. Like his younger brother and sister, Wyatt possesses the power to teleport himself place to place as well as his individual power of molecular manipulation – to speeding up or slowing down objects in time, inherited from his mother. Taken by the greed of money and power, his unethical work style aggravates the sibling rivalry relationship he shares with his womanizing and sex obsessed brother Chris. Nevertheless, the protectiveness of his younger siblings and master in the cult from a young age encourages his fight to protect the greater good as a force to be reckoned with. Christopher Perry Halliwell
Twenty-four year old Chris is the middle child of the family and is the most mischievous of the three siblings.His seductive manner and flamboyant sexual orientation are a few of many characteristics criticised by his older brother Wyatt. His individual power of Telekinesis and sound knowledge of Tantric Witchcraft puts him in a perfect position to run a strip joint in downtown San Francisco. Prudence Melinda Halliwell
Chris and his younger sister Prudy share an extreme want to live a normal life unlike their older brother Wyatt. A barely legal ecovering drug addict at UCSF, Prudy often finds herself in harms way one way or another and is a spontaneous free spirit. Her ability to reason and mediate between her two brothers strengthens their tie as a coven and her power over the elements completes the bond they have as they collectively use the power of three to strengthen their wiccan powers.
How 'Charmed' and 'Sibling Witchery' differThis recreated version of Charmed works off the similar creativity and structure of the original show. Similar to Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige, the siblings have their own identities and are also vastly different from each other. The target audience is obviously older, as fans of Charmed have grown into adulthood and it hides no shame to its R rating with explicit sexual scenes, drug use and violence. The show reinforces the tempting evils that the siblings as human beings are susceptible to, having been born in a new era of social dangers where witchcraft and fighting evil may not be their most prevalent problem. The role of evil creatures compared to this shows’ predecessor is the secondary focus of the series as the destructive behaviour of the siblings and the consequences of personal gain are the forefront of episodic plots. Nevertheless, darklighters, warlocks and demons will appear throughout the series but not to the extent that Charmed exhibited. The reasoning for this is that the previous generation of Halliwell witches had already vanquished the majority of evil that threatened their coven and also to make this show different to its own 'ancestor.' Explanation of Absentee Piper, Leo, Phoebe's Family and Paige's FamilyWhile the series finale of Charmed showed an array of cousins for Wyatt, Chris and Prudy through the issuance of Aunty Phoebe and Paige, an explanation of their absence is noted. Phoebe and her husband Coop (Cupid), along with their three daughters, now live in Paris, where Piper and Leo have set sailed to on the world wide boating honeymoon they always wish the had. Paige Matthews and her spouse Henry Mitchell now live in Salem, Massachusetts. They live in the same hometown as their beloved ancestor Melinda Warren did during her time in the Witch Trials. Depending on the success of the show, family members, including Grams and Patty and those mentioned above should make appearances.
Also to note: 1) I don't want to change the characters too much from what we have already seen on Charmed.The sibling rivalry between Wyatt and Chris is still relevant and this will work toward the evolution of the storyline we saw in Season Six of Charmed. Chris is a bit more promiscuous from what we've previously seen but that was also a different Chris from the future. Also, I know the Charmed comics have said that Prudy would have the power of Telekinetic Orbing but I would rather have her power a bit more unique from Chris's normal Telekinesis. I wanted each of them to have a Warren power, except I think Levitation, Empathy and Premonition are gifts that Phoebe should pass on to her children. 2) This spin-off of Charmed is much more serious and adult themed.If anyone has seen Practical Magic, 'Sibling Witchery' carries on some of the themes of Wicca, public resentment of the sisters and the scandals with witchcraft that gets them into trouble with evil sources.[/color] 3) The absence of other Characters and Piper and Leo being be series regulars. ExceptI would rather have Holly Marie Combs and Leo Wyatt portray them, if it wasn't possible it wouldn't be worth casting different actors for this role. Even so, I think the Siblings figuring out their lives with powers together is more interesting - similar to Season 1 and 2 of Charmed. Also, there isn't enough room for 6 other cousins, 2 aunts and 2 uncles. A reason for their absence is explained below. 4) The Real San FranciscoI wanted to incorporate three social phenomenons that each sibling possesses into the show, relevant to the issues that many Californians deal with today. Marijuana and recreational drug usage (Prudy), financial hardship and financial focus of San Francisco (Wyatt) and the influence of the red light district (Chris) and the GBLT community. I felt that these were issues Charmed shied away from, especially considering how important the setting of San Francisco was to the The Charmed Universe.
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 11, 2011 15:07:47 GMT -5
ROFL! I *love* this idea and would love to see it on air. Just a few suggestions. - Recast Wyatt and Chris - neither Ramsey or Fuller could carry a show as stars and neither are interested in being part of a spin-off. It would be more realistic if you cast others in the role. Also nowadays Fuller looks to old to play Chris. I haven't seen Ramsey in anything lately to know if he would.
