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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 15, 2016 19:10:30 GMT -5
All witches are humans. Why would being a "full time witch" consist of hunting demons? Phoebe broke up with Cole because she was too immature and too scared to learn what had really happened to Cole in late Season 4. She also blamed him for her becoming the Source's Queen, instead of facing the reality that she had made the choice to become his queen, herself. Phoebe broke up with Cole because he betrayed her trust with a fake marriage and an unwanted pregnancy, how could a normal woman have again confidence in a man so ready to use her for his own purposes? Ah yes, poor baby, he was possessed! For a woman who found herself with baby Lucifer in the womb, there are no excuses Break up with him despite still being in love, was the first hint of maturity in Phoebe And yet she still chose to stand by him so she's not out of the blame game. Plus she kept carrying the child knowing what he could become. She still wanted to save Cole from the Wasteland and then later on she suddenly changes her mind for no reason. BTW in Witch Way Now didn't Cole tell Phoebe what that worm thing feeds off of demons essence,their powers which shows that the Source's power that Cole absorbed was tied to it's essence so he really took in the essence heck all the Source is is just a dark essence that gets reborn in another demon host body if whenever it's vanquished.
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Post by sol on Feb 16, 2016 3:47:58 GMT -5
We were talking about why she broke up after all the Sorce and his Queen thing
About her baby, Phoebe hoped to save him, to make him good: perhaps it was an excessive hope, but any mother'ld do an attempt for her child
Witch Wat Now
Phoebe: It's just that he's still holding on, that's why he appeared to me. So maybe if I can tell him that I don't have the power to save him, then he'll be able to move on for good. Paige: I don't think that's such a good idea considering what happened last time. Phoebe: I can't leave it like this. I owe him more than that.
Phoebe: Cole, we did the best we could. We tried every way possible to make this work but it wasn't meant to be. And it wasn't because we didn't love each other, it's just love wasn't enough, so now we have to move on, okay, the both of us.
Love wasn't enough, Phoebe is very clear, she doesn't want (and it's a legitimate choice) carry on their story, no reproaches for what happened,but she has gone beyond
She doesn't say: You were the Source so I don't want to see you again, she says: we tried we failed
I don't believe that a woman who admits to love but to not have the desire or the strength to face the difficulty of a love story with a demon it's a selfish woman, it's only a straight arrow person
It doesn't matter if Cole was possessed or not, Phoebe is tired: she'ld become a good friend, perhaps, in the future, now she needs space
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 19, 2016 15:31:45 GMT -5
We were talking about why she broke up after all the Sorce and his Queen thing About her baby, Phoebe hoped to save him, to make him good: perhaps it was an excessive hope, but any mother'ld do an attempt for her child Witch Wat NowPhoebe: It's just that he's still holding on, that's why he appeared to me. So maybe if I can tell him that I don't have the power to save him, then he'll be able to move on for good. Paige: I don't think that's such a good idea considering what happened last time. Phoebe: I can't leave it like this. I owe him more than that. Phoebe: Cole, we did the best we could. We tried every way possible to make this work but it wasn't meant to be. And it wasn't because we didn't love each other, it's just l ove wasn't enough, so now we have to move on, okay, the both of us. Love wasn't enough, Phoebe is very clear, she doesn't want (and it's a legitimate choice) carry on their story, no reproaches for what happened,but she has gone beyond She doesn't say: You were the Source so I don't want to see you again, she says: we tried we failed I don't believe that a woman who admits to love but to not have the desire or the strength to face the difficulty of a love story with a demon it's a selfish woman, it's only a straight arrow person It doesn't matter if Cole was possessed or not, Phoebe is tired: she'ld become a good friend, perhaps, in the future, now she needs space Seems more like an excuse if you ask me!
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Post by ljones on Feb 20, 2016 3:02:12 GMT -5
So, you're ignoring what really happened in late Season 4 and pretending that Cole did not become the Source against his will . . . despite what those episodes had stated and indicated. I'm supposed to believe that Phoebe was merely the innocent. You can believe that all you want. I do not. I know what Cole was guilty of in the past. And I know what he was guilty of in Season 5. But when it came to the Source, he was a victim. And obviously Brad Kern refuses to admit this, because he doesn't want to admit that he screwed up this storyline with bad writing in the end.
