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Post by charmedfairymagic on Mar 6, 2006 4:51:24 GMT -5
Wow, you would think with the success of all the paranormal TV series on today that the network would not have pushed the supernatural(no pun intended)or wiccan aspect of charmed under the rug but in fact they have. Point in case Paige's wedding was so mainstream it just didn't fit. Perhaps that is why so many of us old school fans are finding these past few years disappointing. It seems like the original writers went to great length to teach the audience about wicca to give the show depth and an edge, but now they stay clear of it to perhaps grab a broader audience. Am I the only one that feels this way?
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Post by slip on Mar 6, 2006 11:08:12 GMT -5
partly. again due to the rapidly reducing show budget they have had to do away with stuff like supercool visual effects, demon make-up etc i.e. the magic stuff. and they r i think trying to do sumthng different i think it has succeded to some extent. i mean as much as i think that seasons 3 n 4 were way better than seasons 7 or 8, even then the main storyline is progressing pretty cool.....wyatt's birth season 5....the whole cool chris coming back from the future to save wyatt arc in season 6 ending with chris' birth... then Leo's anger leading him str8 into the Avatars' plans to reshape the world in season 7 (they tried earlier in season 5 when they detected enormous power in Cole)....with Zankou's return to remove the Avatars from the picture n get to the shadow...to his downfall which ultimately caused the sisters to fake their deaths n take on disguises leading into season 8... with the Triad's backup plan (that had been set in motion by them n possibly the Source way way before the sisters became Charmed) coming full circle and the ultimate power (Billie) coming into their lives and her search for her sister Christy (the key) leading to... the resurrection of the Triad and the final steps needed to bring their plan to fruition....leading to ....! so i mean charmed may not always have been at its peak (yes it has slid in the last 2 seasons majorly) but the core storyline remains taut and continues to the end.
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Post by hollypop on Mar 6, 2006 12:43:37 GMT -5
Wow, you would think with the success of all the paranormal TV series on today that the network would not have pushed the supernatural(no pun intended)or wiccan aspect of charmed under the rug but in fact they have. Point in case Paige's wedding was so mainstream it just didn't fit. Perhaps that is why so many of us old school fans are finding these past few years disappointing. It seems like the original writers went to great length to teach the audience about wicca to give the show depth and an edge, but now they stay clear of it to perhaps grab a broader audience. Am I the only one that feels this way? I've been wishing that they would go back to basics when it comes to their wicca ways. They don't have to shove it down our throats but an occasional mention of a Sabbat or what about lighting candles for other than mood lighting? Wicca is nothing to be ashamed of or to be afraid of but I think that alot of people are unsure of it and so the network (whoever's in charge) just didn't want to ruffle any feathers and thought it was best to tone it down.
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Post by #1 Nightwish Fan AKA Amy Lee on Mar 6, 2006 17:08:28 GMT -5
I agree, there sin't enough magick in the show, maybe they don't put mahic in the show because they are afraid people would complain about it?
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Post by kitsuneopal on Mar 8, 2006 9:02:04 GMT -5
Possibly because the mention of religion of any kind gets people in a tizzy. And the networks tiptoe around any mention of somthing that can offend someone.
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Post by Payton Phoenix Halliwell on Mar 8, 2006 16:43:50 GMT -5
I agree that they could use a little more Wicca background in the show. After all when the three innocents died, the girls sat around the living room coffee table, lit a candle for each one and said a blessing. Yes, it's simple, but it is so in keeping with the Wicca tradition. Then again, Then again they are The Charmed Ones, not Wiccans. None of them have ever studied Wicca in-depth. The only one who ever picked up a book on the subject was Paige. They've picked up a few things here and there such as the Spring Equinox ritual (the skyclad episode in the park) no one has any real knowledge. All they know comes mostly from their BOS. You'd think Gramms would have set down something about ritual construction and casting a protective circle before undertaking any magical castings. At least Leo started setting down some guidelines for his future Whitelighter sons. Maybe he should write his own grimoire directed especially at Whitelighghters. If the symbol for The Charmed Ones is the triquetra, what would the symbol for a Whitelighter be? A pair of wings? Hmmmmmm.
