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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 10:41:56 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true. I wonder why they decided to dust off this two year old rubbish idea. I can't prove anything, but I have a hunch that it had something to do with them killing Chris off at the end of Season 6. With Chris and his story gone, they no longer had a main storyline for Season 7, so they dug up this old Avatar story and gave it to Leo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 10:43:45 GMT -5
Typical Kern. Abruptly end one storyline without another to replace it  |
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Post by West on Jul 10, 2015 20:52:57 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Piper/Leo, I used to like them. Now I wished Leo did leave after season 1 for good as he was originally suppose too, then the whole elders/whitelighters would never have been a huge focus in the series, and I'd have liked this so much.
Season 1 is my favourite season of the series, and season 2 is so underrated.
Season 6 is overrated, I have alot of issues with the Chris storyline, and I dont believe Kern that he was suppose to be the second son.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 23:42:53 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Piper/Leo, I used to like them. Now I wished Leo did leave after season 1 for good as he was originally suppose too, then the whole elders/whitelighters would never have been a huge focus in the series, and I'd have liked this so much. Season 1 is my favourite season of the series, and season 2 is so underrated. Season 6 is overrated, I have alot of issues with the Chris storyline, and I dont believe Kern that he was suppose to be the second son. Yeah, looking back, I've started to realize that whitelighters kind of ruined the show. They never did anything but provide easy, deus ex machina solutions to everything and make the show more about having magical powers than being a witch. As for Chris, well, I am a fan of him and his storyline, but it was very badly handled. And, outside of Chris, Season 6 was pretty much nothing but the same Freebie/fairytale rubbish that ruined Season 5. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 23:57:53 GMT -5
As I have said, imagine S6 without Chris and his story. You get Season 5 Mark II  |
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Post by West on Jul 11, 2015 0:01:51 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Piper/Leo, I used to like them. Now I wished Leo did leave after season 1 for good as he was originally suppose too, then the whole elders/whitelighters would never have been a huge focus in the series, and I'd have liked this so much. Season 1 is my favourite season of the series, and season 2 is so underrated. Season 6 is overrated, I have alot of issues with the Chris storyline, and I dont believe Kern that he was suppose to be the second son. Yeah, looking back, I've started to realize that whitelighters kind of ruined the show. They never did anything but provide easy, deus ex machina solutions to everything and make the show more about having magical powers than being a witch. As for Chris, well, I am a fan of him and his storyline, but it was very badly handled. And, outside of Chris, Season 6 was pretty much nothing but the same Freebie/fairytale rubbish that ruined Season 5. Exactly so, they could of have the sisters use potions to fix injuries, or something. I'm not too sure one of the sisters having healing powers would be a good idea, but I'd take that over whitelighters. Yeah true, they kept changing his motives, and stuff. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 11, 2015 2:27:52 GMT -5
The thing with Leo is he said Whitelighters couldn't heal charges unless they were hurt by evil yet he healed Piper still other times than that like when she had cuts for e.g. and when she was dieing in 'Awkakened' which went totally against what he said originally I mean If your goanna have rules man at least stick with them throughout you know what I'm saying.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 11, 2015 8:16:05 GMT -5
But yeah, there were some truly abysmal episodes in the first half...although I think that's kind of standard for Charmed's later years- to pick up part way through the season. I'd personally say that was the case for season 6, 7 and 8 to some extent. But yes, I agree that the second half is generally a lot better, definitely should have ended there. You do have a point there, especially with Seasons 6 and 7. I think the early parts of the seasons were when the WB forced more of their promotional mandates on the show, which usually translated into skimpy costumes and stunt casting. This was especially the case in Season 7, where only the first half of the season had Nick Lachey and the crappy costume episodes. Interestingly, this theory also seems to apply to Season 2. The first half of the season had Jenny, Dishwalla, and a bunch of awful costume/filler episodes, while the latter half had far less of the gimmicky stuff. Wow! Never thought of it before, but you're absolutely right. Would that also explain "Oh, My Goddess!" which fits in so well with that definition - especially all of the promo shots of the sisters as goddesses that we saw during the hiatus between Five and Six? |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 11, 2015 8:26:44 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Piper/Leo, I used to like them. Now I wished Leo did leave after season 1 for good as he was originally suppose too, then the whole elders/whitelighters would never have been a huge focus in the series, and I'd have liked this so much. Season 1 is my favourite season of the series, and season 2 is so underrated. Oh, agreed, totally. If Leo had stayed away like he was supposed to, and you didn't include the Dan-Piper-Leo triangle, I truly think Season 2 would be one of the most popular seasons rather than one most fans seem to see as "Meh". The only thing that could've saved it (which I use in my own Dream Charmed) would be if when they take Leo away in Season 3, when he comes back, his wings are clipped permanently, but to thank him for his service as a whitelighter for 80 years, the Elders have the Angel of Destiny give him the one he should've had, had he not died - that of a doctor with his clinic for people who can't afford care. That way he could use just good old-fashioned medicine to heal the sisters (maybe teach them a much-needed lesson or two) and we'd never hear of such a thing as a witchlighter. The other thing that would've helped the show would be if they showed that since whitelighter powers are granted by the Elders and not inherited, children of whitelighters don't inherit any of those powers. Any of those would've kept the show "Charmed" rather than "Whitelighter", since Paige and Chris being whitelighters ended up much more important than either being witches. |