Phoebe made the deliberate choice to become the Source's Queen. She even stopped Cole from transferring the Source's powers to that wizard. Are you now going to pretend that she and Paige were right to set up Rick Gittridge's murder at the hands of demons?
She is a liar.
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 22, 2016 6:27:35 GMT -5
But from where it comes this concept of love so if you're in love you have to accept everything from the one you love?
With all the love I have for my husband, if had adulterate my contraceptives to have a child without I was aware and willing to it, he'ld end out of the our home to the speed of a champagne cork
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jun 2, 2023 6:13:58 GMT -5
I've been debating this concept of "Selfish Phoebe" or even the word "selfish" towards the later seasons of Charmed, and I have a few things to say ESPECIALLY about "Selfish Phoebe".
I've been meaning to state this, for awhile now, that I actually think Phoebe is LESS (that's right) selfish in the LATER seasons compared to the earlier seasons. Think about it. S3E17 "Pre-witched" gives us a glimpse of "pre-witched Phoebe". She was brought back to the manor due to being caught shoplifting a pair of shoes. What kind of "selfless" person would steal shoes? And, in the pilot, it's narrated to us, that Phoebe kept in contact with Piper to sneak back into the Manor, to bypass Prue's authority. On top of that, Phoebe was the one who found the BOS and practically coerced Piper & Prue into witchcraft. And, when Prue brings up the fact that Phoebe did this, Phoebe practically told her to "get over it". And, Phoebe's "excitement" about being a witch stems from the feeling she gets in "feeling powerful" or even "special".
Phoebe was the first (no surprise, here) to misuse magic/her powers and constantly punished, for it. Sure, she likes to help people, but I (also) think (at the time) she felt like she couldn't do that WITHOUT her powers, in the earlier seasons, anyway. Compared to the later seasons, she's able to help people WITHOUT using magic. Which is a much better way to make the world a "better place", to show others how to be "good" without needing to have powers via being an advice columnist. And, IK folks are gonna bring up "Baby Daddy Phoebe", when that wasn't really a factor until like a couple of really late S6 episodes and S8A storylines. I mean, even Drake (a beloved person, for Phoebe, according to this board) tells her NOT to "give up on love". So, I blame him, for bringing back "Baby Daddy Phoebe", to the surface, again (in S8), when it was dealt back, at the tail end of S6, to tell her to knock it off.
Speaking of, Earlier Seasons Phoebe would've probably thrown a fit, at the Tribunal for taking away her powers. Whereas Later Seasons Phoebe just accepted it instead of fighting it. Which is the "selfish" attitude? Fighting to get her powers back or giving up her powers? Seems silly to say the fighting for her powers to be the "selfless act". It's like the OPPOSITE of "selfless". Versus what S6E19 "Crimes & Witch Demeanors" Phoebe did WAS selfless. Giving up seeking her "baby daddy" versus Earlier Phoebe would've fought tooth and nail, for her powers back. I mean, S2E17 "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans" tells us this. She was completely selfish, in this point of time towards Piper wanting to not be a witch, anymore and instead of understanding Piper (like Prue), Phoebe scolded Piper about it. So sisterly of Phoebe (sigh)
And, in S8, she was ready and willing to NOT be with Coop/"find love" and just stick with/continue doing her "witchy duties" instead of trying to "fight" to be with him versus how hard she fought to be with Cole. If anything, I think Phoebe learned how to grow to become LESS selfish, in the later seasons versus how selfish she was in the earlier seasons. And, I think it has to do with her maturity, at the time. It was beautiful watching her mature throughout the show and sacrificing A LOT (almost as much as Prue, short of dying, though we can argue that she did LOL) to work for "the Greater Good".
EDIT: I'd like to add that she learned a VERY tough lesson in S4E20 "Long Live the Queen" in what it TRULY means to "sacrifice" for "power", like she wants, and she was unable to have both worlds and ultimately had to make the tough choice/decision to give up her love for Cole, to protect her sisters.
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