- Decide what you're going to name their sister. You call her both Melinda and Prudence. Personally I'd prefer her as Prudence Melinda, since that's what Piper wanted to name Wyatt if he was a girl as he should've been. Also, it keeps her separate from the little girl in "Morality Bites" who is very obviously not this one - the ages are off - she was obviously reborn as Wyatt.
- If you're trying to make this based on "Forever Charmed" and include Phoebe and Paige, you'll have to explain the absense of their cousins and why these three are the special ones and not Phoebe's three daughters who should become the next Charmed Ones.
- A special request. Anyway they run into a very special cop - one who came back to San Francisco after graduating from high school and who is Darryl & Sheila's child?
But otherwise, I do believe you've got it! Thanks for sharing. For this great idea, you've definitely been blessed!
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Post by Jad on Apr 11, 2011 15:33:12 GMT -5
It's like Charmed gets Supernaturalled. I just love making up words o the spot, but you have the main characters just as muddy as the brothers in Supernatural. That was my point.
I like the premise and wouldn't mind reading a pilot script if you are up to writing it. That would be the next step in my opinion.
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Post by ljones on Apr 11, 2011 22:11:49 GMT -5
Uh . . . are you changing the characters of Piper's kids?
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Post by Astral Echo on Apr 12, 2011 8:59:24 GMT -5
Time is a funny thing, we don't know what has happened between FC and the future to result in them turning out like this. Just because we saw them FC as we know them, doesn't mean they have to be like that in a spin-off. Time isn't linear, it's a wibblywobblytimeywhimey type line that can change at any given moment when time travel and foresight are involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 9:16:47 GMT -5
Hey My LadyBugs!
I have been thinking about tweaking my idea for a Charmed Spin-Off over the last few days and really do appreciate your feedback. I've made some changes as suggested by Esmeralda Zankou, jad and ljones and would love more from anyone who reads this. I am contemplating writing a Pilot Script but this may take me a few weeks to perfect.
Also to note:
1) I don't want to change the characters too much from what we have already seen on Charmed. The sibling rivalry between Wyatt and Chris is still in relevant and this will work toward the evolution of the storyline we saw in Season Six of Charmed. Chris is a bit more promiscuous from what we've previously seen but that was also a different Chris from the future.
2) This spin off of Charmed is much more serious and adult themed.
If anyone has seen Practical Magic, 'Sibling Witchery' carries on some of the themes of Wicca, public hatred of the sisters and the scandals with witchcraft that gets them into trouble with evil sources.
3) The absence of other Characters and Piper and Leo being be series regulars. Except - I would rather have Holly Marie Combs and Leo Wyatt portray them, if it wasn't possible it wouldn't be worth casting different actors for this role. Even so, I think the Siblings figuring out their lives with powers together is more interesting - similar to Season 1 and 2 of Charmed. Also, there isn't enough room for 6 other cousins, 2 aunts and 2 uncles. A reason for their absence is explained below.
4) The Real San Francisco. I wanted to incorporate three social phenomenons that each sibling possesses into the show, relevant to the issues that many Californians deal with today. Majirana and recreational drug usage (Prudy), financial hardship and financial focus of San Francisco (Wyatt) and the influence of the red light district (Chris) and the GBLT community. I felt that these were issues Charmed shied away from, especially considering how important the setting of San Francisco was to the The Charmed Universe.
SIBLING WITCHERY
Premise When three siblings move back into their family home, they rediscover the world of witchcraft and the occult passed down from generation to generation in the Halliwell family of witches and guardian angels. Together Wyatt, Chris and Prudy carry on the tradition of the previous generation of ‘Charmed’ witches, managing their personal lives with their inherited individual powers and abilities. While each, already living promiscuous and scandalous lifestyles of their own, the temptation of using their witchcraft to better their lives proves to be self-destructive. Resentment uprises from those around them, in addition to the evils that cultivate to eliminate their Charmed coven over the course of the series.
The series is a spin off from the popular WB Drama, Charmed which ran from 1998 to 2006 starring Shannen Doherty until 2001, Alyssa Milano, Rose McGowan from 2001 onward and Holly Marie Combs as “Piper”, the siblings mother. All actresses and co-star Brian Krause have signed contracts for reoccurring appearances on the show, throughout the course of the series.
The Children of Piper and Leo Halliwell: The main characters. Wyatt Matthew Halliwell Wyatt Halliwell is the oldest of the family coven at 26 and runs the restaurant his mother and father, Piper Halliwell and Leo Wyatt owned before they left San Francisco. Like his younger brother and sister, Wyatt possesses the power to teleport himself place to place as well as his individual power of molecular manipulation – to speeding up or slowing down objects in time , inherited from his mother. Taken by the greed of money and power, his unethical work style aggravates the sibling rivalry relationship he shares with his womanizing and sex obsessed brother Chris. Nevertheless, the protectiveness of his younger siblings and master in the cult from a young age encourages his fight to protect the greater good as a force to be reckoned with.
