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Post by isaiah on Nov 23, 2014 21:56:12 GMT -5
Who would win if they fought in a battle.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Nov 24, 2014 3:18:23 GMT -5
Since I have only a cursory understanding of what Willow's all about, you can take this with a grain of salt, but here's my analysis:
If it's Dark Willow vs. the Season 6-8 Charmed Ones, and she has a good divide-and-conquer plan for them, she wins. Either of those doesn't happen, I say advantage Charmed Ones.
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Post by robert123 on Nov 24, 2014 19:16:13 GMT -5
I really haven't watched Buffy, so i really can't say, but I think that you can't put all of the Charmed Ones together, because (supposedly) with the Power of Three they can beat anyone. Again, I really can't say anything since I don't actually know Willow.
And as Darkhorse Christian said, if it is S6-8 Charmed Ones, then she can win.
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Post by ljones on Nov 25, 2014 22:05:57 GMT -5
Willow's level of power is supposed to match the Power of Three. As to who would win, I don't know.
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Post by isaiah on Nov 26, 2014 20:15:23 GMT -5
Which charmed ones with prue? or paige? keep in mind when prue died she weaken the power of three
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Post by Nimue on Nov 27, 2014 6:36:04 GMT -5
I'd say the Charmed Ones, because it's three against one, which means they could probably distract Willow enough to recite a spell that would make them win. I know Willow is supposed to have the same amount of power as the sisters put together, but if she's distracted long enough they stand a chance.
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Post by ljones on Nov 28, 2014 4:11:25 GMT -5
I'd say the Charmed Ones, because it's three against one, which means they could probably distract Willow enough to recite a spell that would make them win. I know Willow is supposed to have the same amount of power as the sisters put together, but if she's distracted long enough they stand a chance. You're claiming that the Halliwells would win because there were three of them? Numbers don't mean anything to me. As a longtime viewer of "BUFFY" and "CHARMED", I've noticed that Willow's abilities - especially in the later seasons of "BUFFY" - seemed to be at the same level as the Power of Three together. I'm not going to claim that the Halliwells would win. And I'm not going to claim that Willow would win. I don't who would win. And I think it's presumptuous of us all to assume that we would know.
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Post by Nimue on Nov 28, 2014 12:16:12 GMT -5
Like you said, we don't know: these are fictional characters in fictional universes, but that doesn't mean we can't speculate or have an opinion on it. And yes, I do believe the Charmed Ones would win: I believe they have enough brains between them to distract Willow and win. But again, that's just my opinion. If you don't like it, no problem, that's your right, it doesn't mean you're right and I'm wrong.
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Post by misterchristxpher on Mar 17, 2015 22:51:31 GMT -5
If we're going season six Dark Willow vs. season six Charmed Ones, then I definitely think the Charmed Ones would come out with a victory.
Dark Willow was super powerful, and would've been the perfect kind of witch for the Charmed Ones to come up against (definitely a better Ultimate Power than Billie & Christie). It would be a very tough battle, and not one that everyone would survive (my guess is that Dark Willow would attack and kill one of their loved ones, their father or Leo for example). This would put the Charmed Ones on the path of victory for they'd have even more of a reason to vanquish this power. With Phoebe's premonitions giving them a huge advantage, Paige's power to orb and Piper's freezing power, they'd secure a win. Her freezing power in season six would've definitely frozen Dark Willow (if even for a few seconds), and then they'd have a potion and a powerful spell to bind her powers forever. I feel like they'd bind rather than vanquish because Willow was a good person who was just corrupted with too much power, and they'd want to restore her to her normal self (although it would take much sisterly debate after losing one of their loved ones).
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 18, 2015 5:55:21 GMT -5
If we're going season six Dark Willow vs. season six Charmed Ones, then I definitely think the Charmed Ones would come out with a victory. Dark Willow was super powerful, and would've been the perfect kind of witch for the Charmed Ones to come up against (definitely a better Ultimate Power than Billie & Christie). It would be a very tough battle, and not one that everyone would survive (my guess is that Dark Willow would attack and kill one of their loved ones, their father or Leo for example). This would put the Charmed Ones on the path of victory for they'd have even more of a reason to vanquish this power. With Phoebe's premonitions giving them a huge advantage, Paige's power to orb and Piper's freezing power, they'd secure a win. Her freezing power in season six would've definitely frozen Dark Willow (if even for a few seconds), and then they'd have a potion and a powerful spell to bind her powers forever. I feel like they'd bind rather than vanquish because Willow was a good person who was just corrupted with too much power, and they'd want to restore her to her normal self (although it would take much sisterly debate after losing one of their loved ones). I'm not sure the charmed ones would win against Willow or not if you think about all the things that happened Charmed season 6 with Wyatt turning evil and Piper/Leo splitting plus Phoebe's baby quest and Richard's magic obsession etc. The sisters might've been too distracted with those things and not being focused enough to take Willow on or the fact they may not have viewed her as an innocent in the first place but someone evil who just tried to kill them like they did Christy season 8 or Cole late season 4 without finding out why she was doing that before hand because their moral high standards were lost then and the sisters couldn't distinguish between good and evil then I think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 8:41:57 GMT -5
They basically made Willow a god (which makes her far less interesting IMO), so I say she'd win.
