Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 28, 2016 21:41:41 GMT -5
Nope. Like I said above, it's the warning that the Source promised Phoebe he would give her. Obviously done in such a way so both Piper and Prue could've died anyway. The only thing that the Source did that was truly evil. It's going to annoy me that no one knows for sure what the chill really meant, but regardless of all these interpretations I'm going to stick with Prue being a witch she could sense her impending death. Personally for me, I like that it makes it quite eerie and morbid Then that's the proper way for you to look at it. Just remember - it was Kern who wrote the script and he probably knew that she was going to get fired. So it just seems proper that he'd throw something like that in...
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Post by sol on Jun 29, 2016 0:40:44 GMT -5
It's going to annoy me that no one knows for sure what the chill really meant, but regardless of all these interpretations I'm going to stick with Prue being a witch she could sense her impending death. Personally for me, I like that it makes it quite eerie and morbid Then that's the proper way for you to look at it. Just remember - it was Kern who wrote the script and he probably knew that she was going to get fired. So it just seems proper that he'd throw something like that in... Nor Kern nor other writers knew what would happen when it was written ABHL,usually the episodes are written well in advance and the second part of Season 3 was filmed in February, when Shannen was afraid of going to jail I believe they were thinking of a gradual development of astral projection, in theory the possibility of projecting outside of yourself should open to many sensory informations if you think of as the season 4 had been almost completely planned: Prue-Cole- Phoebe's triangle, relationship problems between the sisters, Cole who becomes the Source and Phoebe his queen, you can understand as a development of Prue's power towards the ability to go out of herself even to perceive several sensory plans would be valuable
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 15:28:47 GMT -5
And guess what - you're absolutely right! You know I'm one of the few fans who can always admit when she's proven wrong, and you have. I was going to post the scene at the beginning and the one at the end. If Prue felt a chill at the end and not the beginning, then it would've been the Source. But, nope, she felt it both times, with Phoebe yelling down, "I'm coming!" the first time, and of course, not being there the second time (which I still find stupid - no way time should've reversed on Earth and not in the Underworld...but then there's a lot of 'All Hell Breaks Loose' that I find stupid, which is why it will never be a Top 100 Episode for me). So *sigh* after giving Phoebe a power that had nothing to do with seeing the future and Piper one that had nothing to do with freezing time, they were going to give Prue one that had nothing to do with moving things with her mind. Now why should that surprise me any??? Unless they were stuck in some funky, self-perpetuating time loop so even though Prue felt the chill at the start of the episode (pre-the Source's involvement) it COULD have been his warning, but I just don't think so personally (but I may be wrong). Yeah, I didn't understand how time could reverse on Earth and not in the Underworld either. This leads me to believe the UW is another plane of existence and not exactly "Down There" - just as with "Up There" where time also moves differently (as witnessed in 'The Honeymoon's Over').
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 16:05:42 GMT -5
I subscribe to the same theory. The Underworld and Up There are other dimensional planes that lie alongside our Earth, but are not physically part of it.
It's the only idea that really makes sense, given the evidence that Deano has cited above.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 16:32:49 GMT -5
I subscribe to the same theory. The Underworld and Up There are other dimensional planes that lie alongside our Earth, but are not physically part of it. It's the only idea that really makes sense, given the evidence that Deano has cited above. Although it's still another big inconsistency on the show, especially as I'm sure the sisters have scried for people in the UW (could be wrong here, though) which implies it lies under the Earth's surface, but everything else points to it being a different plane/realm. Up There certainly must be another plane, otherwise you'd have a few other planes flying into it all the time
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 16:43:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I know. Makes you wish they'd sat down and figured all this out before writing the scripts. But, alas...
Sandra: What have the Charmed Ones done now?
Odin: Well, I... LOOK OUT!
Both hurl themselves down as a 747 passed close overhead.
Sandra: I'm beginning to think this Up In The Sky thing was a bad idea!