Christopher Perry Halliwell Twenty-four year old Chris is the middle child of the family and is the most mischievous of the three siblings. His seductive manner and flamboyant sexual orientation are a few of many characteristics criticised by his older brother Wyatt. His individual power of Telekinesis and sound knowledge of Tantric Witchcraft puts him in a perfect position to run a strip joint in downtown San Francisco.
Prudence Melinda Halliwell Chris and his younger sister Prudy share an extreme want to live a normal life unlike their older brother Wyatt. A barely legal recovering drug addict at UCSF, Prudy often finds herself in harms way one way or another and is a spontaneous free spirit. Her ability to reason and mediate between her two brothers strengthens their tie as a coven and her power over the elements completes the bond they have as they collectively use the power of three to strengthen their wiccan powers.
How 'Charmed' and 'Sibling Witchery' differ This recreated version of Charmed works off the similar creativity and structure of the original show. Similar to Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige, the siblings have their own identities and are also vastly different from each other. The target audience is obviously older, as fans of Charmed have grown into adulthood and it hides no shame to its R rating with explicit sexual scenes, drug use and violence. The show reinforces the tempting evils that the siblings as human beings are susceptible to, having been born in a new era of social dangers where witchcraft and fighting evil may not be their most prevalent problem. The role of evil creatures compared to this shows’ predecessor is the secondary focus of the series as the destructive behaviour of the siblings and the consequences of personal gain are the forefront of episodic plots. Nevertheless, darklighters, warlocks and demons will appear throughout the series but not to the extent that Charmed exhibited. The reasoning for this is that the previous generation of Halliwell witches had already vanquished the majority of evil that threatened their coven and also to make this show different to its own 'ancestor.'
Explanation of Absentee Piper, Leo, Phoebe's Family and Paige's Family While the series finale of Charmed showed an array of cousins for Wyatt, Chris and Prudy through the issuance of Aunty Phoebe and Paige, an explanation of their absence is noted. Phoebe and her husband Coop (Cupid), along with their three daughters, now live in Paris, where Piper and Leo have set sailed to on the world wide boating honeymoon they always wish the had. Paige Matthews and her spouse Henry Mitchell now live in Salem, Massachusetts. They live in the same hometown as their beloved ancestor Melinda Warren did during her time in the Witch Trials. Depending on the success of the show, family members, including Grams and Patty and those mentioned above should make appearances.
I've never been so passionate about Charmed in my life. Let me know what you think! - From David aka mrmilano
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 9:40:22 GMT -5
ROFL! I *love* this idea and would love to see it on air. Just a few suggestions. - Recast Wyatt and Chris - neither Ramsey or Fuller could carry a show as stars and neither are interested in being part of a spin-off. It would be more realistic if you cast others in the role. Also nowadays Fuller looks to old to play Chris. I haven't seen Ramsey in anything lately to know if he would.
- Decide what you're going to name their sister. You call her both Melinda and Prudence. Personally I'd prefer her as Prudence Melinda, since that's what Piper wanted to name Wyatt if he was a girl as he should've been. Also, it keeps her separate from the little girl in "Morality Bites" who is very obviously not this one - the ages are off - she was obviously reborn as Wyatt.
- If you're trying to make this based on "Forever Charmed" and include Phoebe and Paige, you'll have to explain the absense of their cousins and why these three are the special ones and not Phoebe's three daughters who should become the next Charmed Ones.
- A special request. Anyway they run into a very special cop - one who came back to San Francisco after graduating from high school and who is Darryl & Sheila's child?
But otherwise, I do believe you've got it! Thanks for sharing. For this great idea, you've definitely been blessed! Thanks for the blessing! Your a star! I love your comments. You have perfected my imagination Esmeralda Zankou! In regards to your feedback, I totally agree: [/li][li] 1) Lose Wes and Drew and recast. But with who? Any ideas? Some serious Eye Candy needed [/li][li] 2) I've given a temporary nickname of 'Prudy' to Prudence Melinda Halliwell. Whether she'll be called Prue is up in the air [/li][li] 3) I don't think that this new generation are the new Charmed Ones. Their just the magical offspring of the most powerful Charmed One, Piper (debatable). Collectively I wouldn't know what to call them. 'The Wiccan Three ' maybe? Have no idea! Updated Paige and Phoebe's absence in my tweaked version too. [/li][li] 4) Prudy's Love Interest - Mikey Morris or Daryl Morris Jr., - This was sometime that I totally forgot about. Great thinking! Its like Season 1 of Charmed, coming full circle. I can't wait to see the look on Daryl's face when he finds out who his son's new girlfriend is! Nice! Cheers for your comments. Charmed was so big here in New Zealand. We loved it! You've been blessed too!
