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Post by charmedboy19802 on Sept 14, 2014 1:27:43 GMT -5
I think her powers were just unbound when she met Piper and Phoebe. Grams said she would receive her powers when they were all together, like before when the original trio reunited and their powers were unlocked. Phoebe unlocked the powers of the three witches who made up the Po3, Paige took Prue's place, and her powers were unlocked as well.
I just can't get behind the idea that she received that power because it was missing. I find there to be too many holes in that theory. Their powers are expressive of their Charmed-potential/Warren magic. If Paige didn't already have a Warren power, then she wouldn't have had the potential to be a Charmed One, thus wouldn't be able to help recreate the Po3.
Someone told me that the original three were destined to be Charmed, but Paige must've shared in their Charmed destiny as well, if she was able to take Prue's place. Prue and Piper had their powers before the existence of the Po3, before they were Charmed; they just had the potential at the time.
If it was just meant for the oldest three, then Paige wouldn't have been able to take Prue's place. The Angels of Destiny wouldn't have interfered, since they're neutral, right?
Melinda just foresaw the oldest three and the powers they possessed; she didn't see Paige being a Charmed One, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't have a Warren power. Being Charmed indicated that they had her three powers, but having those powers didn't make them/mean they were Charmed, just that they had the potential. So based on that, I think Paige could've been born with the power of TK, like Prue, but she wouldn't have been a part of the Po3, since there was no room for her.
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Post by robert123 on Sept 14, 2014 2:17:41 GMT -5
I don't think that's it. See, since Melinda did not foresee four sisters, the most likely is that one of them had to die, or give away her powers (Maybe) in order for Paige to be a part of the Power of Three. And let's face it, she was made to replace Prue, if she hadn't died in All Hell Breaks Loose. Paige wouldn't have existed. So let's say Piper died, Paige would get Piper's power, because she probably was just a powerless witch, and maybe even not a witch, but a whitelighter, I mean, in the end, that's what she ended up doing. So, most likely, if Prue didn't die, she would never have been a witch, and maybe someone would have discovered the whiteligher in her and made her one, or perhaps the Elders would have made her one when she died, as a reward for being a social worker... Who knows? What I'm trying to say is that she was not meant to exist in the first place, so she wouldn't have gotten any of Melinda's powers, because her sisters had them, and one of them had to die in order for Paige to get one of them.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 14, 2014 9:04:39 GMT -5
There's a thread similar to this at a different site, so I had to copy it over to here. Here's what was said there:
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Post by charmedboy19802 on Sept 14, 2014 14:52:28 GMT -5
I don't think that's it. See, since Melinda did not foresee four sisters, the most likely is that one of them had to die, or give away her powers (Maybe) in order for Paige to be a part of the Power of Three. And let's face it, she was made to replace Prue, if she hadn't died in All Hell Breaks Loose. Paige wouldn't have existed. So let's say Piper died, Paige would get Piper's power, because she probably was just a powerless witch, and maybe even not a witch, but a whitelighter, I mean, in the end, that's what she ended up doing. So, most likely, if Prue didn't die, she would never have been a witch, and maybe someone would have discovered the whiteligher in her and made her one, or perhaps the Elders would have made her one when she died, as a reward for being a social worker... Who knows? What I'm trying to say is that she was not meant to exist in the first place, so she wouldn't have gotten any of Melinda's powers, because her sisters had them, and one of them had to die in order for Paige to get one of them. But if Paige wasn't already a witch, then how could she take Prue's place? Paige would be a witch by virtue of being Patty's daughter. I also don't believe just because Melinda didn't see four witches that that means Paige would be powerless, just not a part of the Po3. I know the writers created her as a replacement for Prue, but I'm talking about in-universe. I don't believe that one of them had to die in order for Paige to have the same power as the deceased witch. Paige would've been born a witch and just like her sisters, she would've had one of Melinda's three powers. Her sisters having those three powers wouldn't mean Paige would be powerless, just not a Charmed One. Prue and Piper had their powers prior to being Charmed, and Piper and Phoebe had their powers when they were no longer Charmed; it just seems to me that Paige wouldn't need be to Charmed or a part of the Po3 in order to have a power, as powers are something witches are born with. Plus in the comics, Prue retained her power of TK; Paige had her own version. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Post by robert123 on Sept 14, 2014 20:08:06 GMT -5
I'm not saying that she wasn't a witch, I meant that she probably would have ended up only doing whitelighter stuff, because she would neve have found out that she was a witch. My only argument to fight the statement that Paige actually had powers since birth is that how is it possible that she never called out for something? But yeah, I think it's better to agree to disagree on this one
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Post by charmedboy19802 on Sept 15, 2014 15:49:39 GMT -5
Her powers were most likely bound like her sisters, in order to keep her from being detected by the Elders. They most likely weren't aware of her whitelighter powers/weren't able to bind them.
