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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 3:20:20 GMT -5
People say that Phoebe barely levitated from Season 5, but the truth is she barely levitated at all. She seemed to be given Levitation in Season 3 as a way to make her more 'active' an in line with her stronger sisters. Yet, I can count on one hand how many times she levitated in Season 3:
3.01. The Honeymoon's Over 3.03. Once Upon a Time 3.07. Power Outage 3.11. Blinded by the Whitelighter
That's only four episodes. I might've missed one or two but, in comparison to telekinesis or freezing, it's pretty poor. Things improved in Season 4 when she levitated in about 9/10 episodes, and of course it basically fell off the radar until it was taken off her in Season 6.
Similarly, Phoebe's premonitions became increasingly a rare occurrence after Season 4.
My question is why just Phoebe powers and nobody else's? I think it especially annoying in Season 3 when Phoebe is given her Levitation power, and then Prue basically steals her thunder with her new telekinetic jumping and leaping, especially in Wrestling With Demons.
And finally, is the suggestion that wire work is too expensive real? Because surely wires were used constantly on the show, with people been thrown about/hit by energy and fire balls.
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Post by isaiah on Nov 24, 2014 19:36:40 GMT -5
I agree its dumb that phoebe didn't get to use her levitation power more but don't forget about empathy with that power she was the strongest sister
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 7:39:53 GMT -5
I agree its dumb that phoebe didn't get to use her levitation power more but don't forget about empathy with that power she was the strongest sister Very true. They should've just retconned the Primrose Empath storyline for Phoebe and made it her permanent power back then, without the need for Levitation.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 25, 2014 14:49:14 GMT -5
I agree its dumb that phoebe didn't get to use her levitation power more but don't forget about empathy with that power she was the strongest sister Very true. They should've just retconned the Primrose Empath storyline for Phoebe and made it her permanent power back then, without the need for Levitation. That would've been good. What type of Empathy would you have had Phoebe had afterwards if she didn't loose it like Prue originally did. The one where her powers were hightened like Prue's were that time or what Phoebe had season 6 onwards and in the comics afterwards?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 18:50:12 GMT -5
Very true. They should've just retconned the Primrose Empath storyline for Phoebe and made it her permanent power back then, without the need for Levitation. That would've been good. What type of Empathy would you have had Phoebe had afterwards if she didn't loose it like Prue originally did. The one where her powers were hightened like Prue's were that time or what Phoebe had season 6 onwards and in the comics afterwards? I'm not really sure, to be honest. I'd probably like a mix. I mean, if was just the 'heightening' version then it would be quite boring for Phoebe as it would just give her stronger premonitions, which is probably why they changed it when she did get it in Season Six. Unless it turned her levitating power into flight, which would be cool. I liked the Valhalla episode when Valkyrie Piper used her TK against Phoebe and she could 'resist' it. I like the idea of her Empathy giving her a stronger physical resistance to magic powers and possibly improving her martial arts skills i.e. making her physical stronger/more agile. I also liked the more lethal part of it that we saw in Morality Bites/the comics which would allow her to emotionally 'overload' people if necessary it's kind of the same thing Prue did to Vinceres, just in a different way. I'm not sure I liked that she could suddenly redirect energy balls in S6, though. What do you think?