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 12, 2011 12:36:24 GMT -5
Hehehe! Personally, if you *do* plan on writing these episodes as a virtual spin-off (and I hope you do), I think you should put off working on the pilot script until you actually come up with an episode guide, showing how you would follow through with these ideas. If you can't take it beyond 11 episodes (the amount a network will usually agree to - and, yes, I know that you'll never actually bring this to the networks - you can't - you don't own these characters or the ideas - but it's fun to pretend) then it's not really worth the effort of continuing, and I definitely think this idea is. If you *do* plan on writing these episodes as a virtual spin-off (and I hope you do), you may not want to actually post the episode guide since it would give away what's going to happen, but I would definitely suggest writing it for yourself. If you want to post the episode guide, be sure it's just as teasers, like in the TV Guide - don't tell us everything. I agree completely totally and since I always believed that Chris was gay who only looked at Bianca as a mother-substitute I have no problems with this. Especially where this is a Chris who grows up in a totally different world than the first one, I don't mind any differences, especially when he is now the middle child and not the baby. This is definitely part of why I like this idea. I see right now that you're having these people as guest stars and not as regulars and I'd agree that if you're going to show someone from the original series as the guest star, it wouldn't be worth the effort if they aren't played by the original. If they *are* going to be regulars or recurring, then I'd suggest recasting them, too, because otherwise they will be the ones most people will be interested in, not the kids, especially if the boys aren't played by Ramsey or Fuller. Agree totally. That depends upon how it's handled... [/b] I wanted to incorporate three social phenomenons that each sibling possesses into the show, relevant to the issues that many Californians deal with today. Majirana and recreational drug usage (Prudy), financial hardship and financial focus of San Francisco (Wyatt) and the influence of the red light district (Chris) and the GBLT community. I felt that these were issues Charmed shied away from, especially considering how important the setting of San Francisco was to the The Charmed Universe.[/quote] Again, this is part of what I love about this idea. I love the fact that you want it to be different than the original - it's what makes a spin-off work. BUT keep in mind that most of the original fans have gone on to other things - most fans are now ones who are watching the reruns. If your reason for changing the emphasis is to try to catch the original fans, you'd do better with the original three sisters recast, not the kids. BUT if your reason for changing the emphasis is because this is the spin-off *you* would like to see, don't worry about the fan base, just write what you like. *nods* This all makes sense. My suggestion is that during the series premiere you use either emails or phone calls (or whatever sort of communications you're showing them having in the future - something else that will make it seem more real, if you add a bit of scifi to it) from these other characters to show what is going on with them. YAY! I love seeing passion for my favorite show, especially one that appears to be bringing back what I love about the show while making it different.
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 12, 2011 13:02:44 GMT -5
ROFL! I *love* this idea and would love to see it on air. Just a few suggestions. - Recast Wyatt and Chris - neither Ramsey or Fuller could carry a show as stars and neither are interested in being part of a spin-off. It would be more realistic if you cast others in the role. Also nowadays Fuller looks to old to play Chris. I haven't seen Ramsey in anything lately to know if he would.
- Decide what you're going to name their sister. You call her both Melinda and Prudence. Personally I'd prefer her as Prudence Melinda, since that's what Piper wanted to name Wyatt if he was a girl as he should've been. Also, it keeps her separate from the little girl in "Morality Bites" who is very obviously not this one - the ages are off - she was obviously reborn as Wyatt.
- If you're trying to make this based on "Forever Charmed" and include Phoebe and Paige, you'll have to explain the absense of their cousins and why these three are the special ones and not Phoebe's three daughters who should become the next Charmed Ones.
- A special request. Anyway they run into a very special cop - one who came back to San Francisco after graduating from high school and who is Darryl & Sheila's child?
