Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 17, 2014 11:57:18 GMT -5
Saw this post at a different site and I was surprised to discover that I totally agreed with it:
Amen!
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thepowerofnicki
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Post by thepowerofnicki on Jul 3, 2014 16:19:05 GMT -5
I was felt it was more of a friendship. I always found it telling that Piper went to Phoebe at the end of "Kill Billie Vol. II" she barely acknowledged Paige. I always felt that they never had that deep sisterhood bond.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Jul 3, 2014 18:44:42 GMT -5
Which isn't necessarily bad, per se. I mean, it makes sense. Prue was not only Piper's big sister, but also her hero. Paige has been a complete unknown to her for years, comes in right after Prue dies…I remember reading some analysis in another thread here about Piper never really learning to accept Prue's death until "Styx Feet Under", aka the episode where she was forced to take Simon Templeman's job. Becoming true sisters with Paige would be closely related to accepting that Prue is in fact gone and never coming back. Combine that with all the headaches surrounding her relationship with Leo, she didn't really have the time to form that bond. Sounds silly considering they've known each other for five years by the end of the show, but it is what it is.
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Post by cyma on Jul 4, 2014 7:18:07 GMT -5
I always found it telling that Piper went to Phoebe at the end of "Kill Billie Vol. II" she barely acknowledged Paige. I always felt that they never had that deep sisterhood bond. Piper actually was walking in a daze after the explosion before she stumbled upon Phoebe. She didn't go to Phoebe. In fact when she heard coughing from the ruins, she immediately left Phoebe calling for Paige, looking all hopeful. And finding Billie instead, it wasn't surprising Piper just lost it and tried to kill her. And after that Leo dragged her away. And let's not forget even Billie didn't look for Christy and just assumed her dead.
Not sure why Piper gets the bad rep for Kill Billie Vol 2 and Styx Feet Under. It was established that as an Angel of Death if Piper stopped death for a single soul, it would have consequences. Yes she tried to stop Phoebe from putting her life in danger because she was next on the list. But Paige was dead. It was too late for her.
It’s weird that when Piper is sacrificing Paige for the greater good, Piper is a bad sister or 'Piper hasn't accepted Paige' or 'Piper doesn't love Paige as much compared to Phoebe'(the last one is unrealistic as you can't ever love/like two people equally). She let’s Phoebe burn at the stake or watch her get whipped repeatedly and almost die, she did the right thing. Not to mention Piper made potions to seriously hurt Phoebe instead of trying to save her when she became Queen of the Underworld. And she also gave up on Phoebe. Even in the alternate reality she was more concerned with revenge on Shax than saving Phoebe
Also is everyone forgetting Piper just assumed Prue was dead in Apocalypse Not? And then assumed something must've happened to Phoebe when she didn't come home in Power Outage? Or when Phoebe and Prue disappeared in the Ice Cream truck? I think assuming the worst happening to her siblings is in her personality due to everything she’s been through. So assuming Paige dead...well lol in a twisted kind of way it means Piper has accepted Paige
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Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 4, 2014 10:58:41 GMT -5
Which isn't necessarily bad, per se. I mean, it makes sense. Prue was not only Piper's big sister, but also her hero. Paige has been a complete unknown to her for years, comes in right after Prue dies…I remember reading some analysis in another thread here about Piper never really learning to accept Prue's death until "Styx Feet Under", aka the episode where she was forced to take Simon Templeman's job. Becoming true sisters with Paige would be closely related to accepting that Prue is in fact gone and never coming back. Combine that with all the headaches surrounding her relationship with Leo, she didn't really have the time to form that bond. Sounds silly considering they've known each other for five years by the end of the show, but it is what it is. Piper actually was walking in a daze after the explosion before she stumbled upon Phoebe. She didn't go to Phoebe. In fact when she heard coughing from the ruins, she immediately left Phoebe calling for Paige, looking all hopeful. And finding Billie instead, it wasn't surprising Piper just lost it and tried to kill her. And after that Leo dragged her away. And let's not forget even Billie didn't look for Christy and