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Post by ljones on Nov 25, 2014 21:53:52 GMT -5
I agree its dumb that phoebe didn't get to use her levitation power more but don't forget about empathy with that power she was the strongest sister That was a dumb power. What on earth were the writers thinking? It's one thing to sense the emotions of others. Fine. She could have develop that ability to control the emotions of others. But to use empathy to tap into someone else's magical powers? STUPID!!And why is using magic as brute force the only way for anyone to take it seriously? I swear . . . the Halliwells seemed to view magic as merely a weapon and nothing else. And I find that sad.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 26, 2014 5:24:50 GMT -5
I'm not really sure, to be honest. I'd probably like a mix. I mean, if was just the 'heightening' version then it would be quite boring for Phoebe as it would just give her stronger premonitions, which is probably why they changed it when she did get it in Season Six. Unless it turned her levitating power into flight, which would be cool. I liked the Valhalla episode when Valkyrie Piper used her TK against Phoebe and she could 'resist' it. I like the idea of her Empathy giving her a stronger physical resistance to magic powers and possibly improving her martial arts skills i.e. making her physical stronger/more agile. I also liked the more lethal part of it that we saw in Morality Bites/the comics which would allow her to emotionally 'overload' people if necessary it's kind of the same thing Prue did to Vinceres, just in a different way. I'm not sure I liked that she could suddenly redirect energy balls in S6, though. What do you think? I'd probably have Phoebe's empathy like season 6 onwards so she had an active power although I don't know what level or sub powers she'd have as there's many variations within that power but I do know it would be emotional based and no power channeling or replicating though. Off the top of my head I'd have 5 things Phoebe could do which may include one of three more offensive based powers listed after the main one's below I don't know but the first one's I'd have anyway would be. Reading people's emotions and sensing good/evil if the writers din't expand that using Paige's whitelighter power. Channeling people's emotions but not powers. Projecting her own emotions onto other people so they felt what she did. And healing people's emotional pain like greive for e.g. by absorbing that which would work great with her advice column readers if she met them, her friends and family plus people in general although would be a drain on Phoebe emotionally also depending on the level and so probably wouldn't use that often. Now with the more offensive sub powers which she could use on evil I'm not sure which one's I'd choose or if I'd have them as I wouldn't want Pheobe to be too powerful and still do martial arts but anyway they could be either. Learning to shield people's emotions through herself and other people instead of a spell or potion which would work great against mind based attacks although would be the weaker option of 3. Overloading people's emotions like in the comics. Or manipulating people's emotions so Phoebe could make them feel something else like Emma De Lauro did in Mutant X.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 7:50:02 GMT -5
I'm not really sure, to be honest. I'd probably like a mix. I mean, if was just the 'heightening' version then it would be quite boring for Phoebe as it would just give her stronger premonitions, which is probably why they changed it when she did get it in Season Six. Unless it turned her levitating power into flight, which would be cool. I liked the Valhalla episode when Valkyrie Piper used her TK against Phoebe and she could 'resist' it. I like the idea of her Empathy giving her a stronger physical resistance to magic powers and possibly improving her martial arts skills i.e. making her physical stronger/more agile. I also liked the more lethal part of it that we saw in Morality Bites/the comics which would allow her to emotionally 'overload' people if necessary it's kind of the same thing Prue did to Vinceres, just in a different way. I'm not sure I liked that she could suddenly redirect energy balls in S6, though. What do you think? I'd probably have Phoebe's empathy like season 6 onwards so she had an active power although I don't know what level or sub powers she'd have as there's many variations within that power but I do know it would be emotional based and no power channeling or replicating though. Off the top of my head I'd have 5 things Phoebe could do which may include one of three more offensive based powers listed after the main one's below I don't know but the first one's I'd have anyway would be. Reading people's emotions and sensing good/evil if the writers din't expand that using Paige's whitelighter power. Channeling people's emotions but not powers. Projecting her own emotions onto other people so they felt what she did. And healing people's emotional pain like greive for e.g. by absorbing that which would work great with her advice column readers if she met them, her friends and family plus people in general although would be a drain on Phoebe emotionally also depending on the level and so probably wouldn't use that often. Now with the more offensive sub powers which she could use on evil I'm not sure which one's I'd choose or if I'd have them as I wouldn't want Pheobe to be too powerful and still do martial arts but anyway they could be either. Learning to shield people's emotions through herself