But otherwise, I do believe you've got it! Thanks for sharing. For this great idea, you've definitely been blessed! Thanks for the blessing! Your a star! No - with ideas like this, you are! YAY!! [/li][li] 1) Lose Wes and Drew and recast. But with who? Any ideas? Some serious Eye Candy needed[/quote] Oh, please! Don't cast just due to eye candy or even the fact that they look like Halliwells. That's how Kern screwed up with McGowan, Ramsey and Fuller! Cast some young actors instead who know how to act in dramas instead. Unfortunately I don't watch all that much TV that isn't either gameshow or reality shows (I'm blushing as I type that, but it's true) or true crime and most of the ones that I do watch have characters who are at least in their 30's if not older, so I wouldn't be a good one to ask. But I know there are threads here where people made suggestions for actors for the next generation, so you might want to check that. Or start a new thread asking people who they would want to play the boys if not by Ramsey and Fuller. [/li][li] 2) I've given a temporary nickname of 'Prudy' to Prudence Melinda Halliwell. Whether she'll be called Prue is up in the air[/quote] Oh! I love Prudy as a nickname! It sounds right for the baby (as compared to Prue who was the oldest) and would allow you to have Shannen Doherty guest-star as Prue without mixing up names. [/li][li] 3) I don't think that this new generation are the new Charmed Ones. Their just the magical offspring of the most powerful Charmed One, Piper (debatable). Collectively I wouldn't know what to call them. 'The Wiccan Three ' maybe? Have no idea! Updated Paige and Phoebe's absence in my tweaked version too.[/quote] I noticed you did - good job. Hmmm. Well, if they're not Charmed and can't access the Power of Three (they're not three sisters descended from Melinda Warren. That doesn't mean a lot to a lot of fans, but it does to me.), you really don't have to call them much of anything outside of Halliwells, would you? [/li][li] 4) Prudy's Love Interest - Mikey Morris or Daryl Morris Jr., - This was sometime that I totally forgot about. Great thinking! Its like Season 1 of Charmed, coming full circle. I can't wait to see the look on Daryl's face when he finds out who his son's new girlfriend is! Nice![/quote] I'm glad you like that idea. Funny, I was originally thinking of a daughter (perhaps named Andi) who would be Wyatt's love interest, but Prudy's works, too - especially if he was the one who originally arrested her for drugs and who took a liking to her and helped straighten her out... So very, very glad to hear that it was so big in New Zealand. I knew it was in Austraila, but didn't know about that. Reading your idea for a spin-off reminds me of a setup that I came back awhile ago for a second generation series. I never actually did anything with it and I'm sure it wouldn't mesh with yours, but if there's anything in it that you like and want to use, feel free. That goes for anyone else who wants to borrow the idea. Remember how during Forever Charmed, Piper talks about the sorrows that she has suffered? Well, I like the idea of Paige, Henry, Phoebe and Coop all dying while their kids were young (after all, we never see them as older) and Piper (who gave up her own powers when her sisters died, which also helped straighten her out so she raised the kids properly) and Leo (who has his wings back--he just glamours to make himself look the same age as Piper, the same thing he has done since they got married ) were stuck with raising all nine kids, hence the reason for all the grandkids. It also means that all nine were raised as siblings. (Of course, the fun of dead Halliwells is they can always come back as "ghost stars". )
Here's where it takes a cool twist that makes it different from most Second Gen fics and that I'd love to see someone write.
As the kids grew up, Piper came to realize that Phoebe's three daughters, Patty, Prue and Penny, are indeed the reincarnation of her mother, her sister and her grandmother, and it is those three who will become the new set of Charmed Ones once Penny is 18 (she's only a teenager right now, so there are no Charmed Ones, just the Warren kids) with Patty still able to freeze, Prue still able to move things with her mind, and Penny having premonitions (she misused her powers as Grams too much and hence the reason for the downgrade, besides the reason why she's the baby of this family) I think they would make a great Power of Three!
Patty's full name is Phoebe Patricia; Prue's full name is Phoebe Prudence and Penny's full name is Phoebe Penelope (naturally, S8 Phoebe would name her daughters after herself). Oriiginally Phoebe called them Patty, Phoebs (since everyone hs been calling Piper's Prudence Melinda Prue) and Penny, but once Piper realized that Phoebe Prudence is indeed her sister, she called her Prue and called her own daughter Melinda. Melinda freezes like her mother, but doesn't have Piper's exploding powers. Since Leo was a mortal when she was conceived, she doesn't have any whitelighter powers.
After finding out what happened in Chris' original future, Piper did the ethical thing - she realized that all those powers are too much for anyone--absolute powers corrupt absolutely--so she bound all of Wyatt's Twice-Blessed powers, so he only has whitelighter powers. He acts as the leader for the rest of the kids and is very close to Leo.
When Chris showed signs of Elderlike powers, Piper also bound his, so he also only has whitelighter powers. He's the best spell-caster and potion-maker of the next generation, making him very close to Piper.
Henry Jr. also only has whitelighter powers, since only the girls have Warren powers. (Again something that doesn't mean a lot to some fans, but does to me).
His sisters, Holly and Hallie, were being born on Christmas, hence the reason for the names (and all H's. Hallie was named after Halliwell). Holly has power over fire while Halley has power over water, similar to the cousins from the 20's.
Henry, Melinda, Holly & Halley and Penny are all still at Magic School, where Leo is teaching, although Henry and Melinda are seniors. They don't have a lot to do with innocent-saving or demon-battling except for getting in trouble.
So at the time of the spin-off, the ones mainly saving innocents are Wyatt, Chris, Patty and Prue, two brothers and two sisters, two witches and two half-whitelighters who are at college in some city besides San Francisco, which makes it all a bit easier to manage, even if Henry and Melinda are both seniors and will join the group the following year. This allows the readers to get used to them.
So here are the ages:
Wyatt 23
Chris 22
Patty 20
Prue 19
Henry 18
Melinda 18
Holly & Halley 17
Penny 16
That's about all that I've come up with right now--no plots or anything, just characters. But I'd love to know what you and other members think of MY Charmed-The Next Generation universe! Like I said, if anyone likes any of the ideas, especially if you like all of them, and want to write a fic in *this* alternate universe, go for it! Yes, Mrmilano, this definitely doesn't fit yours, but I hope you don't mind if others also use this thread for their own ideas of spin-offs. If you do I'll delete this part. For now, best of luck and here's another blessing!
