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Post by isaiah on Mar 28, 2015 0:18:58 GMT -5
In season 5 of buffy the vampire slayer there is a hell goddess. Named glorificus with the power of super strength, and super speed, energy absorption. So i was thinking if she got into a fight with the charmed ones this is how it would go. Piper freezes her or distracts her with trying to blow her up or paige could orb her heart out or call prue to fling her in oblivion or phoebe could write a power of three spell to kill her. But that just.me what about you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 18:28:44 GMT -5
Glory wasn't nearly as tough against magic, so yeah I think the Charmed Ones could give her a run for her money. Piper's explosion power would probably do some damage if she kept firing and I think Phoebe could really mess her head up with some offensive empathy. Or Paige could just orb her in mid air like Willow did with a teleportation spell that one episode
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Post by adzpower on Mar 29, 2015 5:09:47 GMT -5
See I disagree, I think Glory would wipe the floor with them, she's not just some upper level demon, she's a God, their powers probably wouldn't even work against her. Even Buffy with all her super strength and skill got beaten to high hell a few times before finally beating Glory, none of the Charmed Ones have that level of fighting skill or the slayer strength. Piper's explosion power probably wouldn't even faze Glory, no way she'd freeze either, I'm guessing Phoebe wouldn't be able to empath Glory's power because it'd be too much for her to handle. The only one who'd stand a chance would be Paige, who could orb her into the atmosphere or something to that effect. Truthfully the only way they'd stand any chance against a God is if they became Gods again themselves. And even then they didn't have the same brute strength that Glory had.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 11:11:46 GMT -5
I would be inclined to agree that their powers wouldn't work on Glory but, saying that, Willow, a witch, could use her powers against her, Fair enough, they weren't brilliantly effective, but they slowed her down a bit. I would think Piper could at least do the same with her exploding power.
But yeah, Phoebe wouldn't stand a chance against her in combat, unless she actually remembered her levitation power, which could give her a slight advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 17:32:48 GMT -5
The Charmed Ones knocked out Neena who was essentially a God... not officially, but power wise. I believe Phoebe's empathy would at least slow Glory down dramatically, because Glory's mental state was always on major shaky ground anyway. When Willow slowed her down by getting into her head and restoring Tara, that gave Buffy the opportunity to really go for her. If Phoebe did something similar, I believe Piper and Paige could go on the offensive and do some serious damage.
Plus we're forgetting one thing that makes Charmed witches very different from Buffy witches. The sisters can make up their own spells for just about anything. If they created a spell to force Glory into Ben's form, she'd be toast.
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Post by Astral Vision on Mar 30, 2015 3:18:57 GMT -5
If they created a spell to force Glory into Ben's form, she'd be toast. The first time they force Glory into Ben's form though would be when Paige recognises him as having the same soul as the Prince who her past life had enchanted. This would probably delay the vanquish a little as I don't think Paige would want to vanquish Ben/the Prince. Also, in general, wouldn't the Charmed Ones have a problem with vanquishing a mortal who never even chose to share his body with Glory? Ben technically is an innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 6:02:28 GMT -5
Well I'm not taking the actor into account. Phoebe watched Sex and the City and Buffy, she didn't recognise Dex as Smith Jarred or Kyra as Cordelia Chase etc.
Ben summoned a demon to slaughter several psychiatric patients and only needed to have one conversation with Glory before he was willing to bleed Dawn dry for his benefit. I personally don't think he's innocent at all. No more so than Rick Gittridge, Gideon or Dr. Nicholson anyway.
Ultimately, Ben was Glory's biggest weakness and we're not talking about an average demon here, we're talking about a sadistic God of torture, death and chaos.
Also, what many people seem to forget is: the same way killing Ben would kill Glory, killing Glory would kill Ben. You may feel better doing it while Glory is in control, but you're still killing him by killing her, there's no way around that. If that stops you, then you'll never stop Glory... harsh but true. And Giles knew that.
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Post by ljones on Mar 30, 2015 15:37:37 GMT -5
Glory was "defeated" when Buffy used a special troll hammer against her. Repeatedly. Even then, Buffy didn't kill her. Glory was killed when she uncontrollably transformed into her human counterpart - Ben - before Rupert Giles smothered the latter with his bare hands.
Unless the Charmed Ones can get hold of that hammer and wield it (good luck on that one), they wouldn't have a hope in hell. Maybe they can temporarily hurt Glory, like Willow did.
Still trying to justify Rick Gittridge and Gideon's murders?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:41:28 GMT -5
Glory was "defeated" when Buffy used a special troll hammer against her. Repeatedly. Even then, Buffy didn't kill her. Glory was killed when she uncontrollably transformed into her human counterpart - Ben - before Rupert Giles smothered the latter with his bare hands. Prior to the battle, the Scoobies discussed how they would kill Glory, only when Xander mentions killing Ben do they have a problem with that, despite both having the exact same result. As Giles said, Glory would come back eventually. I know I'm supposed to feel bad, but I guess I'm evil, because honestly: the death of one murderous human to stop a hell God destroying the world? I'm not going to look down on Giles too much. And let's not forget, oh so merciful Buffy stabbed Faith in the gut when she went after Angel. She may have survived it, but Buffy had every intention of killing her. So I guess her "no mortal kills" policy doesn't go out of the window when the world is at risk, but it does when her boyfriend is. Still trying to justify Rick Gittridge and Gideon's murders? Have we spoken about that before? Because I don't recall ever doing so. No, not justifying it. But since the Charmed Ones have no trouble with the deaths of those three, do I think they would have huge moral issues eating away at them for killing the alter ego of a hell god? Nope. At least in this case the world would presumably be at stake...perhaps not a justification, but it's a damn better excuse than they had for any of the above. I was asked if I think the sisters would have a problem with it. Based on the past examples I've mentioned- no, no I don't. I could say "No, the sisters would never kill a mortal under any circumstances, they'd be racked with guilt forever", but then I wouldn't believe my own comment. Fact is, they have killed mortals and they'd have far more reason to kill Ben than they had for any of the others. Never said it'd make the sisters great people, but then I'm not pretending they're great people in the first place. And I stand by what I said before. Beat Glory to a bloody pulp, you're beating Ben to a bloody pulp. Kill her, you kill him and so on. If Glory driving at the time makes the Scoobies feel better about the consequences to Ben, okay I can understand that, but it's still a rationalisation if they view Ben as an innocent.
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Post by ljones on Apr 6, 2015 23:26:47 GMT -5
Was Ben "murderous" when he transformed into Glory?
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Apr 7, 2015 10:41:04 GMT -5
If I've got my information right, then yeah, he was. He was willing to kill perfectly innocent people to cover his tracks as well as Glory's out of self-preservation. If you're getting at the idea of separating him from her, he's never entertained the thought, in fact she was the only one even trying to do so—in a way that would essentially cause Hell on Earth.
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