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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 19:51:09 GMT -5
Ever since the S1 finale, "Deja Vu All Over Again," aired, and we witnessed the tragic death of the sisters' childhood friend (and, Prue's love), Andy Trudeau, at the hands of Inspector Rodriguez, fans have wondered whether or not that was truly the end for him? Did he meet the same fate as Sam Wilder, Leo Wyatt, and eventually, Kyle Brody?
It's not hard to see why this is a popular theory, especially ever since we saw the aforementioned Kyle, another police inspector, gain wings after he died trying to stop the Avatars. There are many parallels between his and Andy's deaths--both inspectors, both boyfriends of one of the sisters, and both killed trying to stop a Big Bad. Just compare what Andy told Prue at the end of "Deja Vu" to what Kyle told Paige at the end of "Charmageddon":
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A little similar, isn't it? Notice how both Andy and Kyle say that dying was their destiny. Destiny is a very loaded term in the Charmedverse, often used in correlation with people who are destined to play some kind of important role in helping others, such as the Charmed Ones or, wait for it... whitelighters.
I'll admit my bias--I've always been among those who thought that Andy did gain wings after "Deja Vu." To me, the evidence from the rest of the show, especially after Season 7 aired, seems to point in that direction. The only reason they never explicitly stated that Andy became one was because of how underdeveloped whitelighter mythology was in Season 1 in comparison to Season 7. (Remember, that "Love Hurts" was only the second-to-last episode of Season 1, airing just before Andy's death.)
What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 23:31:58 GMT -5
When Andy died, I actually thought that was what was going to happen. I didn't realize that Ted King had left the show for good (and there was never any reason given).
Unlike Shannen, they knew he was leaving, hence his characters death. Naturally, I thought "Okay, cool, Andy will show up as a white lighter in Season Two." Of course, that didn't happen. In fact, he was rarely mentioned again after that season.
However, I still like to think he made the cut to be a white lighter. Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 1, 2015 2:08:53 GMT -5
I'd like to think Andy became a whitelighter after he died and was out there somwhere training and guiding witches which he had a could reason to be although that never happened probably.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 10:20:39 GMT -5
I'd like to think Andy became a whitelighter after he died and was out there somwhere training and guiding witches which he had a could reason to be although that never happened probably. Well, there'd probably be problems if Andy suddenly reappeared in San Francisco after having clearly died. The Elders probably specifically assigned him charges on the other side of the country, if not the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 12:27:16 GMT -5
Andy would probably not be allowed to visit S.F. until several decades had passed.
Of course, once Prue was gone, there would have been little point having him back on the show then. Ah, well, I hope he and Prue hooked back up in the Afterlife.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 1, 2015 14:28:49 GMT -5
Well, there'd probably be problems if Andy suddenly reappeared in San Francisco after having clearly died. The Elders probably specifically assigned him charges on the other side of the country, if not the planet. Oh of course. I wouldn't have him back in SF for that reason either. The Charmed Ones would meet him in whatever country he was in if they did that of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 15:43:05 GMT -5
Of course, once Prue was gone, there would have been little point having him back on the show then. Well, wasn't he still a friend of Piper and Phoebe's? They practically saw him as an older brother. The Charmed Ones would meet him in whatever country he was in if they did that of course. Seeing as the sisters rarely ever left San Francisco over the course of the show, that's unlikely, and even then, the one sister who could travel long distances easily, Paige, was the one who never knew him. I guess the question of whether or not Andy became a whitelighter will always be one of those things that'll just be left unanswered. There's no evidence in canon pointing either way, so everybody's headcanon is correct.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 17:21:19 GMT -5
Has he shown up in the comics yet? Just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 22:07:02 GMT -5
Has he shown up in the comics yet? Just curious. From everyone's favorite Wiki: They didn't say exactly, but he presumably wouldn't be in the afterlife if he had become a whitelighter, so he probably didn't become one in the comics' universe. However, the comics are just one interpretation and aren't hard canon, so he could still possibly be one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 23:27:08 GMT -5
I guess since they couldn't get Ted King to guest star, they just let Andy drop.