and other people instead of a spell or potion which would work great against mind based attacks although would be the weaker option of 3. Overloading people's emotions like in the comics. Or manipulating people's emotions so Phoebe could make them feel something else like Emma De Lauro did in Mutant X. Yeah I like the healing aspect of Empathy. I'd have liked Phoebe to have a more hands on job, so she could actually use her empathy to heal people in distress. Sitting behind a desk doing her advice column really limited her character, just like making Paige permanently jobless limited her character. I also find it perfectly feasible that Empaths can channel/manipulate powers as emotions are the very source of magical powers in the Charmedverse. What I don't really like is Phoebe being able to fire back energy balls as if she has TK. I mean how could she realistically access the demon's emotion, tap into it and the manipulate the power all in the same time it would take them to throw the energy ball at her? That's why I prefer her having some sort of high resistance/immunity to powers as she could effectively neutralise them - if she was quick enough to access that power of course.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 26, 2014 16:46:37 GMT -5
I also find it perfectly feasible that Empaths can channel/manipulate powers as emotions are the very source of magical powers in the Charmedverse. What I don't really like is Phoebe being able to fire back energy balls as if she has TK. I mean how could she realistically access the demon's emotion, tap into it and the manipulate the power all in the same time it would take them to throw the energy ball at her? So would you mind if Phoebe channelled powers like she could originally when demons threw energy balls at her but just not replicated that herself afterwards then? That's why I prefer her having some sort of high resistance/immunity to powers as she could effectively neutralise them - if she was quick enough to access that power of course. Like when she resisted Valkyrie Piper's telekinesis a couple of times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 12:43:20 GMT -5
So would you mind if Phoebe channelled powers like she could originally when demons threw energy balls at her but just not replicated that herself afterwards then? I wouldn't mind if it was every so often, instead of all the time. I mean she didn't really have Empathy long enough for it to become annoying, but like I mentioned earlier I would find it stupid that she could tap into an energy ball and redirect before the demon had thrown it at her, it seems all a bit to quick. That's why I'd prefer if it was a rare thing she did. Either that or she could sort of 'bounce back' powers, almost as if her body was a deflection. So say she was hit by an energy ball, she could 'absorb' it and throw it back, but only once, she wouldn't be able to keep or replicate the power properly, just sort of momentarily frisbee it back. Or it would be either easier if she just had a high resistance to energy/fireballs. So, whilst they would sent her sisters flying/scald them she would just be pushed back a bit. I wouldn't mind any of these, to be honest, just not all of the as that would make her a boring Super Witch like Piper. Yeah, exactly like that. Except it annoyed me that she could 'resist' Piper's TK but then could suddenly tap into it and use it against her as well. Like I said up above, I feel that's too much free reign for one power.
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Post by Nimue on Nov 27, 2014 13:02:14 GMT -5
Except that it really doesn't make sense for Empathy: Empathy is a power that lets you experience whatever emotion a particular person is feeling at a certain time. So why should they suddenly be able to channel a witch or demon's power? That has nothing to do with Empathy, maybe Telepathy, but certainly not Empathy. And it didn't make sense for Phoebe to get it, either, seeing as how she wasn't a particularly compassionate person at that time. Had she gotten it during Season 1 or 2 when she still cared about innocents, then yes, it would make sense. Because in my opinion, people who get Empathy should be people who are naturally very compassionate and who really want to help out others, more so than the average person, like Maggie Murphy from Season 2. She would have made a wonderful Empath.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 13:12:42 GMT -5
Except that it really doesn't make sense for Empathy: Empathy is a power that lets you experience whatever emotion a particular person is feeling at a certain time. So why should they suddenly be able to channel a witch or demon's power? That has nothing to do with Empathy, maybe Telepathy, but certainly not Empathy. And it didn't make sense for Phoebe to get it, either, seeing as how she wasn't a particularly compassionate person at that time. Had she gotten it during Season 1 or 2 when she still cared about innocents, then yes, it would make sense. Because in my opinion, people who get Empathy should be people who are naturally very compassionate and who really want to help out others, more so than the average person, like Maggie Murphy from Season 2. She would have made a wonderful Empath. Because powers come from people's emotions in the Charmedverse, so it makes complete sense that being able to access emotions would allow access to the person's powers. Channelling powers from reading people's thoughts (Telepathy) makes less sense than Empathy does. I agree with you about Phoebe getting the power though, she was at her least compassionate in Season 5/6.
