cyma
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Post by cyma on Oct 5, 2020 15:00:19 GMT -5
If Prue were to die fighting the Source, then for me, it would be better if he stayed dead and his story wrapped up finally. The new Charmed Ones could be responsible for facing new kind of threats. Or if the writers were really itching to do another Source story, then Phoebe should've been the next Source. We've already been through Cole is evil or not evil storyline twice in season 3 and Phoebe defending him then rejecting him then repeat. How many times does the guy have to redeem himself? Besides Charmed is supposed to be about the sisters and Phoebe is one of the leading characters. Season 1 with the Woogy episode foreshadowed something big coming up for her. More than just one episode big. And what's bigger than struggling against the Source of all Evil's leftover essence after it killed Prue? Also instead of Phoebe always blaming Cole for everything going wrong with her life, she'll finally understand his struggles. And Cole could actually help her instead lying and manipulating. Both of them could grow as characters instead regress if Phoebe was the Source. The source may well be missing until the next generation and no longer appear in the series. Prue would have a hell of a page in the Book of Shadows like Brianna with the Crystal Sword. I hate the idea of a new source. However, getting Zankou out of jail might allow the new power of three to work together and not make Prue's mistake. Phoebe had also made a mistake by leaving Prue and Piper in 3x22. However I do understand that Phoebe has a dark side (woogymen, pardon my past) if she gets evil it shouldn't last just two episodes ..... I like Zankuo being next villian after Source.. His story really should not have been shared with the Avatars. Unless the writers decided he was an Avatar rather than simply being a demon. And that's why Source trapped him because he couldn't kill him. It makes sense that when you vanquish someone who is king of Hell, there would be negative consequences as well. Like demons and creatures he trapped being set free. |
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Post by forbuss on Oct 6, 2020 12:53:11 GMT -5
The show was never feminist - would not have been allowed in '98-06 - it was all about girl power - until Kern took over when it was all about guy power - a woman is nothing without her man. All part of why I count them as two totally different series. I think the idea of "girl power" - something I associate strongly with The Spice Girls - was a way to exemplify the ideas of feminism without the negative perceptions of feminism at the time the show was on the air. In this time many had incorrect impressions of what feminism was - people imagined man hating lesbians who didn't shave their armpits and burned their bra's in trash cans. In reality, this isn't what feminism was or is. But I do know what you mean - the show would have never, ever used the word "feminist" or "feminism" at the time because it probably would have turned off a lot of people from viewing the show. So many people already thought the show was somehow a "bad influence" - we have heard many stories on this board of people whose parents would not allow them to watch the show. I've always found this funny because other "kids" or "teen" shows around this time and before it explored themes of sex, drinking, drugs, etc (like Degrassi or 90210 or Dawsons Creek). Charmed was probably one of the most family friendly shows on the air at the time. But yeah. I do consider the show feminist now just because of it's nature - the universe of the show set up these three women to be the strongest force of good in the world. They inherently held more power than men. They were successful in their careers, were home owners, and the characters weren't presented or explained as being decentralized to men. In fact, these women were central not only to the fictional show but the fictional world it created. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 6, 2020 16:10:58 GMT -5
You're right until Kern took over and Cole appeared and Piper got married and had two sons. Then the sisters became totally dependent on their men as it became male-centric rather than female-centric, with Cole, The Source, Shax, the Avatars, Chris and Wyatt all truly starred much more than the sisters, with Phoebe and Paige more costars than Darryl. Even in S8 where it could've been Billie, it was all about the sisters' men and boys and not about them. The fact that the finale is mainly all about Piper and Leo is all you need to know. And, of course, the flashforward showing that a woman can only be happy if she's married with three children is disgustingly male chauvinistic.
