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Post by p3charm on Aug 2, 2006 9:01:06 GMT -5
You lose a sister or someone you loved that much and tell me if you always want to talk about them Princess Mary
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 2, 2006 20:06:55 GMT -5
I believe she was mentioned enough times. Just because they didn't mention her as much on the air doesn't mean we have to believe the characters never talked about her when we were not "spying" on them through the tv.
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Post by #1 Nightwish Fan AKA Amy Lee on Aug 4, 2006 7:07:03 GMT -5
You lose a sister or someone you loved that much and tell me if you always want to talk about them Princess Mary I lost both my grandparents and still talk about them. It's called memories, you always hold happy memories of a person. You still have to ackknowledge the person existed.
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Post by p3charm on Aug 4, 2006 8:54:21 GMT -5
Not everyone is that way. I don't talk about my dad that much or my grandpa. I lost my dad 1 1/2 years ago and my grandpa 5 months ago. Everyone deals with things differently. We all know Piper had an extremely hard time dealing with Prue's death, hence why she turned into a fury. That feeling never goes away. Heck if fury's actually existed I would've turned into one too after my dad died. People don't always like to talk about loved ones they've lost because it is just too painful to remember what you don't have anymore. Plus like maracev was saying we have no idea what they talk about when the show isn't on. We only see a day or two out of every couple of weeks or sometimes even months go by between episodes.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 4, 2006 16:23:11 GMT -5
Imagine how Paige feels every time the memory of Prue is invoked. It's bad enough that Paige has similar powers to Prue except that she teleports and doesn't telekinese. Nor does Paige uniquely possess the power to astral project. It is far worse when Paige tries to measure herself against Prue and feels that she comes up way, way short. Can you imagine having this drummed into her all of the time? Prue needs to be remembered - and is - but without doing damage to Paige - which is mostly the case. But, doesn't Paige wince just a little bit in Forever Charmed when Prue name is mentioned not once, but twice. It's only Patty who eases Paige's discomfort when she concludes that all things happen for a reason.
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Post by starlascharmed on Aug 6, 2006 1:42:34 GMT -5
I think that Paige understands that her sisters miss Prue but it does bother her because she tells Leo that not one time but two or three times. Poor Paige.
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Post by #1 Nightwish Fan AKA Amy Lee on Aug 7, 2006 23:18:29 GMT -5
I think Paige feels she has to live up to Prue, to be the same, or better than her, or Piper and Phoebe will be disapointed. There was a lot of pressure on Paige to be that.
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 8, 2006 6:51:56 GMT -5
Only the few first episodes of season 4. Paige became herself later on and I don't think Piper and Phoebe asked her to be anything but herself later on.
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Post by Triad on Aug 8, 2006 15:59:52 GMT -5
Imagine how Paige feels every time the memory of Prue is invoked. It's bad enough that Paige has similar powers to Prue except that she teleports and doesn't telekinese. Nor does Paige uniquely possess the power to astral project. It is far worse when Paige tries to measure herself against Prue and feels that she comes up way, way short. Can you imagine having this drummed into her all of the time? Prue needs to be remembered - and is - but without doing damage to Paige - which is mostly the case. But, doesn't Paige wince just a little bit in Forever Charmed when Prue name is mentioned not once, but twice. It's only Patty who eases Paige's discomfort when she concludes that all things happen for a reason. Very true, Paige did go through a stage with the Prue thing. So let's change gears for a while and see how Piper felt. Ok, when you look at the situation Piper seemed more broken up about the death of Prue in the begining of Season 4 especially when she found out about Paige. "Everything happens for a reason." I know I for one did not want Prue's destiny to die and have her death just to make room for Paige. I know that if I was in Piper's shoes I would be incredibly disturbed. Your best friend, who happens to be your older sister was destined to die. How would you feel? to me, Piper suffers more than anyone with the Prue things, sure Paige feels inferior but i don't think that holds a candle to Piper's sorrow. It felt so unfair for Prue's death to be her destiny(so says the show). I never really liked that part of the show, even though in the duration of it the drama was at it's best.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 8, 2006 16:25:36 GMT -5
Yes, but Piper's suffering stems from several differing reasons. First, Piper has been portrayed as the geeky, awkward middle child. Prue was the sometime bad girl, cheerleader supreme, natural born leader and replacement mother. Piper relied on Prue for so much. Of course, she was devastated when Prue died. Hell hath no fury than a middle sister cast adrift by the loss of her life's anchor.
Paige had none of these memories. Yet, she had to win the trust and confidence of her sisters, accustom herself to a life where family matters, and somehow fill the vast shoes left by Prue. No easy task.
