cyma
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Post by cyma on May 2, 2015 14:26:40 GMT -5
How was he able to channel Piper's powers and freeze the room with good witches in Legend of Sleepy Halliwell when Piper couldn't even freeze Bianca or Chris in Chris-Crossed because they were witches?
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Post by forbuss on May 2, 2015 15:01:18 GMT -5
Hmm.. Interesting. The sisters were able to use their powers against each other in a fight, which broke the bond of the power of three (I am hazy on the details, someone can correct me if I am wrong). Maybe this is what happened to Zachary.. He teetered the fence between good and evil, but definitely was using his powers for evil in this episode. Even though he was channeling Pipers powers, HE was using them for evil.. Maybe this could create a very specific loop hole to the rule that "good witches don't freeze", because the freezing was not coming from a place of good, it was coming from a place of evil - regardless of whether the power he used was from a good witch.
OR maybe this is some small proof that the sisters were no longer completely good.. They have abused there powers before and used them for personal gain, so maybe Pipers use of her magic for personal gain combined with Zach's somewhat evil state of mind was enough to make the other students freeze who were good witches.
OR maybe none of these witches were truly one hundred percent good, which created a small fracture in the use of the power against "good" witches..
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 16:35:55 GMT -5
Another screw up that nobody noticed. I wish I could come up with an in-universe explanation, but there were so many goofs regarding magic/power rules...especially by this point in the series.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on May 2, 2015 16:36:34 GMT -5
Hmm.. Interesting. The sisters were able to use their powers against each other in a fight, which broke the bond of the power of three (I am hazy on the details, someone can correct me if I am wrong). Maybe this is what happened to Zachary.. He teetered the fence between good and evil, but definitely was using his powers for evil in this episode. Even though he was channeling Pipers powers, HE was using them for evil.. Maybe this could create a very specific loop hole to the rule that "good witches don't freeze", because the freezing was not coming from a place of good, it was coming from a place of evil - regardless of whether the power he used was from a good witch. OR maybe this is some small proof that the sisters were no longer completely good.. They have abused there powers before and used them for personal gain, so maybe Pipers use of her magic for personal gain combined with Zach's somewhat evil state of mind was enough to make the other students freeze who were good witches. OR maybe none of these witches were truly one hundred percent good, which created a small fracture in the use of the power against "good" witches.. I agree with you completely on this forbuss and something I would've said along the lines myself also.
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Post by Chrisaholic on May 5, 2015 9:16:37 GMT -5
That's a good question and obviously this served more the drama than the real use of this power. Just my thoughts.
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Post by charmedhybrid on May 22, 2015 0:49:13 GMT -5
Well technically only Piper's power of Freezing was meant to not work on good witches. If you think about it through out the series anyone else who either took Piper's powers or had it themselves were able to freeze good witches. Plus Zachary was able to do things with the other powers that he had mimicked that none of the original power owners could do for example he was able to stay awake and Astral Project to another location and also use a power while Astral Projecting at the same time. Its kinda like in the episode when Matthew Tate mimicked Prue's power he was able to use it slow himself down before hitting the ground when he jumped out of her office window and he was able to channel it through his hands something that Prue hadn't learned yet how to do. I think when someone mimics a power from a person the limitations that the original owner has doesn't effect the other person and they can almost use an upgraded version of it and use it or channel it in ways that the original owner cant.
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Post by isaiah on Aug 5, 2015 14:55:47 GMT -5
Hmm.. Interesting. The sisters were able to use their powers against each other in a fight, which broke the bond of the power of three (I am hazy on the details, someone can correct me if I am wrong). Maybe this is what happened to Zachary.. He teetered the fence between good and evil, but definitely was using his powers for evil in this episode. Even though he was channeling Pipers powers, HE was using them for evil.. Maybe this could create a very specific loop hole to the rule that "good witches don't freeze", because the freezing was not coming from a place of good, it was coming from a place of evil - regardless of whether the power he used was from a good witch. OR maybe this is some small proof that the sisters were no longer completely good.. They have abused there powers before and used them for personal gain, so maybe Pipers use of her magic for personal gain combined with Zach's somewhat evil state of mind was enough to make the other students freeze who were good witches. OR maybe none of these witches were truly one hundred percent good, which created a small fracture in the use of the power against "good" witches.. i don't know about the sisters not good anymore but i do like the zachary using his powers makes sense if good can freeze bad then evil could do the same thing if they could freeze time.