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Post by forbuss on Oct 6, 2020 21:49:40 GMT -5
You're right until Kern took over and Cole appeared and Piper got married and had two sons. Then the sisters became totally dependent on their men as it became male-centric rather than female-centric, with Cole, The Source, Shax, the Avatars, Chris and Wyatt all truly starred much more than the sisters, with Phoebe and Paige more costars than Darryl. Even in S8 where it could've been Billie, it was all about the sisters' men and boys and not about them. The fact that the finale is mainly all about Piper and Leo is all you need to know. And, of course, the flashforward showing that a woman can only be happy if she's married with three children is disgustingly male chauvinistic. I don't disagree with what my post outlined changing as the show went on (what you are saying). It is disappointing to me because I don't think it would have been that difficult to have the sisters have relationships and families while still keeping the focus on them and there destiny as witches. I think this was maybe the initial theory as Piper dating Leo - he was their Whitelighter so his job paired with Pipers witch duties should have made a recipe for the show to keep the focus on the sisters who happened to be witches, not women who happened to be dating who also happened to be witches and sisters. The Cole thing is tricky. I think that if Cole had stayed evil throughout and was more of a villain and less of a hot man who happened to be half demon it would have helped keep the show female-centric. The same with the kids. If Piper had of stayed a sister who happened to be a witch and a mother it would have been better. I think the focus on Wyatt turning evil contributed to what you are saying, because once again Piper became a mother to a potentially evil child who happened to be a sister and a witch. This was especially bad because while watching I never really believed Wyatt was actually in any danger. I think the season six storyline of protecting Wyatt made it really hard for Piper as a character to come back to not being that (hence the bitterness of Piper). |
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Post by goldeneye049 on Oct 6, 2020 23:25:35 GMT -5
The worst episode is "Battle of the Hexes". The final conclusion is clearly that a woman cannot run the world and above all that Leo, a man, managed to have a group of musicians at P3, without a man they had no one. Piper specifies this at the end of the episode.
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Post by forbuss on Oct 7, 2020 21:07:27 GMT -5
The worst episode is "Battle of the Hexes". The final conclusion is clearly that a woman cannot run the world and above all that Leo, a man, managed to have a group of musicians at P3, without a man they had no one. Piper specifies this at the end of the episode. I don't disagree with your deductions about the episode and think it was a really poor ending. It's oddly ironic that it was Liz Phair who was playing because she actually is a total feminist singer/songwriter. I wish that the "lesson" of this episode was that absolute power corrupts absolutely. I honestly don't believe that one person, regardless of their gender, could run anything "better". I always like a team approach. Oh and what do you know - this is a show about a group of sisters who happened to be witches! Not sisters who happened to be witches who also happened to be married to a man who played golf. Like I said in a different post, this episode is really confusing the concept of feminism. In my experience, feminism and feminists don't want to take men's place in the world. They just want equality and an equal voice at the table, and to not be disadvantaged based on being women - or hell, not even being women, just not being men. I consider myself a feminist but I also do not have the lived experiences of women so I understand there are things I may not grasp but am very willing to listen and learn if someone is willing to share their experience and knowledge. And this is exactly what the take away from this episode should have been - no one person has any more to offer than anyone else regardless of their gender. That being said, I do think women have more to offer in general. not because they are women, but because women's voices have been not welcome for so long. So it's time women are heard as equals in a fair and respectful way - not because they are women, but because they are smart and powerful people who have just as much (if not more due to historical sexism) to offer as anyone else. Sadly, many men view this as women silencing them - women aren't silencing men, men just haven't figured out a way to have a conversation without dominating it. Maybe men should figure out how to listen and respond rather than just occupy all the air in the room. I think this episode showed Billie's immaturity and bad experiences with men as a young woman - which is weird because we never actually saw Billie date anyone. But either way I agree, this episode basically said well women tried and they were even worse than men. Not good, not true, and confusing the issue. Never should have happened. I would be VERY interested to hear your and anyone else's perspective on the other episodes that attempt to tackle gender issues that deal with sexism/misogyny. |
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Post by goldeneye049 on Oct 7, 2020 23:45:54 GMT -5
Thank you  yes I have another example in she's a man baby a man. Prue likes Dan's car because he's a man ... He's attracted to the succubus. He only thinks about sex (women no ? No one?). He's fighting. All because he's a man! Because he has testosterone. Even though it's funny, it's completely ridiculous. So if a man becomes a woman, he has to go into the kitchen and take care of the children. Prue should have stayed Prue... Very recently Rose stated that she wished she was a lesbian, only the production team was very old fashioned. in the show in general there are really bad characters Spencer ricks (for phoebe), Chris barker (prue), Mr strick (paige) I don't know what to think about them |
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Post by goldeneye049 on Oct 7, 2020 23:49:38 GMT -5
You know when brad Kern was fired to ncis new orleans I was like : I knew it ba*tard
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Oct 10, 2020 12:17:03 GMT -5
The Source kills her. As her last act of protection, she scarfices herself allowing her sisters to flee.
The line where The Source says "Say Hi to Prue for me" is where I started to think, that maybe The Source should have killed her. That would ammunition in the Charmed Ones corner to end him once and for all.
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yes I have another example in she's a man baby a man. 