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Post by hydrokinisis on Mar 8, 2006 18:37:43 GMT -5
Not!!! Charmed lost it's edginess, morals, darkness, and greatness after Season 4!!! Too this day, I don't understand why they took the show in such a bad direction, are they that blind not to see how wrong they were?
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Post by thekiwicharmed on Mar 8, 2006 22:32:18 GMT -5
Not!!! Charmed lost it's edginess, morals, darkness, and greatness after Season 4!!! Too this day, I don't understand why they took the show in such a bad direction, are they that blind not to see how wrong they were? Agreed. It's been gone since season five.
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Post by ArchAngel on Mar 16, 2006 6:49:29 GMT -5
More like useless "filler" eppisodes abound from Mid Season 2...mostly about Piper's love life and Phoebe's love life. It was very well possible to kill the Source in 3 seasons as the original contract stood if they hadn't been filling up time with the girls personal/dating lives instead of keeping their dating lives to cliffs notes on how the date went badly during their sisterly bonding at p3, the coffee shop, or the breakfast table....lol Wow, you would think with the success of all the paranormal TV series on today that the network would not have pushed the supernatural(no pun intended)or wiccan aspect of charmed under the rug but in fact they have. Point in case Paige's wedding was so mainstream it just didn't fit. Perhaps that is why so many of us old school fans are finding these past few years disappointing. It seems like the original writers went to great length to teach the audience about wicca to give the show depth and an edge, but now they stay clear of it to perhaps grab a broader audience. Am I the only one that feels this way? Unfortunatlely Kern has been forced By WB to make Charmed Conform with the Relationship Drama Crap that a lot of the WB shows are Based on, and they prefer Charmed to be Politically Correrect, which upsetting any relgions or their believes by featuring to much of them (or even presenting sopmehing that could be percieved by them as offensive) is considered a "no-No"
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Post by slip on Mar 16, 2006 8:53:08 GMT -5
All hail THE ARCHANGEL!!! yu been absent for long! some of that no-nonsense wisdom of urs is seriously needed on this board.
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Post by Lisa M on Mar 16, 2006 22:32:44 GMT -5
More like useless "filler" eppisodes abound from Mid Season 2...mostly about Piper's love life and Phoebe's love life. It was very well possible to kill the Source in 3 seasons as the original contract stood if they hadn't been filling up time with the girls personal/dating lives instead of keeping their dating lives to cliffs notes on how the date went badly during their sisterly bonding at p3, the coffee shop, or the breakfast table....lol Wow, you would think with the success of all the paranormal TV series on today that the network would not have pushed the supernatural(no pun intended)or wiccan aspect of charmed under the rug but in fact they have. Point in case Paige's wedding was so mainstream it just didn't fit. Perhaps that is why so many of us old school fans are finding these past few years disappointing. It seems like the original writers went to great length to teach the audience about wicca to give the show depth and an edge, but now they stay clear of it to perhaps grab a broader audience. Am I the only one that feels this way? Unfortunatlely Kern has been forced By WB to make Charmed Conform with the Relationship Drama Crap that a lot of the WB shows are Based on, and they prefer Charmed to be Politically Correrect, which upsetting any relgions or their believes by featuring to much of them (or even presenting sopmehing that could be percieved by them as offensive) is considered a "no-No" Charmed and every other successful show, regardless of genre, have had the "relationship crap". It's what makes the characters human and relatable to the audience. However, this garbage of Paige and Phoebe needing to get laid all the time? That's all Kern.
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Post by spiritsas on Mar 17, 2006 15:08:21 GMT -5
One wonders, why the Wiccan rituals were OK to do in the early years, but something they've shied away from in the latter years. Is it just political correctness or pressure from the studio to tone down. LisaM is right in that relationships carry every show and it's often what makes them interesting. However, they now call Charmed a dramedy (drama/comedy). I'll bet it was originally a drama. I think we all saw it morph after season 3 into a more family centered show. They had one sister marry, then another, although she was the Queen of all Evil (it's always something...), then two babies and now a third marriage. Obviously, we can expect, if not another wedding, the promise of one, for Pheobe, before they shut down for good. Point being, the show has changed a lot and we don't always know where the pressures for those changes are coming from.