just assumed her dead. Not sure why Piper gets the bad rep for Kill Billie Vol 2 and Styx Feet Under. It was established that as an Angel of Death if Piper stopped death for a single soul, it would have consequences. Yes she tried to stop Phoebe from putting her life in danger because she was next on the list. But Paige was dead. It was too late for her. It’s weird that when Piper is sacrificing Paige for the greater good, Piper is a bad sister or 'Piper hasn't accepted Paige' or 'Piper doesn't love Paige as much compared to Phoebe'(the last one is unrealistic as you can't ever love/like two people equally). She let’s Phoebe burn at the stake or watch her get whipped repeatedly and almost die, she did the right thing. Not to mention Piper made potions to seriously hurt Phoebe instead of trying to save her when she became Queen of the Underworld. And she also gave up on Phoebe. Even in the alternate reality she was more concerned with revenge on Shax than saving Phoebe Also is everyone forgetting Piper just assumed Prue was dead in Apocalypse Not? And then assumed something must've happened to Phoebe when she didn't come home in Power Outage? Or when Phoebe and Prue disappeared in the Ice Cream truck? I think assuming the worst happening to her siblings is in her personality due to everything she’s been through. So assuming Paige dead...well lol in a twisted kind of way it means Piper has accepted Paige
I think both of these combined show what happened between Piper and Paige with something missing. The fact that Grams said that Piper would be allowed to see Prue once she truly accepted that Prue was gone. Obviously thanks to what happened with Shannen Doherty, that could never happen. Accepting Paige as her sister and not just a substitute for Prue in the Power of Three would mean that Piper had accepted that Prue was gone.
That could never happen, so although Piper could act as if she accepted Paige as a sister (giving Wyatt Paige's last name as his middle name when really it was just a matter of whenever the writers didn't know what male name to use, they used Matthew; wanting to make Paige's wedding dress, etc.), she never truly could.
Of course, it's proven that Grams doesn't always tell the truth - like when Penelope Johnson Halliwell told Piper that Halliwell women keep their maiden names, or totally forgetting her brother Gordon when saying that Halliwell women never have boys - well, in that case she was right, since Penny's mother was a Baxter Johnson.... - but in this case, I think she did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 20:41:57 GMT -5
After the Manor explosion in 'Kill Billie, Vol 2', I must admit I was annoyed that Piper barely seemed bothered with finding Paige, but I immediately changed my mind when she heard Billie and got up straight away to see if it was Paige. I would say the birth of Wyatt and the 'Matthew' middle name was a turning point in their relationship because Wyatt was a baby that was just a related to Paige as he was Phoebe, and to him they would both have equal importance. So, I feel Piper properly accepted Paige as a true member of the family then. Of course, earlier on in Season 5, it was obvious that Piper would indeed choose to save Phoebe over Paige during the Jeric/Isis saga, but that's to be expected. It's like choosing between a sister and a really close friend. Honestly, I think Paige struggled to fit into a family dynamic more so than Piper did because she'd never had siblings.
I found it more unrealistic that Paige was suddenly super close to Penny and Patty when they revisited. She'd only met them both once briefly, and she wasn't especially open to Grams, for one.
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Post by robert123 on Aug 12, 2014 21:26:23 GMT -5
I found it more unrealistic that Paige was suddenly super close to Penny and Patty when they revisited. She'd only met them both once briefly, and she wasn't especially open to Grams, for one. Most likely Paige got to know them off camera. I would find it really weird if that wasn't the case
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Post by thepowerofnicki on Aug 16, 2014 23:02:08 GMT -5
Yeah I recant my previous statement. After watching "Kill Billie Vol. 2" I finally realized that Piper went to Phoebe first because she saw her first and she was just too wrapped up in her grief. Billie's cough snapped her out of it and she went to go find her only to realize it was Billie. Her anger towards Billie pushed the thoughts of finding Paige out of her mind.
I do believe that Phoebe's incompetence really allowed Piper to see Paige as a responsible loving sister that has her back. They also connected very well once Phoebe moved out (at the stupidest time). At that time Paige was there for Piper and her nephews when they needed her the most.