Notice that after S2, he was barely mentioned anymore. Of course, soon after, Prue was gone too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 11:26:19 GMT -5
I guess since they couldn't get Ted King to guest star, they just let Andy drop. Notice that after S2, he was barely mentioned anymore. Of course, soon after, Prue was gone too. Yeah, that happened with a lot of characters on the show, especially from the early years. It's a shame that we never got full closure on whether or not Andy became a whitelighter. In fact, none of the dead characters (except Brody, of all people) really ever got full closure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 11:46:02 GMT -5
Any wonder Rex and Hannah never popped up again. I mean if they could forget about one of the star characters like Andy, what chance did R&H have? If not for my efforts, they'd be languishing in obscurity.
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Post by ljones on Jul 3, 2015 11:13:52 GMT -5
I hope Andy did not become a whitelighter. I would prefer if his spirit had moved on.
Why are people still getting themselves in a twist over Kyle Brody? He thought the Avatars were responsible for his parents' deaths. That's why he went after Leo. He was wrong and realized it. But he was right about the threat that the Avatars really posed. And for some reason, many fans cannot get past his earlier attempt to kill Leo after the latter became an Avatar.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 3, 2015 11:24:43 GMT -5
Ever since the S1 finale, "Deja Vu All Over Again," aired, and we witnessed the tragic death of the sisters' childhood friend (and, Prue's love), Andy Trudeau, at the hands of Inspector Rodriguez, fans have wondered whether or not that was truly the end for him? Did he meet the same fate as Sam Wilder, Leo Wyatt, and eventually, Kyle Brody? It's not hard to see why this is a popular theory, especially ever since we saw the aforementioned Kyle, another police inspector, gain wings after he died trying to stop the Avatars. There are many parallels between his and Andy's deaths--both inspectors, both boyfriends of one of the sisters, and both killed trying to stop a Big Bad. Just compare what Andy told Prue at the end of "Deja Vu" to what Kyle told Paige at the end of "Charmageddon": vs A little similar, isn't it? Notice how both Andy and Kyle say that dying was their destiny. Destiny is a very loaded term in the Charmedverse, often used in correlation with people who are destined to play some kind of important role in helping others, such as the Charmed Ones or, wait for it... whitelighters. I'll admit my bias--I've always been among those who thought that Andy did gain wings after "Deja Vu." To me, the evidence from the rest of the show, especially after Season 7 aired, seems to point in that direction. The only reason they never explicitly stated that Andy became one was because of how underdeveloped whitelighter mythology was in Season 1 in comparison to Season 7. (Remember, that "Love Hurts" was only the second-to-last episode of Season 1, airing just before Andy's death.) What do you think? Yup, I'll agree with you totally on this one, BettyNewbie. It's what I didn't like about Season Seven, repeating so many different stories. Had they made Brody someone who wasn't as obsessive as Cole (but not about Paige...) and had Paige not turned her back on her sisters in order to be with her boyfriend (Holy Dark!Phoebe, Batman!), it could've been a way of showing us what happened to Andy. Although I go back and forths on that. With all he did, Andy definitely deserved to be ASKED to be a whitelighter, but I wonder if he'd accept it. As you said, he tells Prue that he'll never be far away. That would not be the case if he became a whitelighter, since whitelighters weren't allowed to be around people they knew during life (for the same reason that Leo never should've been allowed to be the Charmed Ones' whitelighter when he and Piper were lovers in a previous life - which is always my explanation for why in Season One, Leo tells Phoebe that the Charmed Ones weren't supposed to know about him, but every other witch knows about their whitelighter). I prefer to think that he stuck near her like we know that Patty and Penny did, and so, as Paul Ruditis has Prue explain in the comics - (which I know isn't canon, but I so very love how Season 9 was done - outside of all of those daganab kids, of course, but I'm quite certain that that was due to CBS, not Paul Ruditis, the same reason why Melinda is the oldest of the girls so Piper's kids could be the new Charmed Ones until (bless Paul Ruditis!) he had the Angels of Destiny convinced to release them from all destinies - if ONLY that had happened during the real series!), he could be the one to welcome Prue into the afterlife. The other part of me says that Andy the cop would've put his feelings for Prue aside and agree to continue his destiny of helping people. As I said, I can see it going either way.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 3, 2015 11:28:47 GMT -5
I guess since they couldn't get Ted King to guest star, they just let Andy drop. Notice that after S2, he was barely mentioned anymore. Of course, soon after, Prue was gone too. Yeah, that happened with a lot of characters on the show, especially from the early years. It's a shame that we never got full closure on whether or not Andy became a whitelighter. In fact, none of the dead characters (except Brody, of all people) really ever got full closure. Other way around. Ted King didn't like the fact that the show was always going to be about the sisters, so he'd always be a third wheel to Shannen, Holly and Alyssa. Hehehehehe, he should've stuck around until Kern took over...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:59:06 GMT -5
That true? Could you please cite your source for this, Es?
