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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 14:38:09 GMT -5
Just a random curiosity of mine. Obviously the sisters aren't really religious but I think there's been a few hints as to the family's religious background:
1. The priest in IGYUMS refers to Piper attending Sunday School/Bible classes. Also, Piper fearing being struck by lightning seems more like a Catholic's fear, rather than a Protestant's (no offence intended).
2. Brendan was ordained as a priest. Similarly, Andy mentioned he had a Communion.
3. Paige was found in a church by a nun.
4. Piper can be seen wearing cross necklaces every now and then.
5. Also, there's the symbolism of the PO3 - Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Either that or it is simply TV Christianity with no real thought to a specific denomination.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 28, 2014 14:54:44 GMT -5
First I should point out that I *am* a Catholic, probably why I noticed these differences.
If Piper wears a cross and not a crucifix, that makes her a Protestant - Catholics would wear crucifixes. Also, Piper talks to "Pastor Williams". If she was talking to a priest, it would be "Father Williams".
Also, Catholics don't have Sunday school nor do they study the Bible - one of the main reason why Martin Luthor split from Catholicism. I had "catechism" on Saturdays.
I think they made Brendan a priest because of the chastity rule - Prue would never be able to marry him if he became a priest.
Three is a magical number in Wicca (the child, the woman and the crone) - it has nothing to do with the Catholic trinity - if anything, that's probably the reason why the trinity did come to be, except, of course, the Judeo-Christians made it male. This is also the reason why I don't think there would ever be such a thing as a power of four.
So I think the sisters were raised Protestants (not sure which sect - I don't know the differences enough to know) so they wouldn't find out about their powers too soon - after all, their grandmother is a Wiccan High Priestess. The other possibility is if Victor was a Protestant and insisted the girls be raised that way - after all, the only time we saw Christmas was with Victor.
The one who should've been raised Catholic was Paige - if she was given to a nun as a baby, more likely a Catholic couple would've adopted her. Having a female pastor preside at her wedding made no sense to me, unless she was Henry's pastor.
Oh, as far as Paige being given to a nun - Catholics sponsor orphanages much more than Protestants do. It was just a place where Paige would be safe and had nothing to do with which religion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 9:44:05 GMT -5
First I should point out that I *am* a Catholic, probably why I noticed these differences. If Piper wears a cross and not a crucifix, that makes her a Protestant - Catholics would wear crucifixes. Also, Piper talks to "Pastor Williams". If she was talking to a priest, it would be "Father Williams". Also, Catholics don't have Sunday school nor do they study the Bible - one of the main reason why Martin Luthor split from Catholicism. I had "catechism" on Saturdays. I think they made Brendan a priest because of the chastity rule - Prue would never be able to marry him if he became a priest. Three is a magical number in Wicca (the child, the woman and the crone) - it has nothing to do with the Catholic trinity - if anything, that's probably the reason why the trinity did come to be, except, of course, the Judeo-Christians made it male. This is also the reason why I don't think there would ever be such a thing as a power of four. So I think the sisters were raised Protestants (not sure which sect - I don't know the differences enough to know) so they wouldn't find out about their powers too soon - after all, their grandmother is a Wiccan High Priestess. The other possibility is if Victor was a Protestant and insisted the girls be raised that way - after all, the only time we saw Christmas was with Victor. The one who should've been raised Catholic was Paige - if she was given to a nun as a baby, more likely a Catholic couple would've adopted her. Having a female pastor preside at her wedding made no sense to me, unless she was Henry's pastor. Oh, as far as Paige being given to a nun - Catholics sponsor orphanages much more than Protestants do. It was just a place where Paige would be safe and had nothing to do with which religion. Haha, you're probably cringing at my non-Catholic observations then, Es! Call me stupid, but would actually wear a crucifix necklace in everyday life. I'm just a fairweather Protestant so I genuinely don't know. I didn't know about the Sunday School thing either. I'm wondering if they're meant to be Anglian (basically Episcopalian), the English version of Protestantism, which is slightly 'more Catholic' than other Protestant demoninations. Paige getting found by a nun is a big head stratcher though, unless of course Patty and Sam just dumped her in the nearest church without much time to think what denomination it was, like you said. I never considered that. All in all, it's probably just one of many inconsistencies.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 4, 2014 9:59:59 GMT -5