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Post by robert123 on Aug 16, 2014 23:05:08 GMT -5
Yeah I recant my previous statement. After watching "Kill Billie Vol. 2" I finally realized that Piper went to Phoebe first because she saw her first and she was just too wrapped up in her grief. Billie's cough snapped her out of it and she went to go find her only to realize it was Billie. Her anger towards Billie pushed the thoughts of finding Paige out of her mind. I do believe that Phoebe's incompetence really allowed Piper to see Paige as a responsible loving sister that has her back. They also connected very well once Phoebe moved out (at the stupidest time). At that time Paige was there for Piper and her nephews when they needed her the most. I always thought that same thing! Since Phoebe was just PhoeMe (Like so many others correctly say) at the time, Paige was actually more like Prue (Like she cared for her sisters a lot and had their backs) than Phoebe was
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Post by thepowerofnicki on Aug 16, 2014 23:15:20 GMT -5
Definitely her selfish colours really showed through. Although near the end of the season she was actually somewhat good again if only it were not for that stupid butt head Coop tried to get her to stop and think about love. I hated him. He was going to get her to regress yet again! I am so behind Esmeralda's pairing of Phoebe and Kara, death to Coop! (end rant)
Paige pulled through and was there for her family something Piper sees as vitally important.
(starts new rant) I also hated how Phoebe got a beautiful new apartment for no reason and we have no idea where Paige and Henry live after their marriage other than a few lines about moving in with him.
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Post by robert123 on Aug 16, 2014 23:21:26 GMT -5
Exactly! Its was so weird and kind of unfair but thats another point. Still, even if Phoebe was coming around again, like you just said, Coop came and blew it off!
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Post by phoenixflame on Aug 26, 2014 8:46:44 GMT -5
I was felt it was more of a friendship. I always found it telling that Piper went to Phoebe at the end of "Kill Billie Vol. II" she barely acknowledged Paige. I always felt that they never had that deep sisterhood bond. I completely agree! We dont even see Paige. For all we know, Paige was alive after the explosion but being choked (by wood on her throat or something) and died because Piper didn't care enough to look for her. Sorry, that was a little dark. I believe that even in "Forever Charmed" Piper had'nt fully accepted Paige as her sister because a piece of her feels like she'll be betraying Prue; that she's still coming back.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 26, 2014 9:15:21 GMT -5
Of course a lot of that had to do with the fact that Rose McGowan had already gone on to her next project and was hardly on the set, so they had to write around her. Can't help but wondering how that scene would've gone had they been able to use Rose (and Alyssa) more. Had it not been so much "Forever Piper", I might have liked it more, especially if it had been more Paige.
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Post by phoenixflame on Aug 26, 2014 23:21:05 GMT -5
Definetly. I've always wondered how different Piper and Paige's relationship would've been if it didn't take for a sister to die for Paige to be found.
Come to think of it, Piper and Paige's relationship issues (probably should've worded that differently) had more to do with magic than anything else!...
I'd continue, but I'm sleepy and I have two auditions tomorrow.So for now...To Be Continued
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Post by robert123 on Aug 26, 2014 23:25:39 GMT -5
I dont know. I mean, I can't get a picture of Prue, Piper and Phoebe meeting Paige before Prue's death (At least not as a sister). But as you said, it would be pretty interesting to find out how Paige's relationship with her sisters would have been if Prue didn't have to die in order for Paige to appear
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Post by phoenixflame on Aug 27, 2014 9:05:50 GMT -5
Definetly. I've always wondered how different Piper and Paige's relationship would've been if it didn't take for a sister to die for Paige to be found. Come to think of it, Piper and Paige's relationship issues (probably should've worded that differently) had more to do with magic than anything else!... I'd continue, but I'm sleepy and I have two auditions tomorrow.So for now...To Be Continued As I was saying, it's not Paige or Piper's or even Prue's fault their relationship was so screwy. Paige had just found out she was not just a witch but a WHITELIGHTER too. On top of that, she has TWO sisters she didn't know about even though one owns the club she's a regular at, AND she now has to battle demons regularly. Add that to trying to fit in, and your bound to have emotional tension.
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