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Post by Reality Bites on Apr 12, 2011 18:10:32 GMT -5
Reading your idea for a spin-off reminds me of a setup that I came back awhile ago for a second generation series. I never actually did anything with it and I'm sure it wouldn't mesh with yours, but if there's anything in it that you like and want to use, feel free. That goes for anyone else who wants to borrow the idea. Remember how during Forever Charmed, Piper talks about the sorrows that she has suffered? Well, I like the idea of Paige, Henry, Phoebe and Coop all dying while their kids were young (after all, we never see them as older) and Piper (who gave up her own powers when her sisters died, which also helped straighten her out so she raised the kids properly) and Leo (who has his wings back--he just glamours to make himself look the same age as Piper, the same thing he has done since they got married ) were stuck with raising all nine kids, hence the reason for all the grandkids. It also means that all nine were raised as siblings. (Of course, the fun of dead Halliwells is they can always come back as "ghost stars". )
Here's where it takes a cool twist that makes it different from most Second Gen fics and that I'd love to see someone write.
As the kids grew up, Piper came to realize that Phoebe's three daughters, Patty, Prue and Penny, are indeed the reincarnation of her mother, her sister and her grandmother, and it is those three who will become the new set of Charmed Ones once Penny is 18 (she's only a teenager right now, so there are no Charmed Ones, just the Warren kids) with Patty still able to freeze, Prue still able to move things with her mind, and Penny having premonitions (she misused her powers as Grams too much and hence the reason for the downgrade, besides the reason why she's the baby of this family) I think they would make a great Power of Three!
Patty's full name is Phoebe Patricia; Prue's full name is Phoebe Prudence and Penny's full name is Phoebe Penelope (naturally, S8 Phoebe would name her daughters after herself). Oriiginally Phoebe called them Patty, Phoebs (since everyone hs been calling Piper's Prudence Melinda Prue) and Penny, but once Piper realized that Phoebe Prudence is indeed her sister, she called her Prue and called her own daughter Melinda. Melinda freezes like her mother, but doesn't have Piper's exploding powers. Since Leo was a mortal when she was conceived, she doesn't have any whitelighter powers.
After finding out what happened in Chris' original future, Piper did the ethical thing - she realized that all those powers are too much for anyone--absolute powers corrupt absolutely--so she bound all of Wyatt's Twice-Blessed powers, so he only has whitelighter powers. He acts as the leader for the rest of the kids and is very close to Leo.
When Chris showed signs of Elderlike powers, Piper also bound his, so he also only has whitelighter powers. He's the best spell-caster and potion-maker of the next generation, making him very close to Piper.
Henry Jr. also only has whitelighter powers, since only the girls have Warren powers. (Again something that doesn't mean a lot to some fans, but does to me).
His sisters, Holly and Hallie, were being born on Christmas, hence the reason for the names (and all H's. Hallie was named after Halliwell). Holly has power over fire while Halley has power over water, similar to the cousins from the 20's.
Henry, Melinda, Holly & Halley and Penny are all still at Magic School, where Leo is teaching, although Henry and Melinda are seniors. They don't have a lot to do with innocent-saving or demon-battling except for getting in trouble.
So at the time of the spin-off, the ones mainly saving innocents are Wyatt, Chris, Patty and Prue, two brothers and two sisters, two witches and two half-whitelighters who are at college in some city besides San Francisco, which makes it all a bit easier to manage, even if Henry and Melinda are both seniors and will join the group the following year. This allows the readers to get used to them.
So here are the ages:
Wyatt 23
Chris 22
Patty 20
Prue 19
Henry 18
Melinda 18
Holly & Halley 17
Penny 16
That's about all that I've come up with right now--no plots or anything, just characters. But I'd love to know what you and other members think of MY Charmed-The Next Generation universe! Like I said, if anyone likes any of the ideas, especially if you like all of them, and want to write a fic in *this* alternate universe, go for it! Yes, Mrmilano, this definitely doesn't fit yours, but I hope you don't mind if others also use this thread for their own ideas of spin-offs. If you do I'll delete this part. For now, best of luck and here's another blessing! I don't know about a fan fic, but what if I used your concept to create a Charmed RPG game based on the next generation of Halliwells, Es?
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 12, 2011 18:56:20 GMT -5
That sounds like a great idea, too, RB! Go for it! I've never truly been into RPs, but for something like this, I might just make an exception... For that matter, we can always play it here in the RPG sub-board in Golden Gate Park...
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Post by Jad on Apr 12, 2011 20:35:09 GMT -5
I'm all for a RPG. If you need help RB, I've done a little of this. Especially simple rules used for LARPs. I've written my fair share of LARPs also, live action role playing, like how to host a murder but with different themes. I put them on at gaming conventions once of twice a year in my area.