If it had been back around Buffy season 4/5, where Willow was a strong witch and not some absurdly powerful super saiyan woman... I'd say the Power of three, but she'd still give them a good fight.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 18, 2015 8:52:13 GMT -5
If it was dark Willow then Piper could just freeze her and they could throw a potion and vanquish her or whatever, but of we're talking light Willow, end of season 7 ultra powerful then let's face it she could probably wipe them off the face of the earth with a thought. The magic of Charmed, and the magic of Buffy were both very different, with very different portrayals, so if it comes down to fighting expertise, control of magic etc, then Willow probably would end up winning. Let's face it, the power of three was 50% skill, 50% pure luck.
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Post by Deano on Mar 18, 2015 15:49:33 GMT -5
Considering magic is depicting so differently in each universe, Dark Willow and Goddess Piper resembled each other the most. Especially because of the way Xander and Leo 'talked down' their respective witch in similar ways, so they weren't strictly defeated.
However, Willow is obviously still just a witch, so I think the easiest thing to imagine is that she has the power of projection, which puts her on the level of Billie and Wyatt. It would make sense as Tara (and several others) commented on how powerful Willow was and how much potential she had. This is basically how Wyatt (the Twice-Blessed Child) and Billie (the Ultimate Power) were talked about as well. Although, Dark Willow seemed to even surpass Wyatt and Billie, so it's almost impossible to know if the Charmed Ones could beat her. I mean, I don't understand why the COs didn't use the PO3 on the Titans on Billie/Christy. Does that mean those two powers were greater than the Power of Three? In which case, the sisters could use all their powers collectively to disempower Willow, probably unable to kill her. Piper could probably slow her down with her powers, with Paige assisting. Paige could then 'orb in' Phoebe from somewhere else and, if she had her empathy, could force a concussed Willow to feel her grief/human emotions, instead of anger. This would 'bring her back' so to speak.
That's just one scenario though.
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Post by misterchristxpher on Mar 19, 2015 5:39:00 GMT -5
If we're going season six Dark Willow vs. season six Charmed Ones, then I definitely think the Charmed Ones would come out with a victory. Dark Willow was super powerful, and would've been the perfect kind of witch for the Charmed Ones to come up against (definitely a better Ultimate Power than Billie & Christie). It would be a very tough battle, and not one that everyone would survive (my guess is that Dark Willow would attack and kill one of their loved ones, their father or Leo for example). This would put the Charmed Ones on the path of victory for they'd have even more of a reason to vanquish this power. With Phoebe's premonitions giving them a huge advantage, Paige's power to orb and Piper's freezing power, they'd secure a win. Her freezing power in season six would've definitely frozen Dark Willow (if even for a few seconds), and then they'd have a potion and a powerful spell to bind her powers forever. I feel like they'd bind rather than vanquish because Willow was a good person who was just corrupted with too much power, and they'd want to restore her to her normal self (although it would take much sisterly debate after losing one of their loved ones). I'm not sure the charmed ones would win against Willow or not if you think about all the things that happened Charmed season 6 with Wyatt turning evil and Piper/Leo splitting plus Phoebe's baby quest and Richard's magic obsession etc. The sisters might've been too distracted with those things and not being focused enough to take Willow on or the fact they may not have viewed her as an innocent in the first place but someone evil who just tried to kill them like they did Christy season 8 or Cole late season 4 without finding out why she was doing that before hand because their moral high standards were lost then and the sisters couldn't distinguish between good and evil then I think. Oh, I assumed this was a replacement arc for whichever season. I feel like this one would've been far more interesting to watch, although I do love season six. That is true though, they might just try to kill her instead because she was so evil. I think it would depend on if they met when she was still good or not.