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Post by charmedboy19802 on Sept 15, 2014 15:53:03 GMT -5
And the Elders don't give witches powers. They don't need to; they're born with them. Otherwise, they wouldn't have made Wyatt so powerful; or would've brought forth the Charmed Ones earlier, if they were capable of such things. No, I'm pretty sure witches are born with their powers.
This is in reference to the series of posts.
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Post by robert123 on Sept 15, 2014 16:40:05 GMT -5
The Elders do give witches powers, even Piper and Leo said so when she got her power to blow things up, she got mad at the Elders for giving her a new power.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 16, 2014 3:27:57 GMT -5
Your probably both right in parts of what your saying charmedboy19802 and robert 123.
Yes witches are born with powers and the Elders give them their secondary or third powers afterwards if they get any but in terms of Paige I think maybe she was just born with whitelighter powers and no witch ones at the time because the P03 was already there and she was the fourth sister but she had the charmed destiny inside her I.E the ability to inherit one of the sisters powers if they died which she did with Prue or would have done with Piper or Phoebe had they died instead otherwise Paige would've just remained half whitelighter which she may've known about had she orbed or exhibited any other powers beside leaving her parents car or not if that never happened.
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Post by ljones on Sept 16, 2014 23:41:49 GMT -5
Are you saying that the only way for Paige's powers would become unbound was for her to become one of the Charmed Ones? What if Prue had remained alive . . . and Paige had met her three older sisters?
All witches? Even those who refuse to acknowledge the Whitelighters' authority?
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Post by charmedboy19802 on Sept 17, 2014 13:44:14 GMT -5
The Elders do give witches powers, even Piper and Leo said so when she got her power to blow things up, she got mad at the Elders for giving her a new power. That was a mistake. Leo then said her powers were just growing naturally. (Yes witches are born with powers and the Elders give them their secondary or third powers afterwards if they get any but in terms of Paige I think maybe she was just born with whitelighter powers and no witch ones at the time because the P03 was already there and she was the fourth sister but she had the charmed destiny inside her I.E the ability to inherit one of the sisters powers if they died which she did with Prue or would have done with Piper or Phoebe had they died instead otherwise Paige would've just remained half whitelighter which she may've known about had she orbed or exhibited any other powers beside leaving her parents car or not if that never happened. ) No, she had to have been born with a witch power in order to have Charmed-potential. One of Melinda Warren's three powers to be exact. The power of three was made up of three witches with three specific powers; individually they all possessed Charmed-potential and their powers were an expression of said-potential. If Paige didn't have a Warren power, then she didn't have Charmed-potential. The Elders giving her a Warren power wouldn't have given her Charmed-potential; she'd just be a witch with the power of telekinesis. (Are you saying that the only way for Paige's powers would become unbound was for her to become one of the Charmed Ones? What if Prue had remained alive . . . and Paige had met her three older sisters? ) Then she wouldn't have become a Charmed One, because there was no room for her in the Power of Three. That's not the only way a witch's powers can come unbound; if she'd met her sisters before Prue's death, I'm sure Piper or one of them could've brewed an unbinding potion/said a spell. Melinda only foresaw three Charmed Ones, yes, but that doesn't mean Paige would be powerless, just that she wouldn't be a part of the original Po3. Being Charmed didn't give them those powers, as Prue and Piper had theirs prior to the existence of the Po3. They possessed their powers outside of the Po3, thus indicating Paige could have a power without being a Charmed One. The Po3 already existing wouldn't have had any bearing on Paige's potential powers. They lost a sister-witch with the power of telekinesis, so in order to recreate the Po3 they needed a sister-witch with the same power: Paige. Being Charmed meant they would have those powers, but having those powers wouldn't necessarily mean they were Charmed, just that they had the potential.