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Post by charmedfairymagic on Mar 18, 2006 2:16:09 GMT -5
[color=Green]Unfortunatlely Kern has been forced By WB to make Charmed Conform with the Relationship Drama Crap that a lot of the WB shows are Based on, and they prefer Charmed to be Politically Correrect, which upsetting any relgions or their believes by featuring to much of them (or even presenting sopmehing that could be percieved by them as offensive) is considered a "no-No" [/color][/i]
Again I wonder with the success of all the paranormal(ie ghost whisperer, medium, supernatural...)being so successful why Brad Kern does not return to his roots for the finish of this show. I understand and knew of the budget cuts, and I am not suggesting we need to see more demons vanquishing lavishly, I am just saddened I suppose by the road taken so far to the left that charmed now resembles any other WB show. ( As you all were commenting) I am glad and sad at the same time to say goodbye to this show and I never thought I would ever feel this way.
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Post by nmc1496 on Mar 23, 2006 15:27:55 GMT -5
I think that people are being too picky again. This wedding was between Paige and A MORTAL, (at what was going to be a wedding shower).
They're running out of time to develop much drama with a wiccan (or magical) wedding or whatever - but add to that fact, that he is still coming to terms with the fact that she is NOT an average person - the wedding was as it should be.
My only problem with the wedding was ??conjuring?? a dress - doesn't that smack of personal gain? BUT, Brad is running out of time to give us all the happy endings for each character - so I think that people should really lighten up here. Better to hurry it along - than to leave it all unfinished.
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Post by nmc1496 on Mar 23, 2006 15:31:13 GMT -5
BTW, if you look at season 1 shows - there were relationships there - but for the most part, were mostly one-night stand variety, for ALL of the girls.
In fact, first episode had jokes about whether Prue would have sex with anyone other than herself that year....
But, even in the first year, these were not lonely, celibate girls. The "relationships, per se" were there all along, long-term or not.
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Post by charmedfairymagic on Mar 23, 2006 16:56:16 GMT -5
"I think that people are being too picky again. This wedding was between Paige and A MORTAL, (at what was going to be a wedding shower). "
Marrying a mortal or not didn't Paige Truly embrace wicca when she found out she was a witch. I know we are running out of air time, but I am just dissappointed that any sign of the earlier seasons or magic(no punn intended) is gone.
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Post by ArchAngel on Mar 26, 2006 8:33:47 GMT -5
One wonders, why the Wiccan rituals were OK to do in the early years, but something they've shied away from in the latter years. Is it just political correctness or pressure from the studio to tone down. LisaM is right in that relationships carry every show and it's often what makes them interesting. However, they now call Charmed a dramedy (drama/comedy). I'll bet it was originally a drama. I think we all saw it morph after season 3 into a more family centered show. They had one sister marry, then another, although she was the Queen of all Evil (it's always something...), then two babies and now a third marriage. Obviously, we can expect, if not another wedding, the promise of one, for Pheobe, before they shut down for good. Point being, the show has changed a lot and we don't always know where the pressures for those changes are coming from. Being a Guy, things blowing up..including but not limited to demons was what kept me watching the show, not the Dan-Piper-Leo love triange that I still have a bone to pick about if a girl loves 2 guys it's a "romatic delima" but when guy Loves 2 girls one of the girls runs him over 6 times with a car? Don't care about their relationships with Men, just that they kick Demon butt and save the world. Don't care about their kids, or thier Jobs, or their desire for a life outside of being witches or the charmed Ones cause the name of the Show is "Charmed" and they chose to stay that way when they where offered a "out" buy the Angel of Destiney then bicker about not being "normal", ot having a "normal life", and not being "like everyone else"? ....Which they aren't cause they are Witches and "Charmed ones"
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Post by slip on Mar 27, 2006 6:59:49 GMT -5
heh heh! LOL ---- wise!
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Post by xPiper20x on Apr 5, 2006 8:45:55 GMT -5
I don't feel that the show has been concentrating on the Magical side as they did in the first couple of seasons, and I miss that. If they are the all powerful Charmed One's then why not get them to use their powers or wiccan knowlage more?
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Post by charmed3 on Apr 5, 2006 12:00:12 GMT -5
because the show is about sisters who happen to be witches.
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