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Post by misterchristxpher on Mar 19, 2015 5:39:47 GMT -5
Considering magic is depicting so differently in each universe, Dark Willow and Goddess Piper resembled each other the most. Especially because of the way Xander and Leo 'talked down' their respective witch in similar ways, so they weren't strictly defeated. However, Willow is obviously still just a which, so I think the easiest thing to imagine that she has the power of projection, which puts her on the level of Billie and Wyatt. It would make sense as Tara (and several others) commented on how powerful Willow was and how much potential she had. This is basically how Wyatt (the Twice-Blessed Child) and Billie (the Ultimate Power) were talked about as well. Although, Dark Willow seemed to even surpass Wyatt and Christy, so it's almost impossible to know if the Charmed Ones could beat her. I mean, I don't understand why the COs didn't use the PO3 on the Titans on Billie/Christy. Does that mean those two powers were greater than the Power of Three? In which case, the sisters to use all their powers collectively to disempower Willow, probably unable to kill her. Piper could probably slow her down with her powers, with Paige assisting. Paige could then 'orb in' Phoebe from somewhere else and, if she had her empathy, could force a concussed Willow to feel her grief/human emotions, instead of anger. This would 'bring her back' so to speak. That's just one scenario though. I absolutely love the idea of orbing Phoebe in and using her empathy power to make Willow feel. Really great concept.
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Post by ljones on Mar 19, 2015 9:50:49 GMT -5
The Power of Three could not vanquish the Source alone, let alone the Titans. They needed the collective powers of their ancestors to achieve that goal. And I found it very disturbing that Kern and his writers would allow the Charmed Ones to assume godlike powers in order to destroy the Titans is very disturbing, let alone arrogant.
And why are so many of you are making the same mistake that Constance Burge, Brad Kern and even Joss Whedon have made . . . assuming brute force is the only way to utilize magic? I bet a less powerful witch could find a way to defeat the Halliwells if he or she used their brains. There are other ways, aside from brute force. And that is where Willow Rosenberg is superior to the Halliwells - she was a lot smarter than the sisters. Her problem is that her emotions and arrogance got in the way. Come to think of it, the Halliwells were guilty of the same.
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Post by Deano on Mar 19, 2015 10:52:59 GMT -5
Considering magic is depicting so differently in each universe, Dark Willow and Goddess Piper resembled each other the most. Especially because of the way Xander and Leo 'talked down' their respective witch in similar ways, so they weren't strictly defeated. However, Willow is obviously still just a which, so I think the easiest thing to imagine that she has the power of projection, which puts her on the level of Billie and Wyatt. It would make sense as Tara (and several others) commented on how powerful Willow was and how much potential she had. This is basically how Wyatt (the Twice-Blessed Child) and Billie (the Ultimate Power) were talked about as well. Although, Dark Willow seemed to even surpass Wyatt and Christy, so it's almost impossible to know if the Charmed Ones could beat her. I mean, I don't understand why the COs didn't use the PO3 on the Titans on Billie/Christy. Does that mean those two powers were greater than the Power of Three? In which case, the sisters to use all their powers collectively to disempower Willow, probably unable to kill her. Piper could probably slow her down with her powers, with Paige assisting. Paige could then 'orb in' Phoebe from somewhere else and, if she had her empathy, could force a concussed Willow to feel her grief/human emotions, instead of anger. This would 'bring her back' so to speak. That's just one scenario though. I absolutely love the idea of orbing Phoebe in and using her empathy power to make Willow feel. Really great concept. Thanks. I like the idea of Phoebe being the one to deliver the final blow to Willow, in the least offensive manner, which would prove that brute force doesn't mean ultimate power. Phoebe's powers always had the potential to be the most interesting and versatile, and it's a shame they didn't think up more ways for her to use them.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 19, 2015 11:09:42 GMT -5
I also love this idea, Deano. It's what Paul Ruditis who wrote Season 9 of the comics said was how Phoebe murdered Cal Greene during the Morality Bites future and makes plenty of sense.
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Post by Deano on Mar 19, 2015 11:28:47 GMT -5
I also love this idea, Deano. It's what Paul Ruditis who wrote Season 9 of the comics said was how Phoebe murdered Cal Greene during the Morality Bites future and makes plenty of sense. Thanks, Es. That's pretty much what I had in mind (Cal Greene) and it's a pity Phoebe never really displayed this ability on screen (Morality Bites not included).
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Post by ljones on Mar 19, 2015 21:29:11 GMT -5
[quoteI absolutely love the idea of orbing Phoebe in and using her empathy power to make Willow feel. Really great concept.[/quote]
Xander Harris managed to achieve that without the use of magic.
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