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Post by cyma on Feb 19, 2015 14:12:55 GMT -5
We saw that even after Paige got her act together became a social worker and practiced to be a witch, she was still haunted by her parents' deaths and car accidents. And she was almost frozen still when she saw one in Paige from the Past. But she moved on at the end of the episode after finally understanding. So similarly, do you think Piper has actually moved on?
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 19, 2015 14:26:55 GMT -5
Unless something happens like in the comics, I would say that she never did, because if she did she would've gotten to see Prue's ghost and she never did.
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Post by adzpower on Feb 20, 2015 11:51:43 GMT -5
Piper has moved on in the sense that she can get by without Prue now, she's had other people to fill that void - Paige, Billie, her kids etc. However she'd known Prue her whole life, they lived together a lot of the time and had really bonded as sisters even by the time Season 1 began. I'd say that Piper will always be sad that Prue - her best friend had died, how could she not? But I think that by the end of the series she had moved on from Prue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 17:19:19 GMT -5
Depends what you call moving on. She carried on living and fighting sure, but she became harsher, far more cynical and angry a large amount of the time. I always took Piper's internal rage as something that came from living in a world that took away her mom, her Grams and then even her big sister. Good for wasting demons? Seems like it. But damn, if that woman doesn't end up with a stomach ulcer (or 20) one day, she really is magical!
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Post by cyma on Feb 21, 2015 2:00:59 GMT -5
But damn, if that woman doesn't end up with a stomach ulcer (or 20) one day, she really is magical!
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Post by ljones on Feb 21, 2015 13:17:53 GMT -5
Piper has moved on in the sense that she can get by without Prue now, she's had other people to fill that void - Paige, Billie, her kids etc. However she'd known Prue her whole life, they lived together a lot of the time and had really bonded as sisters even by the time Season 1 began. I'd say that Piper will always be sad that Prue - her best friend had died, how could she not? But I think that by the end of the series she had moved on from Prue. It's strange that Piper would regard Prue as her "best friend", but not Phoebe. Or that she couldn't regard Paige as a new "best friend".
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Post by Nimue on Feb 21, 2015 13:25:35 GMT -5
Piper has moved on in the sense that she can get by without Prue now, she's had other people to fill that void - Paige, Billie, her kids etc. However she'd known Prue her whole life, they lived together a lot of the time and had really bonded as sisters even by the time Season 1 began. I'd say that Piper will always be sad that Prue - her best friend had died, how could she not? But I think that by the end of the series she had moved on from Prue. It's strange that Piper would regard Prue as her "best friend", but not Phoebe. Or that she couldn't regard Paige as a new "best friend". Maybe she and Prue just had more in common?
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Post by adzpower on Feb 22, 2015 5:06:56 GMT -5
Piper has moved on in the sense that she can get by without Prue now, she's had other people to fill that void - Paige, Billie, her kids etc. However she'd known Prue her whole life, they lived together a lot of the time and had really bonded as sisters even by the time Season 1 began. I'd say that Piper will always be sad that Prue - her best friend had died, how could she not? But I think that by the end of the series she had moved on from Prue. It's strange that Piper would regard Prue as her "best friend", but not Phoebe. Or that she couldn't regard Paige as a new "best friend". I think its because Piper and Prue loved together before the whole power of three thing, not to mention Phoebe was always the rebellious one growing up, I imagine this alienated her from Prue and Piper. And I don't think Paige is her new best friend, I just think that Paige filled that void of a sister that Prue left. If you remember throughout the first half of season 4 Piper was hesitant to accept Paige because she didn't want to let another sister in just to lose her.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 6:25:49 GMT -5
Didn't Piper live with Prue her whole life? I'm just thinking, maybe since Patty died so young, Victor left, Grams was ill and Phoebe moved to New York, Piper saw Prue as the one bit of support she could always rely on being there. That'd kind of fit in with the "How dare you leave me" stuff we saw in Hell Hath No Fury.
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Post by jlenoconel on Feb 28, 2015 0:01:00 GMT -5
We saw that even after Paige got her act together became a social worker and practiced to be a witch, she was still haunted by her parents' deaths and car accidents. And she was almost frozen still when she saw one in Paige from the Past. But she moved on at the end of the episode after finally understanding. So similarly, do you think Piper has actually moved on? Piper moved on from Prue's death in the sense that most of the characters couldn't talk about Prue's character anymore as the producers probably would have had to pay Shannen Doherty every time Prue's name was mentioned. Shannen owned the rights to Prue, and that's why you never, ever hardly heard her mentioned.
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Post by ljones on Feb 28, 2015 5:06:05 GMT -5
I think Piper had depended upon Prue just a little too much. Which might be a reason she had such difficulty in dealing with Prue's death.
I cannot help but wonder if Phoebe's personality reminded Grams and Prue of Victor just a little too much. Is it possible their attitude toward Phoebe had developed the latter's insecure personality?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 3:07:17 GMT -5
Piper has moved on in the sense that she can get by without Prue now, she's had other people to fill that void - Paige, Billie, her kids etc. However she'd known Prue her whole life, they lived together a lot of the time and had really bonded as sisters even by the time Season 1 began. I'd say that Piper will always be sad that Prue - her best friend had died, how could she not? But I think that by the end of the series she had moved on from Prue. I agree with this. I also think that it's something you probably never get over. To have everyone that came before your die or leave, Victor, then Patty, then Grams and your then the closest "friend" and older sister who 'sacrificed her own life, to raise' her and Phoebe - that's probably something you think about once at least everyday! In 'Forever Charmed' when they finally get Leo back, Patty goes onto to say something like "I almost don't want to remember...especially what happened to Prue...Victor told me." - Piper interrupts and shakes her head in a reassurance kind of motion and says "Oh... Mom". Before Patty goes on to finish with 'Its ok...I know that everything happens for a reason... I also know that when one door closes, another one opens' I wonder what Piper was going to say? I also think an even more interesting question would be whether Phoebe felt responsible for Prue's death and why she very rarely showed emotion around the topic of losing her. Do you think she was closer to Paige than to Prue?