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Post by robert123 on Sept 17, 2014 14:07:21 GMT -5
Prue and Piper had powers before Phoebe was born, and the Power of Three didn't exist yet. Now, Melinda Warren said that three sisters descended from her would become the Charmed Ones, and these sisters would have the powers (It's not that they're the Charmed Ones because of the powers, they have those powers because they're the Charmed Ones). It's their bond as sisters that gives them the power, at least after they were unbound, as seen in Power Outage, when their bond as sisters was broken, they lost their powers. And when Prue died and they found Paige,they formed a very weak bond, so she got the power that Prue had, the power that was missing.
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Post by charmedboy19802 on Sept 18, 2014 18:28:38 GMT -5
Prue and Piper had powers before Phoebe was born, and the Power of Three didn't exist yet. Now, Melinda Warren said that three sisters descended from her would become the Charmed Ones, and these sisters would have the powers (It's not that they're the Charmed Ones because of the powers, they have those powers because they're the Charmed Ones). It's their bond as sisters that gives them the power, at least after they were unbound, as seen in Power Outage, when their bond as sisters was broken, they lost their powers. And when Prue died and they found Paige,they formed a very weak bond, so she got the power that Prue had, the power that was missing. Prue and Piper had their powers prior to becoming Charmed, thus being Charmed didn't cause them to have those powers. It indicated what powers they would have, but isn't the sole reason why they possess those powers in the first place. Paige wouldn't have been able to become a Charmed One if she didn't possess the missing power, the potential to be the third member of the Po3. Piper and Phoebe wouldn't have been able to form a bond with Paige if she wasn't a sister-witch with the missing power of telekinesis. Melinda observed that there would be these three sisters with these three powers; that observation wouldn't have caused anything to happen. It certainly wouldn't have stripped Paige of any potential powers. It just meant that she wouldn't be a member of the Po3. If Paige had the potential to be a Charmed One, she needed one of Melinda Warren's three powers as that would've been an expression of her Charmed-potential, the same Prue and Piper had prior to becoming Charmed. They and the powers they possess are connected and enhanced through the bond they share, but their powers aren't derived from that bond. Otherwise, Piper and Phoebe would've lost theirs once Prue died; they didn't. When the sisters turned on one another in "Power Outage" and lost their powers, that was just the result of them sharing in the Po3. Had nothing to do with the spell that unbound their powers. Their bond enhances their individual powers significantly, and when that bond was broken internally, they lost their powers as result. Since they were all able to have their powers prior to and following the existence of the Po3, that just means they don't need to be Charmed in order to have those specific powers, thus Paige wouldn't need to be Charmed in order have her power of telekinesis. Patty said when Paige reunited with her sisters, she would receive her powers, just like before with the original trio. Their powers were unbound when they reunited. Piper and Phoebe were still under the effect of the Dominus Trinus spell, the same spell that affected the entire Po3, and when they formed a bond with Paige, she became affected by that spell as well, thus her powers came unbound. There's really no reason why Paige would've been born without an active power.
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Post by charmedboy19802 on Sept 20, 2014 21:53:48 GMT -5
Just because Melinda didn't foresee Paige being a part of the Charmed Power of Three doesn't mean she wouldn't have a Warren power, just that she wouldn't initially be a Charmed One.
Being Charmed indicated what powers they had, but it didn't give them those powers as they, at least Prue and Piper, had them long before the existence of the Po3.
And I think in "Power Outage", their powers were just neutralized as a result of their broken bond, and when they mended that bond, their powers were reactivated. When they formed a bond with Paige, her powers were just activated, I believe. They weren't reforming the original bond, they were creating a whole new one with a different member.