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Post by cyma on Jul 4, 2016 4:52:39 GMT -5
Do you all remember in All Hell Breaks Loose that whenever Shax attacked, Prue stopped talking and she said she felt a chill, but no one else did. Has it ever been discussed or explained why she felt this chill or how she did? Was it a form of sensing or telepathy? I always thought this was a new power developing for her, maybe telepathy. Prue also felt a chill in Murphy's Luck episode when the darklighter infected her with bad luck :-) Seeing Shannen was supposed to be there for season 4, it could mean nothing but a dramatic effect since Prue's chill expression happens again when encountering Shax in the street. Second explanation is it could be Phoebe, desperately trying to make contact to warn Prue and Piper about Shax's deadly attack after learning Source betrayed them. Which I'm sure she would've known through a premonition. As for Prue's weird chill feeling happening before Shax attack both times, Phoebe had premonitions of Andy dying in all the timelines even if it doesn't happen until the third loop. With that same logic, Phoebe's warning could affect Prue both times even if the first time she and Piper weren't in danger and could be easily healed by Leo. And the reason Prue is affected and not Piper, Prue on many instances does seem to possess some kind of sensing type power. She felt a strong sense of deja vu in the second time loop, something no one else without premonition powers felt. So this weird sensy power can make her feel Phoebe's warning in both timelines. My third explanation for chill, Phoebe is indeed killed by the Source and it's her ghost haunting Prue o.0 But I think like Cole's father, the Source would've trapped Phoebe's soul or something...
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Post by Astral Vision on Jul 4, 2016 9:59:15 GMT -5
There's always the possibility that Prue was always destined to die on this day. Therefore the chill she felt was the presence of the Angel of Death waiting for Shax to make that fatal attack. Obviously, this could only be an in-universe retrospective explanation, since Shannen wasn't necessarily expecting to leave at the time of this episode being written/being filmed.
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Post by unakite on Jul 5, 2016 0:01:43 GMT -5
I like your idea, a desperate try of connection between the sisters Despite disagreements, and misunderstandings, Prue and Phoebe had a good magic tie, perhaps because Prue's astral projection, has psychic components that approaches Phoebe's power of premonition
I like this too Destiny or not, Piper is dead and Prue would probably have been killed that day
Tempus knew that properly rewinding time, leading to the first of Shax's attacks, with Phoebe there, at the end of the day, all the sisters were alive, just as happened three years earlier, because Phoebe would have a sense of dejavu and this time she would have understood immediately if the sisters had not believed to have eliminated Shax, if Phoebe had not been clouded by her love for Cole, if Prue's arrogance had not been so out of control, if Piper had more mental independence, Phoebe would remain in the Manor with her sisters, perhaps perfecting the spell If Tempus had correctly rewound time, Phoebe would remain in the Manor with her sisters, alarmed by her dejavu For this reason, the Source and Tempus did not respect the pact, it was an irresistible opportunity to kill the Charmed Ones I believe that from this episode is born Source's obsessione: he was so close to kill all the htree sisters and had to settle for one
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Post by sol on Jul 6, 2016 1:14:09 GMT -5
I agree, it's the reason I think that Tempus didn't rewind time but manipulated it
Even if it were true that in the Underworld the time rules were different - it might also be, why not? - if Tempus had rewound the time Phoebe, the Phoebe who wrote and read the spell, she'ld necessarily been present as part of that time The Source knew that Phoebe has to be taken out of context and he and Tempus did it
Maybe, but during the season I feared Piper's death, she seemed the sister destined to die
In this case, Shax'ld have been vanquished by the spell pronounced with the Power of Three, it'ld be like in Deja Vu All Over Again, Phoebe'ld have understood that the time had somehow been restarted
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Post by lordumbrex on Aug 11, 2016 20:37:46 GMT -5
I always thought it was simply her impending death that she was sensing.
And I always saw the Underworld as another plane of existence, never under the earth. If anything, I would think Purgatory would the one under the earth, but even that is iffy for me.
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Post by BookShelfy91 on Aug 28, 2016 2:30:40 GMT -5
I agree with a sense of impending death. Having just watched Supernatural end of season 3 where the last few hours Dean can see the true faces of Demons, all due to him being close to the veil. I think it might have been kind of the same thing. Or just simply a witch sensing some impending doom? You know that feeling you get when something just doesn't feel right? Too many different possible explanations for it.
Shelfy
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