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Post by Triad on Aug 8, 2006 16:36:46 GMT -5
yes that is not an easy task, but there is a saying of being closer to someone will hurt you more than not knowing him or her. Paige didn't know Prue but Piper did, and she couldn't stop Prue from dying. Plus, she has not seen her in a very long time, or rather, not allowed to see her. Personally I think Phoebe welcomed Paige from the start and thus Paige only really needed Piper to get used to her. Sometimes i wonder if Piper(in the begining of Season 4) ever thought that if Paige never existed that Prue would still be alive, since it did seem that all the things Prue ever did was for vain, since her destiny was to die, and allow Paige in the circle.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 9, 2006 13:55:56 GMT -5
No, I don't think Piper would ever have harbored such thoughts. Had Prue lived, it is likely that the Charmed Ones would have never gotten to know Paige. Now, that makes for a truly great alternate reality. Prue lives, and Paige finally comes of age. The Charmed Ones + one. The Power of Four! Imagine that!
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Post by #1 Nightwish Fan AKA Amy Lee on Aug 15, 2006 2:12:57 GMT -5
More powers at least can defeat more demons, lol
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Post by barmyoncharmed on Aug 26, 2006 12:18:03 GMT -5
Nothing Prue did was vain, it was always to save her sisters but she also knew when she needed her sisters and when they would take the lead and she'd need saving. It was more balanced, Piper would never think Paige wasnt wanted at first she would due to the fact she'd just lost her beloved older sister, Phoebe loved her sister just as much but writers as they were didn't show that side of Phoebe.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 26, 2006 21:46:27 GMT -5
That's a bolt out of the blue! "Nothing Prue did was vain": uh, did somebody forget that fantastic Season 3 episode: Sin Francisco. Vanity, thy name is Pride. Are we now setting up straw men to knock down so that Prue can be placed at the top of the pantheon! Come on! She was a good leader who made mistakes. Yet, her leadership was fueled not necessarily because she was the best. Rather, it derived from her position as the eldest sister in a family where the mother had died when the sisters were quite young, as well as the burning rage that burned deep within when Andy, her one true love, fell victim to a demon attack!
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Post by barmyoncharmed on Aug 27, 2006 1:41:31 GMT -5
Sin Francisco she was under a spell so not because she didn't have control over it, oh what straw men???
I know she made mistakes, but at least she put her sisters safety first because she was forever looking out for them. She loosened up alot and even took a back seat so her sisters could take the driving seat so to speak, it was hard but she was never 100% perfect 24/7/365
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 29, 2006 21:30:51 GMT -5
Clearly, her biggest mistake occurs in All Hell Breaks Loose. In this episode, Prue fails to take steps to exercise the leadership she has usually given. First, she fails to put firm limits on Phoebe when Phoebe divorces herself from the Charmed Ones to deal with Cole while there was still plenty of uncertainty with respect to Shax. Second, she fails to rein in Piper when the both of them pursue Shax into broad daylight. Exposure was the result of Prue's failure to be prudent!
On sure, she was under a spell in Sin Francisco. However, the spell was merely a magnification of personality traits. It was no accident that Prue was afflicted with pride. And, vanity thy name is pride!
The straw man technique is a method whereby a false opposition is created. Then, since the false opposition is easy to knock down, the perception is created that an argument has been made victoriously. The straw man here is the notion that Prue was vain! Who made this claim? It came like a bolt from the blue. Since none of us made the claim, we're not going to defend it. Attack it if you will, but it is nothing more than a straw man.
P.S. Mr. George W. Bush and Richard Cheney use this technique all of the time. Listen to their incessant comments or read Doonesbury. Either way you'll get the point!
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Post by barmyoncharmed on Aug 30, 2006 14:25:19 GMT -5
All Hell Breaks Loose, was SD swan song if SD had been staying then Phoebe would never have gone after Cole. Prue would've done alot of things differently, but since this was SD's last ever epi it was never to be about Prue smacking Phoebe over the head about Cole
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 30, 2006 17:35:07 GMT -5
I'll have to defer to Lisa on this one. It seems to me that when AHBL was shot there was some uncertainty as to whether Shannen would be back. True, she had been pinkslipped, but negotiations were ongoing. That's why the ending of AHBL is so open: both Prue and Piper could have died, neither could have died, or either one could have died. As it turned out, Prue died because Shannen did not come back. Given that the script for AHBL was probably being written well in advance of any final decision regarding Shannen, I doubt that Prue's errors in judgment were merely the result of Shannen's departure. Rather, they are caught in the moment decisions that turned out to have fatal consequences. They reflect neither positively nor negatively on Prue's character, but reveal her as human, prone to make mistakes.
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Post by p3charm on Aug 30, 2006 21:36:02 GMT -5
All Hell Breaks Loose, was SD swan song if SD had been staying then Phoebe would never have gone after Cole. Prue would've done alot of things differently, but since this was SD's last ever epi it was never to be about Prue smacking Phoebe over the head about Cole Shannen was supposed to come back for Season 4. Everyone had every intention to have Shannen back after AHBL. She did not get her pink slip until they were all on break after finishing filming Season 3 when she was off shooting something else.
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