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Post by isaiah on Aug 5, 2015 14:57:56 GMT -5
Well technically only Piper's power of Freezing was meant to not work on good witches. If you think about it through out the series anyone else who either took Piper's powers or had it themselves were able to freeze good witches. Plus Zachary was able to do things with the other powers that he had mimicked that none of the original power owners could do for example he was able to stay awake and Astral Project to another location and also use a power while Astral Projecting at the same time. Its kinda like in the episode when Matthew Tate mimicked Prue's power he was able to use it slow himself down before hitting the ground when he jumped out of her office window and he was able to channel it through his hands something that Prue hadn't learned yet how to do. I think when someone mimics a power from a person the limitations that the original owner has doesn't effect the other person and they can almost use an upgraded version of it and use it or channel it in ways that the original owner cant. is that why paige could use her powers in astral mode but prue couldn't
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Post by Sadrick on Aug 5, 2015 15:52:20 GMT -5
I'll air quote that word, "evil". Because blindly following what others dictate upon you as being your "destiny" is the only path to righteousness and if you don't complacently follow it like some mindless fanatic then you're considered "bad" or "evil". Personally, if I were in Zachary's shoes, I would have told the sisters, Gideon, Leo, and even the Angel of Destiny herself to go scr*w themselves. I'm uprooted from my home and loved ones to study at some magical institution for the purpose of fighting evil and you expect me to just smile through it all and pretend that everything is okay? Destiny is not some infallible concept. Of course, Charmed would have you believe otherwise since it's all about accepting fatalism.
I try not to take a lot of the inconsistencies from later seasons too seriously because the premise of the show had obviously changed. Active powers that used to belong exclusively to the sisters and were inherited through their bloodline over the centuries was handed out to a bunch of brats at some Hogwarts-ripoff as if they were commonplace perks that anyone can inherit or learn.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Aug 6, 2015 8:34:27 GMT -5
My guess is Zachery was probably copying Piper's power to freeze things.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Aug 6, 2015 8:53:56 GMT -5
My guess is Zachery was probably copying Piper's power to freeze things. But telepathy's reading people's minds and communicating with them right not been able to channel powers so Zachary shouldn't have been able to do that then. Now had he'd had something like Phoebe's empathy for e.g. even though that part was unique to her or Matthews Tate's power copying or had cast a spell at least then yes he most likely could've copied Piper's freezing then.
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Post by charmedhybrid on Aug 29, 2015 22:27:21 GMT -5
Well technically only Piper's power of Freezing was meant to not work on good witches. If you think about it through out the series anyone else who either took Piper's powers or had it themselves were able to freeze good witches. Plus Zachary was able to do things with the other powers that he had mimicked that none of the original power owners could do for example he was able to stay awake and Astral Project to another location and also use a power while Astral Projecting at the same time. Its kinda like in the episode when Matthew Tate mimicked Prue's power he was able to use it slow himself down before hitting the ground when he jumped out of her office window and he was able to channel it through his hands something that Prue hadn't learned yet how to do. I think when someone mimics a power from a person the limitations that the original owner has doesn't effect the other person and they can almost use an upgraded version of it and use it or channel it in ways that the original owner cant. is that why paige could use her powers in astral mode but prue couldn't Exactly it wasn't her original power so she didn't have the same limitations as Prue. BC when Prue used Astral Projection she was essentially using Telekinesis to move herself so that blocked her from using her power in Astral Mode, but when Paige used the power she wasn't using her Telekinetic Orbing to Astral Project so that allowed her to use her Powers.
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Post by sohail786 on Jun 3, 2018 5:18:46 GMT -5
well according to what ive seen happening in the Charmedverse i think when an original power is used by someone else other then the original user by acquiring it in a magical way e.g spells,empathy the power can be used without the limitation of that power which bounds the original user...kinda like what Zachary did in this episode or when Paige used astral projection and was able to use her powers because astral projection wasn't in Paiges power set and she acquired it in a different method.....
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 31, 2021 15:57:11 GMT -5
Seemed like they dropped the whole "good witches don't freeze" concept, back in the "Power of Three Blondes" episode, and "Legend of Sleepy Halliwell" is WELL passed that episode. That's my answer, and I'm sticking to it.
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