And in "Charmed, Again", Piper just meant that if Paige was the third member of the Po3, then that would mean she has telekinesis. Not that she has the power as a result of being the third member, just that she has it.
That's a bit of a misinterpretation of what she actually meant. Being the third member didn't cause her to have that power, it meant that she had it.
I just can't get behind the idea that Paige was powerless (at least in terms of witch powers) simply because she wasn't foreseen by Melinda as being a part of some super-powerful witch trio. All witches are born with their powers; they receive just enough magic from the All in order to channel their magic into an active power.
Besides, I don't think Piper and Phoebe could connect to her magically if she didn't already possess a Warren power, as that most likely would've been a reflection of her Charmed-potential. If she didn't have one of Melinda's three powers, then she didn't have Charmed-potential.
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Post by ljones on Sept 21, 2014 12:37:00 GMT -5
The idea that the Whitelighters gave witches their secondary powers is such a turn off to me. I hate the idea that the whitelighters have this much control over their lives. And I cannot help but wonder what in the hell Connie Burge and Brad Kern were thinking. I get the idea that deep down, those two had a major dislike of the idea of free will. Or perhaps they still do. There are so many hints of this kind of thinking in the story lines for this series. The creation of whitelighters, Leo's negative response to the idea of free will, that idiotic council of whitelighters and demons that Phoebe had to answer to and that ludicrous "48 Hours Window of Opportunity" rule. I thought whitelighters were supposed to be guardian angels for witches. That idea was first introduced back in Season One. Why did Burge and Kern believe it was important to give whitelighters more power over witches?
Whitelighters giving witches their secondary powers. No wonder I had left that crap out of my fan fiction stories. Talk about bad writing.
According to the show, Melinda had the ability to move objects with her mind. In her case, along with Grams, Prue and Chris, this ability came in the form of telekinesis. In the case of Paige, it seemed to come in the form of teleportation.
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Post by charmedboy19802 on Sept 21, 2014 16:31:33 GMT -5
The idea that the Whitelighters gave witches their secondary powers is such a turn off to me. I hate the idea that the whitelighters have this much control over their lives. And I cannot help but wonder what in the hell Connie Burge and Brad Kern were thinking. I get the idea that deep down, those two had a major dislike of the idea of free will. Or perhaps they still do. There are so many hints of this kind of thinking in the story lines for this series. The creation of whitelighters, Leo's negative response to the idea of free will, that idiotic council of whitelighters and demons that Phoebe had to answer to and that ludicrous "48 Hours Window of Opportunity" rule. I thought whitelighters were supposed to be guardian angels for witches. That idea was first introduced back in Season One. Why did Burge and Kern believe it was important to give whitelighters more power over witches? Whitelighters giving witches their secondary powers. No wonder I had left that crap out of my fan fiction stories. Talk about bad writing. According to the show, Melinda had the ability to move objects with her mind. In her case, along with Grams, Prue and Chris, this ability came in the form of telekinesis. In the case of Paige, it seemed to come in the form of teleportation. I think that was just an error on the writer's part. Didn't Leo then say that Piper's powers were just growing? They can't just say the Elders gave her that power and also have it be a natural advancement of her primary power. Her powers wouldn't be growing if she was just given a power; it wouldn't be natural. I really don't think the Elders were responsible for witches gaining powers; I think they just had them naturally. They certainly wouldn't have made Wyatt as powerful as he was. As their magic grew, their powers grew. Isn't the twice-blessed prophecy the real reason they kept Piper and Leo apart? They were afraid they'd end up producing too great a concentration of power. I didn't care for the 48-Hour Window of Opportunity-thing; it seemed a bit childish, sort of black-and-white. They could've just said something about the Source specifically corrupting her to the point of no return, instead of some ridiculous idea that if any witch uses his or her powers for evil in the first 48 hours after receiving them, they're evil forever. I mean, come on. Well turning back to Paige, I just meant that she would already have some form of the power. I pretty sure she could do everything that Prue could; she just chose to use her power more passively. She wouldn't really need to be as aggressive with her powers as Prue was with hers, since Piper could just blow demons up. I have a theory that if a witch with telekinetic orbing uses their powers more aggressively, like regular telekinesis, it'll eventually evolve into that power; at least, I think that's the case with Chris.