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jul 27, 2015 10:56:52 GMT -5
Comics have been stated by both Shand and Ruditus that they are canon to the show so no Andy did not become a whitelighter after he died. He chose to stay in the afterlife after Prue escaped. I'm not sure who can qualify to become a whitelighter after they die.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 27, 2015 11:47:16 GMT -5
Comics have been stated by both Shand and Ruditus that they are canon to the show so no Andy did not become a whitelighter after he died. He chose to stay in the afterlife after Prue escaped. I'm not sure who can qualify to become a whitelighter after they die. Doesn't matter what Shand or Paul Ruditis say. Comics are never canon, but just official fanon. The major reason for that is that not everyone is able to read comics and not everyone wants to read comics, and those fans shouldn't be forced to discuss things that they know nothing about the way all fans have access to the TV show and can join in the discussion. Why talk about Neena or Renneck or even Patience when the majority of fans would have no idea who you're talking about, while we can discuss Andy or Billie because every fan knows who that is? If either a spin-off or a TV movie comes out and shows that the kids had different names or that Prue never took over another body (so Shannen could play Prue) or (as I will keep praying even though I know it will never happen), that "Forever Charmed" is just Piper's delusion while she's in a coma for ten years after the explosion in "Kill Billie, Vol 2" so we have no idea what happened after "Kill Billie Vol 2", so if, for example, Rose McGowan decides she doesn't want to be part of a TV movie while Shannen does, we can find out that Paige died during the explosion and Prue was able to come back as a whiteligher and also reconstitute the Power of Three (wish, wish, wish!), then that would be canon. In the same way, the only name we know for sure for any of the kids (or grandkids, for that matter) are the three boys and the one grandson (Wyatt, Chris, Henry Jr and Matthew). IF Piper has a daughter (and we have no idea if the girl we see with the boys is actually a sister or a cousin or a friend, since Piper never names her or even says she has a daughter), it's more likely that her name is Prudence Melinda (which is what Piper was going to call Wyatt if he was the girl he should've been) than that it's Melinda like in the comics, epecially if she's the oldest of the girls. However, as more and more fans accept the comics as their head-canon, it becomes more and more official fanon, and it becomes more and more likely that if there is a TV-movie or spin-off, that it would follow the comics, especially as long as CBS has rights to Charmed, since if they do and if there is a spin-off or a TV-movie, then they'd make sure to make the comics canon by using everything in it. But if a different company takes over and decides to do it differently, that would become canon. The same would be true for Andy. It's just as likely that we'd find out in the future that he *is* a whitelighter than that we would find out that he isn't. It's also just as likely that we'll *never* find out (for example, if there's a reboot, that would be for a totally different universe and not affect the original Charmedverse at all), in which case it's up to each fan to decide what's true for her/his own head-canon.
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