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Post by adzpower on Mar 3, 2015 4:36:04 GMT -5
Piper has moved on in the sense that she can get by without Prue now, she's had other people to fill that void - Paige, Billie, her kids etc. However she'd known Prue her whole life, they lived together a lot of the time and had really bonded as sisters even by the time Season 1 began. I'd say that Piper will always be sad that Prue - her best friend had died, how could she not? But I think that by the end of the series she had moved on from Prue. I agree with this. I also think that it's something you probably never get over. To have everyone that came before your die or leave, Victor, then Patty, then Grams and your then the closest "friend" and older sister who 'sacrificed her own life, to raise' her and Phoebe - that's probably something you think about once at least everyday! In 'Forever Charmed' when they finally get Leo back, Patty goes onto to say something like "I almost don't want to remember...especially what happened to Prue...Victor told me." - Piper interrupts and shakes her head in a reassurance kind of motion and says "Oh... Mom". Before Patty goes on to finish with 'Its ok...I know that everything happens for a reason... I also know that when one door closes, another one opens' I wonder what Piper was going to say? I also think an even more interesting question would be whether Phoebe felt responsible for Prue's death and why she very rarely showed emotion around the topic of losing her. Do you think she was closer to Paige than to Prue? I want to say yes, I feel like when Prue was alive it was her and Piper as a duo. And when Paige came into the mix Phoebe accepted her very quickly as opposed to Piper, they bonded faster, and you can see it in later seasons like 6 and 7 that Phoebe and Paige make quite the duo a lot of the time. I think that Phoebe was ready to accept a new sister, possibly to try and make up for the mistake she made in All Hell Breaks Loose, if she felt responsible for Prue dying, then helping Paige in her mind may have gone some way to start making up for her decisions.
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Post by ljones on Mar 4, 2015 21:58:39 GMT -5
So . . . if Piper and Prue were a duo when the latter was alive, what was Phoebe? A third wheel?
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Post by adzpower on Mar 5, 2015 4:46:47 GMT -5
So . . . if Piper and Prue were a duo when the latter was alive, what was Phoebe? A third wheel? Essentially. Yes.
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Post by ljones on Mar 6, 2015 1:27:02 GMT -5
So . . . if Piper and Prue were a duo when the latter was alive, what was Phoebe? A third wheel? Essentially. Yes. Jesus! No wonder Phoebe ended up being screwy! Especially after being raised with sisters who treated her as an outsider. And her real crime was that they viewed her as too much like their dad.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 6, 2015 14:31:46 GMT -5
Jesus! No wonder Phoebe ended up being screwy! Especially after being raised with sisters who treated her as an outsider. And her real crime was that they viewed her as too much like their dad. Its funny you say that though because what happened after Grams died? Phoebe left, she didn't want to deal with what had happened between her and Roger/Prue and Grams' death, so she did what her dad did, and left. So I feel like maybe part of the reason she couldn't bond with Prue and Piper as much is because she thought like her dad, and Prue was always anti-Victor.
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Post by meganhalliwell on Jun 9, 2015 18:03:55 GMT -5
I think it was just a terrible underwhelming reaction on the writers' part in terms of Phoebe's grief for Prue. A lot of people don't agree with my particular opinion on this - the line 'but you hated me' from Prue to Phoebe in the comics REALLY bothered me. Phoebe NEVER hated Prue. It was so, so obvious all through the first three seasons that Phoebe absolutely adored both of her sisters. And that line would have KILLED Phoebe to hear that from Prue! For instance where Barbas almost succeeded in literally 'terrifying her to death' by almost killing Prue - then when the genie killed Prue in the season 2 finale - Phoebe was BESIDE herself, I would say even more so than Piper. It was just that the writers and producers had a very clear view of how they wanted the 'new' charmed to be - Fire Shannen, write Prue out quickly and efficiently, make Piper the leader and glorify Paige. Phoebe was no part in that. They showed a few years at the funeral, and her small breakdown over Prue's jacket, just because like, they HAD to show her having SOME feelings over the death of her sister - but Piper's more human and more true to life reaction was simply written in because she was the 'new oldest' and had to grieve her life as middle sister so as to evolve to big sister. The Piper scenes in Hell Hath No Fury that Us Prue fans treasure so much for the Piper/Prue relationship wasn't Piper grieving Prue - it was the new writers' 'selfish' Piper grieving having a leader. Pfffft. After that, after season 4, Prue is just.. Almost Gone from existence. The big sister that raised them from when she saw their mother dead at eight years old, then died before doing any of the things they went on to do while behaving like she was never there - is just gone. It still makes me angry to think about how they handled it because to me it just feels like such disrespect toward such a wonderful and loved character! How dare Brad kern step in and do that to Prue? Do that to the character that we all grew to know and love so much...
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Post by ljones on Jun 9, 2015 22:48:28 GMT -5
I don't think Paige was ever glorified. In fact, the writers managed to slowly come close to ruining her character.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 10, 2015 14:52:05 GMT -5
I don't think Piper ever truly accepted Prue's death but learned to cope without her and tried getting on with Paige so they could vanquish the Source then which happened too early for my liking because the new P03 didn't have the same sisterly bond as the original ones did etc.
That doesn't mean Piper never loved Paige though just that she didn't do so in the same way she did Prue because she never grew up with her in the first place which would change years on done the line obviously.
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