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Post by ljones on Sept 24, 2014 14:21:49 GMT -5
I hope so. I hope you're right.
Paige's ability looks like good old fashioned TELEPORTING to me. She is still moving objects with her mind. What was Kern's problem in accepting this?
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 26, 2014 12:45:52 GMT -5
Saw this at another site and it reminded me of this thread.
The Original Poster (OP) wrote:
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Using the same logic, this means that Paige was not born with telekinesis, just like the others weren't; they were born with the ability to access that power if it was available. But it would not have been available to Paige because Prue already could. It was that ability to access that power that Grams bound - no need to bind Paige's, since that power was already bound and couldn't be accessed. So Paige could only access her whitelighter powers.
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Post by charmedboy19802 on Sept 28, 2014 0:46:42 GMT -5
Saw this at another site and it reminded me of this thread. The Original Poster (OP) wrote: Another member replied: The OP replied: I replied: Using the same logic, this means that Paige was not born with telekinesis, just like the others weren't; they were born with the ability to access that power if it was available. But it would not have been available to Paige because Prue already could. It was that ability to access that power that Grams bound - no need to bind Paige's, since that power was already bound and couldn't be accessed. So Paige could only access her whitelighter powers. No, I'm pretty sure they were all born with their powers. Their powers became deactivated when they went to the past. There's nothing to suggest that little Chris would've manifested any powers while in the womb even if Big Chris wasn't around; he didn't manifest any powers until a year-and-a-half after his birth. Let me reiterate: Prue already possessing the power of telekinesis wouldn't mean Paige couldn't possess the power; it just meant that she wouldn't be able to take part in the Po3. The Po3 didn't give them their powers; they were born with them. Prue already having the power of TK wouldn't mean Paige couldn't have that power. She wasn't a part of the Po3. She didn't access Prue's power; she already had her own version of the power. A different witch possessing the same power in the same time isn't the same thing as the same witch from another time possessing the same power. Prue already having the power of telekinesis wouldn't mean Paige would be powerless. Paige was born with her powers just like her sisters. Paige's powers became activated when she met her sisters; as in they were previously dormant. She didn't receive that power as a result of the Charmed prophecy (an observation based on a vision), the Elders (why would they need to give her that power if she could restore the Po3 while powerless), or the original bond shared between the first Po3 (that bond was completely destroyed when Prue died; they needed all the original members to reform the original bond). They formed a new bond with Paige, a sister-witch who also possessed the power of telekinesis, thus possessing the potential to be the third member of the Po3. In "Centennial Charmed", I'm guessing Paige was able to access her powers (once she reunited w/ her sisters) because the powers of the dead Paige of that universe were never activated; they were inactive. The Dead Paige would've still had her white-lighter powers, thus Paige couldn't access them. They were born with their powers, not the ability to use those powers. Powers are an innate part of a witch. When Paige became a Charmed One, she was able to access her own power of telekinesis, not Prue's. Her powers came unbound like her sisters' did in the first episode. Binding Prue's powers wouldn't have bound Paige's powers, since they didn't share the same power. They had two different versions of the same power. The already existing Po3 wouldn't have robbed Paige of any potential powers. Besides, Prue still had her power of telekinesis when she returned to life in Season 09 so that theory doesn't hold water. The logic geared toward powers and time travel doesn't apply here because you're dealing with two different witches in the same time period, not the same witch from two different time periods. If they were just born with the ability to use those powers, then Prue and Paige would be accessing two different versions of telekinesis, not the same. You really can't use the same logic as you would with time travel.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 28, 2014 6:23:16 GMT -5
The same thing applies with Paige and Billie when she had telekinesis and Paige telekinetic orbing at the same time.
Had Piper or Phoebe died instead of Prue then the P03 wouldn't be reconstituted obviously if Paige was born with telekinesis as the other power whichever one was lost wouldn't be there unless the sisters had another long relative who possessed that then to.
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