Sorry for the off topic post, so I'll get back to it.
I like the temptation of Power part of this. The original show was a little light in this area. It gives it a darker feel like the Dresden Files books and short run TV series.
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Post by Reality Bites on Apr 12, 2011 20:36:23 GMT -5
Thanks Es!
And, I think it would be fun to start the RP up here too. It'd be convenient too!
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 12, 2011 20:55:09 GMT -5
Thanks Es! And, I think it would be fun to start the RP up here too. It'd be convenient too! Sounds *very* good! Go ahead and get it started if you want to. I'm sure you don't need help or you wouldn't have suggested setting it up.
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Post by ljones on Apr 13, 2011 0:26:10 GMT -5
Time is a funny thing, we don't know what has happened between FC and the future to result in them turning out like this. Just because we saw them FC as we know them, doesn't mean they have to be like that in a spin-off. Time isn't linear, it's a wibblywobblytimeywhimey type line that can change at any given moment when time travel and foresight are involved. Uh . . . huh. Hmmm.
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Post by Jad on Apr 13, 2011 1:43:40 GMT -5
Time is a funny thing, we don't know what has happened between FC and the future to result in them turning out like this. Just because we saw them FC as we know them, doesn't mean they have to be like that in a spin-off. Time isn't linear, it's a wibblywobblytimeywhimey type line that can change at any given moment when time travel and foresight are involved. "Don't Blink, blink and you're dead." Or, you're removed from your timeline and placed 80 years in the past with no way back. And, that's how a girl can have an interactive conversation with a video recording. Sorry, wrong show.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 9:58:56 GMT -5
Zankou Es's Spin Off Reply
I love your idea of a spin off especially with Phoebe's Kids. Brilliant idea. Grams will be so proud!
Ouch! There all dead? I can't imagine life without Phoebe and Paige - plus Piper loosing her 2 other sisters. But I like how the cousins treat each other like siblings - similar to my Cousins - I think of them as my sisters and brothers.
Agree with this 100% - She is half witch and half mortal. Unlike the comic books which give Prudence Melinda telekinetic orbing, I disagree with them totally. Chris is half witch half destined elder, while Wyatt is the Twice blessed. AGREED!
I like how one sibling is closer to either Piper or Leo. It makes sense. I also think that Chris is more of a Mama's boy than Wyatt! hahaha!
Can I ask why? Do you think powers should be passed down the female line like we originally all thought?
This is really cool. I can really tell that you love the episode "Pardon my Past"! It's one of mine too alongside SWTWC, DeJaVu AOA, The Wendigo, Awakened, Astral Monkey, Love Hurts, Is there a Woggy in the House?, PreWitched, AHBL, Just Harried, TheG,B and Cursed, Blinded By the Whitelighter, All Halliwell's Eve, Charmed Again 1 and 2, HHNFury, Brain Drain, C&D, The Last 4 episodes of Season 4, The 100th, Cat House, Sympathy for the Demon, OMG P1&2, Chris Crossed, 7 year Witch, SWTWG, Vaya Cons Leos, Kill Billie 2 and Forever Charmed
I personally wasn't a fan of Magic School. I thought it was goofy. Howerver I think if you can bring it into the 21st century and make it interesting then go for it.
That's right - this is an open space for all Charmed Spin offs - or even people taken by my Spin off who want to contribute and make it better. 2000 minds are better than 1!
Please don't delete Es! I think your idea rocks. I love the idea especially considering that Prudence, Patricia and Penny are reincarnations of the their respective ancestors. And I'm glad that Phoebe is one sister that would carry on the "P" tradition and have all girls. The beauty is that they are significantly younger than my Wyatt, Chris and Prudy so by the time my spin off would have finished - yours would be ready to get started! Give or take a few inconsistencies, but hey, this is Charmed - anythings possible. "Cupid's Angels" - Too cheesy! Hahahah!
I would love to participate in this. The idea sounds cool. You're welcome to do this here, I dont mind. Love it! If any other ideas spring to mind - post post post - after all that's what I do!!