Oh, man, is your memory bad! Patty and Sam gave Paige to Sister Agnes (bolding mine): And again, Catholics sponsor orphanages, so I'm sure that's why they chose a nun to give her to. You might be right about Angelican, but Lutheran is also a possibility and so is Methodist. I go to their church services and I can almost pretend I'm at a Catholic mass. (And, oops, just realized I spelled Martin Luther's name wrong - my Lutheran friends would shoot me!). Baptists and Presbyterians services, on the other hand, don't feel like Catholic Masses at all. Those are the only ones I've visited, so they're the only ones I can comment on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 12:53:19 GMT -5
Oh, man, is your memory bad! Patty and Sam gave Paige to Sister Agnes (bolding mine): And again, Catholics sponsor orphanages, so I'm sure that's why they chose a nun to give her to. You might be right about Angelican, but Lutheran is also a possibility and so is Methodist. I go to their church services and I can almost pretend I'm at a Catholic mass. (And, oops, just realized I spelled Martin Luther's name wrong - my Lutheran friends would shoot me!). Baptists and Presbyterians services, on the other hand, don't feel like Catholic Masses at all. Those are the only ones I've visited, so they're the only ones I can comment on. I remember that. Give me some credit Es! Lol! I know they wouldn't have literally dumped her I just meant they may not have put a lot of thought into the type of church they took her to. Although your orphanage theory makes much more sense. Yeah I think my old church was Presbyterian - ish lol! Anyway they're completely different to Catholics.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 4, 2014 13:29:34 GMT -5
Okay, my bad - when you said "dump her", I thought you meant dumped her in the church, rather than not thinking denominations. Of course being Catholic I wouldn't know about others, but in all the movies I've seen I can't once remember an orphanage that wasn't either run by nuns (my grandfather grew up in such an orphanage..) or one run by the state.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 14:14:57 GMT -5
Okay, my bad - when you said "dump her", I thought you meant dumped her in the church, rather than not thinking denominations. Of course being Catholic I wouldn't know about others, but in all the movies I've seen I can't once remember an orphanage that wasn't either run by nuns (my grandfather grew up in such an orphanage..) or one run by the state. Haha no worries, I was just winding you up I think you're right now that I think of it, most orphanages are charity/church run. I guess I just assumed Paige would would've gone into a foster home or something.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 4, 2014 14:46:57 GMT -5
Yeah, but who would've put her into it??? (My turn to wind YOU up!)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 14:20:36 GMT -5
Yeah, but who would've put her into it??? (My turn to wind YOU up!) Oh God knows (no pun intended) . Touché Es, I can't argue with that one!
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 5, 2014 16:12:06 GMT -5
Yeah, but who would've put her into it??? (My turn to wind YOU up!) Oh God knows (no pun intended) . Touché Es, I can't argue with that one! Hehehehe!
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Dec 5, 2014 18:59:37 GMT -5
Just a random curiosity of mine. Obviously the sisters aren't really religious but I think there's been a few hints as to the family's religious background: 1. The priest in IGYUMS refers to Piper attending Sunday School/Bible classes. Also, Piper fearing being struck by lightning seems more like a Catholic's fear, rather than a Protestant's (no offence intended). 2. Brendan was ordained as a priest. Similarly, Andy mentioned he had a Communion. 3. Paige was found in a church by a nun. 4. Piper can be seen wearing cross necklaces every now and then. 5. Also, there's the symbolism of the PO3 - Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Either that or it is simply TV Christianity with no real thought to a specific denomination. Any thoughts? I know Es already answered most of these, so I'm only going to reply to the ones she didn't or I have a different or additional opinion on. 1) I grew up going to Sunday School and Wednesday Night Bible Classes. I am definitely not Catholic. I cannot comment on the lightening comment, but I do know that in the Old Testament witches were to be killed. Although I don't think that was brought up directly in the New Testament, I don't think it changed. Off the top of my head the closest I can come up with is Simon the Sorcerer who converted to Christianity, but had a lot to learn. 2) Es covered Brandon. As to Andy, he probably was at least brought up Catholic. There was no reason he had to grow up believing the same things as the Halliwell sisters just so they could be friends (and more in the case of him and Prue). Although due to his relationship with Prue and the fact that their beliefs never were mentioned in conversations between them, I would guess that he probably wasn't practicing, but that could be me thinking that it should be a really important issue between couples if either or both of them are serious in their beliefs. 4) I wear a cross necklace from time to time (along with various other necklaces). I also used to have a small cross that I put in the base of my little lamp (it fell out and I don't know what happened to it). Es makes a good point about cross verses crucifix. 5) Es pointed out that as far as the show goes this had to do with wiccan, not Christianity in any form. I do disagree with the idea that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit has anything to do with wiccan beliefs, but since I think saying more on that is likely to go crazy off topic, I think I will leave it at that.
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