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Post by Nimue on Nov 27, 2014 13:15:34 GMT -5
I still don't agree with you, but never mind, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 16:18:35 GMT -5
I still don't agree with you, but never mind, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I just can't see why Telepathy would allow access to others' powers where Empathy wouldn't? But it's fine, debates over these things are always a good thing.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 27, 2014 17:33:59 GMT -5
I still don't agree with you, but never mind, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I just can't see why Telepathy would allow access to others' powers where Empathy wouldn't? But it's fine, debates over these things are always a good thing. That always got me to especially with the boy Zachary from season 6 'The Legend Of Sleepy Halliwell' who didn't like magic school and supposidly channelled other people's powers using telepathy which I didn't get when I first watched the episode as I always thought that power was reading people's thoughts and communicating with them subconciously. Now had someone given an explaination there as to how he did that like casting a spell or using a potion which allowed him to do that if you could do it that is then I would've said oh okay I accept that then but as it was there wasn't so I'd go with the fact for now that you can't channel powers via telepathy but then everyone has their own on what they think of that subjeft which's okay.
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Post by ljones on Nov 28, 2014 3:55:48 GMT -5
Really? I find that hard to believe. In fact, according to Season Two's "Astral Monkey", the source of their magic is in their bloodline. In fact, this theory is supported by the sisters inheriting magical abilities from past ancestors.
I can see emotions affecting an individual's abilities, but being the source? I don't think so.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 28, 2014 4:40:02 GMT -5
Really? I find that hard to believe. In fact, according to Season Two's "Astral Monkey", the source of their magic is in their bloodline. In fact, this theory is supported by the sisters inheriting magical abilities from past ancestors. I can see emotions affecting an individual's abilities, but being the source? I don't think so. The trouble with Charmed is once a concept was introduced on the show like mentioning witches powers came from their emotions it soon changed to it coming from their blood expecting us viewers to just accept that at a moments notice before going back to their emotions without mentioning the blood thing again making it confusing as to what the real message about that was really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 14:47:58 GMT -5
Really? I find that hard to believe. In fact, according to Season Two's "Astral Monkey", the source of their magic is in their bloodline. In fact, this theory is supported by the sisters inheriting magical abilities from past ancestors. I can see emotions affecting an individual's abilities, but being the source? I don't think so. Their inherent magical ability/being a witch, that witch allows them to brew potions, cast spells and scry is inherited from their family. Obvious their powers come from Melinda so are also inherited, but they are actually stimulated by the individual's emotions/force of will. Leo said in AM that the sisters' casting of the Awakening Spell "changed everything", so presumably their powers were not necessarily present in their blood beforehand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 14:54:06 GMT -5
I just can't see why Telepathy would allow access to others' powers where Empathy wouldn't? But it's fine, debates over these things are always a good thing. That always got me to especially with the boy Zachary from season 6 'The Legend Of Sleepy Halliwell' who didn't like magic school and supposidly channelled other people's powers using telepathy which I didn't get when I first watched the episode as I always thought that power was reading people's thoughts and communicating with them subconciously. Now had someone given an explaination there as to how he did that like casting a spell or using a potion which allowed him to do that if you could do it that is then I would've said oh okay I accept that then but as it was there wasn't so I'd go with the fact for now that you can't channel powers via telepathy but then everyone has their own on what they think of that subjeft which's okay. The only reason it wasn't revealed that Zachary could channel powers straightaway was because he was hiding the fact that he had unleashed the Horseman. I think we can asumme he was an extremely powerful telepath who could go as far as tap into others powers. Christy did something similar when she 'channelled' the PO3 when the sisters were saying a spell. But, yeah, it's pretty shoddy mythology and has only been shown this way twice at most.
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Post by isaiah on Nov 30, 2014 1:14:27 GMT -5
Very true. They should've just retconned the Primrose Empath storyline for Phoebe and made it her permanent power back then, without the need for Levitation. That would've been good. What type of Empathy would you have had Phoebe had afterwards if she didn't loose it like Prue originally did. The one where her powers were hightened like Prue's were that time or what Phoebe had season 6 onwards and in the comics afterwards? i be cool for her to channel the power to send it back and or copy their powers and if its a super boost like prue then she could fly like in the comics or know everything berfore it happens
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