2 thumbs up! Great ideas. Bunkbeds in the Manor! hehe!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 10:04:54 GMT -5
P.S Re-learning how to 'quote' is so awesome
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 13, 2011 12:07:17 GMT -5
Zankou Es's Spin Off ReplyI love your idea of a spin off especially with Phoebe's Kids. Brilliant idea. Grams will be so proud! YAY! I'm so glad you think so! I think Melinda Warren would be proud, too - after all, she saw the long line of strong women when she touched Phoebe's heart, and those three definitely would be, much more than Piper, Phoebe and Paige during S5-8. Well, I truly think it would take something like that (or Piper on the pyre during Morality Bites rather than Phoebe) to straighten Piper out so that she'd be able to raise all of those kids to be kids we'd be able to be proud of, not disgusted with like I was disgusted with her. And it would prove why we never saw any of these once we saw them having kids - something I ABHORED in Forever Crap, I mean Forever Piper, I mean Forever Charmed. That's one of the parts I really like about this idea. No, they're not. No more than the Halliwell sisters are half-witch/half-mortal and actually quite a bit less than that since from what we can tell, all of their grandfathers/great-grandfather/great-great-grandfathers, etc.) were all mortals, diluting it even more if you want to look at it that way. It's one of many reasons why I HATE the idea of witchlighters or half-whitelighters or whatever! All of the Halliwells are *witches*. Period. They are not half-anythings no matter what their father is. They are *witches* with certain powers. Before Piper bound their powers Wyatt was a witch with Twice Blessed powers and Chris was a witch with Elderlike powers. Now they are both witches with whitelighter powers. But they are not whitelighters. You can't become a whitelighter or an Elder until after you're dead, so they definitely are not! I know that's done differently in other Virtual Series and RPGs, and if you wanted to do it differently in yours, go for it - the absolute fun of such things. But for mine, I'd want them all to be simply witches with certain powers. In the same way, Melinda is a witch with the Warren power to freeze. (I call them Warrens rather than Halliwells, since the first Halliwell witch was Patty - Penny was a Johnson witch - but they're all Warren witches, and it's the Warren powers. But I'm with you - even tho I originally wrote a fic that let Melinda be the one who orbed her brothers to the past during Forever Charmed, since both had lost their powers as babies, I now agree that letting her have whitelighter powers is a huge mistake. It's one thing I truly hate about the comic books and is one of many reasons why "The Heir Above" is my least-favorite issue so far. Hehehe! I always saw him that way, too, even if he's a whimp like his father. Yes. I like the idea that the Warren powers were passed down through the female line. Wyatt and Chris only got theirs due to their father. Techinically Henry Jr shouldn't have any powers, but I'm letting him have the whitelighter ones - just not the Warren ones. I'll agree with you up to All Halliwell's Eve and then disagree. Most of the ones you mentioned after that, I hate. My own list of episodes I love: (S1) Something Wicca This Way Comes; I've Got You Under My Skin; Dead Man Dating; Wedding from Hell; The Truth is Out There--And It Hurts; The Witch is Back; Wicca Envy; From Fear to Eternity; Secrets and Guys; Is There a Woogy in the House?; That Seventies Episode; Blind Sided; Love Hurts; Deja vu All Over Again; (S2)Witch Trial; Morality Bites; The Painted World; The Devil's Music; She's a Man, Baby, a Man; They're Everywhere; P3 H20; Ms. Hellfire; Heartbreak City; Reckless Abandon; Awakened; Pardon My Past; Give Me a Sign; Murphy's Luck; Chick Flick; Ex Libris; Astral Monkey; Apocolypse, Not; Be Careful What You Witch For; (S3) Magic Hour; Once Upon a Time; All Halliwell's Eve; Sight Unseen; Primrose Empath; Power Outage; Sleuthing with the Enemy; Coyote Piper; The Good, the Bad and the Cursed; Pre-Witched; Sin Francisco; The Demon Who Came in From the Cold; Exit Strategy; (S4) Charmed Again, Part One: Hell Hath No Fury; A Knight to Remember; Brain Drain; A Paige From My Past; Lost and Bound; Saving Private Leo; The Day The Magic Died; Baby's First Demon; Cat House; Sense & Sense Ability; Necromancing the Stone; (S6) Little Monsters; I Dream of Phoebe; (S7) Charmed Noir; Show Ghouls; and Something Wicca This Way Goes? (up to the explosion only.) The funny thing about that list is there would be a lot more if I looked at an individual episodes (Charmedeggdon, The Lost Picture Show, Vayos con Leos and Payback's a Witch being very high on that particular list ), but putting them into the context of what was going on at the time and my reaction towards the characters at the time; no, in the last few years, I haven't wasted my time watching any of the episodes that aren't on my list of favorites, while I've rewatched the ones on that list many, many times. Well, in my own spin-off, Magic School and the people in it would never be shown - it was just a spot to stick the kids until they're old enough to help continue the Charmed destiny. Of course, if we end up doing it differently in the RPG, that would be fine with me. YAY! I'm so glad you think so! I'd also see how people would want to improve mine. Hehehe! Well, if you want to use my idea of the "Cupid's Angels" as actually being Patty, Prue and Penny and if by making them quite a bit younger than your three they can come back once they're old enough to help out with the Warren destiny and also use my idea for Holly and Hallie (or whatever you want to call for them) - go for it! "Cupid's Angels" might become a spin-off of your spin-off! Hehehe!
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 13, 2011 12:08:21 GMT -5
P.S Re-learning how to 'quote' is so awesome Hehehe! Unfortuately, replying to someone who uses a lot of quotes isn't quite as awesome as you'll quickly see. A bit of a pain, but you can make it work...
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