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Post by West on Jul 11, 2015 8:41:08 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Piper/Leo, I used to like them. Now I wished Leo did leave after season 1 for good as he was originally suppose too, then the whole elders/whitelighters would never have been a huge focus in the series, and I'd have liked this so much. Season 1 is my favourite season of the series, and season 2 is so underrated. Oh, agreed, totally. If Leo had stayed away like he was supposed to, and you didn't include the Dan-Piper-Leo triangle, I truly think Season 2 would be one of the most popular seasons rather than one most fans seem to see as "Meh". The only thing that could've saved it (which I use in my own Dream Charmed) would be if when they take Leo away in Season 3, when he comes back, his wings are clipped permanently, but to thank him for his service as a whitelighter for 80 years, the Elders have the Angel of Destiny give him the one he should've had, had he not died - that of a doctor with his clinic for people who can't afford care. That way he could use just good old-fashioned medicine to heal the sisters (maybe teach them a much-needed lesson or two) and we'd never hear of such a thing as a witchlighter. The other thing that would've helped the show would be if they showed that since whitelighter powers are granted by the Elders and not inherited, children of whitelighters don't inherit any of those powers. Any of those would've kept the show "Charmed" rather than "Whitelighter", since Paige and Chris being whitelighters ended up much more important than either being witches. I so agree, it would make season 2 my favourite season of the series if those change occurred by far. Oh that would of been alot better, if Leo became mortal and a doctor in season 3. I'd have preferred that if they had to keep Leo. And the whitelighter aspect not happening with Paige or Chris, fantastic. Those small changes would of been alot better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 10:58:33 GMT -5
Exactly so, they could of have the sisters use potions to fix injuries, or something. I'm not too sure one of the sisters having healing powers would be a good idea, but I'd take that over whitelighters. The sisters having a magical doctor around all the time often ruined suspense. You knew that they would instantly be better by the end of the episode because Leo could just hold up his hand and voila. Yeah true, they kept changing his motives, and stuff. They clearly didn't have a solid, long-term plan for Chris. The Chris from "Oh, My Goddess" might as well be a completely different character from the one we saw in Season 6, and his motives and goals kept on changing every few episodes. The Gideon stuff seemed to come completely out of left field and made zero sense, whatsoever. It also didn't help that Chris' story kept on being shoved into the background in favor of worthless filler like "Witchstock," "Prince Charmed," "Used Karma," and "Legend of Sleepy Halliwell." Of course, Chris' popularity probably came out of left field for Kern & Co. They didn't intend to keep Drew around for the entire season, but then the ratings shot up to the highest they had been since Season 3 in early Season 6, and it obviously wasn't because of Freebie and the Stoopid Majickal Kreatures. It would've been stupid to drop such a popular character, but they needed a long-term plan for him. And, then, Holly announced she was pregnant... The thing with Leo is he said Whitelighters couldn't heal charges unless they were hurt by evil yet he healed Piper still other times than that like when she had cuts for e.g. and when she was dieing in 'Awkakened' which went totally against what he said originally I mean If your goanna have rules man at least stick with them throughout you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I remember how it was such a big deal that Leo healed Piper in "Awakened," even getting his wings clipped because of it. Compare that to the later seasons, where Leo was bringing this sisters back all the time without any consequences or drawbacks. Wow! Never thought of it before, but you're absolutely right. Would that also explain "Oh, My Goddess!" which fits in so well with that definition - especially all of the promo shots of the sisters as goddesses that we saw during the hiatus between Five and Six? Oh, definitely. It's obvious that the WB used these costume episodes for promotional material, which is why the majority of them were at the beginnings of seasons (and sometimes at the very end, as was the case with "Oh, My Goddess"). |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 11, 2015 11:23:30 GMT -5
Exactly so, they could of have the sisters use potions to fix injuries, or something. I'm not too sure one of the sisters having healing powers would be a good idea, but I'd take that over whitelighters. The sisters having a magical doctor around all the time often ruined suspense. You knew that they would instantly be better by the end of the episode because Leo could just hold up his hand and voila. It's also why someone dying was usually A HUGE YAWN! Unless their name was Prue, you knew they'd come back to life by the end of the episode. I mean in "Kill Billie, Vol 2" even Piper knew that Phoebe wouldn't stay dead for long. They should've each "died" once and that was it! That was Kern's biggest problem - the only time there were consequences was when it fit his plot, and then it was always totally different than the last time it was used. Well, since I've always counted "Oh, My Goddess!" and "Valhalley of the Dolls" as a single 4-part episode (the worst episode of Charmed, as far as I'm concerned), it makes sense. I will always wonder what Season Six would've been like had Brian Krause not signed his final contract and Chris exploding his atoms would've been the last we would've seen of Leo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 11:24:50 GMT -5
Leo really did become a walking Deus Ex Machina, didn't he. I was glad when he finally gave up his powers for good in Seven Year Witch.
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