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Post by whitelightertony on Sept 22, 2007 2:26:56 GMT -5
So, of course, it makes more sense for a demon to get away with killing a mortal (or two, or a dozen) before any creatures of Good be "justified" in taking action against him/her? Try telling that to those deceased, powerless mortals.
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 24, 2007 17:04:20 GMT -5
I take it you are responding to ljones' comment, whitelightertony? For certainly, protecting innocents is what the Charmed Ones are supposedly all about, n'est-ce pas?
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Post by whitelightertony on Sept 25, 2007 2:01:41 GMT -5
VG, I was responding to both of your comments, as denoted below:
If the Charmed Ones just let demons run wild, then what was the point of reconstituting the Power of Three to begin with?
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 26, 2007 14:03:07 GMT -5
So, are you suggesting that it is acceptable for the Charmed Ones to preemptively vanquish demons even if a specific instance of attempted harm towards innocents can be documented? If so, then wouldn't Piper have been justified in vanquishing Drake? Or, Kira the Seer?
I don't think you are suggesting at all that the Charmed Ones vanquish demons simply for the bloodlust or whatever you wish to call it. I know some do, and you know I vehemently reject those allegations.
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Post by whitelightertony on Sept 29, 2007 3:36:49 GMT -5
Drake never used his powers for evil.
And Kira decided to offer the Charmed Ones an extenuating "sweet deal" before Piper even had the chance to consider vanquishing her.
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 1, 2007 10:43:08 GMT -5
So, there are limitations as to when it's acceptable to vanquish demons. Now, rather than proceed anecdotally - Kira this, Drake that, let's try to spell out these limitations precisely!
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Post by whitelightertony on Oct 1, 2007 14:39:38 GMT -5
I think the Charmed Ones hesitated to kill demons when they felt the demons weren't a guaranteed threat to them.
Drake entered Magic School, which probably indicated to Phoebe that there was some magical loophole linked to him (which there was!).
And Kira tantalized the Charmed Ones with the incentive of giving them information on the Avatars, which prevented them from killing her.
Lacking these pieces of evidence, Drake and Kira would have been prime candidates for vanquishes by the Halliwells.
Other examples:
In Season 1, the Charmed Ones didn't automatically vanquish Brendan Rowe because they knew he wanted to turn to the side of Good.
In Season 3, the Charmed Ones didn't automatically vanquish Tom Peters because Prue believed in him, and viewed him as an Innocent who could be redeemed (similar to Brendan).
Most of the other preemptive vanquishes were performed by the Charmed Ones with the assumption that the demon or creature of Evil would still continue to work against Good and the rest of humanity.
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 2, 2007 19:00:39 GMT -5
But in Season 6, Chris had the sisters vanquish every Tom, Dick and Beelzebub! Also, Piper went on her furious kill every damn demon bender after Prue's death! Kind of breaks the rules, eh?
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Post by dagg on Oct 2, 2007 23:08:52 GMT -5
i dont exactly recall any rules being set down on how when and which demons they could vanquesh and which they couldnt.
there were some obvious exceptions but as a general rule, they went after demons... at times more vigerously than others.
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 3, 2007 17:21:23 GMT -5
Yes, you surely can't recall rules that were never articulated. They must be adduced and somehow brought into reconciliation with their mission - protecting innocents - and the codicil attached to their powers - using them for personal gain, NOT!
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Post by Kit-the-cat on Oct 6, 2007 14:31:32 GMT -5
Wow i was just thinking the exact same thing
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Post by ljones on Oct 10, 2007 17:20:59 GMT -5
Because, if left undead/unvanquished, the demons would proceed to take over the world. Hmmm . . . so what? Nothing lasts forever. At least in the mortal world.
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