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Post by pataencantada on Mar 19, 2014 1:37:39 GMT -5
I have read that this episode is considered very strong and dramatic, but I don't understand why. It's impossible for me to sympathize with the main characters when their actions are clearly stupid: Prue and Piper make Phoebe, who has no active power to protect herself, be the first one to face the demon and after that they are shocked that he killed her.
Prue: All right, let's go over the plan again.
Phoebe: Yeah, let's, because I wanna know why I'm the one answering the door.
Prue: 'Cause you're the one who knows martial arts, all right, that way if Rodriguez shows up and tries something right off the bat, you can knock him down.
Piper: And then I can come in from the living room and freeze him.
Prue: And then I can come down the stairs and send him flying.
Why? Why does Prue need this ceremonial appearance from the stairs when she can open the door and repel the attack when it gets dangerous? Does she think Phoebe's martial arts will be more efffective against a supernatural villian when Prue can protect herself with a wave of her hand?
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Post by forbuss on Mar 19, 2014 17:24:55 GMT -5
I have read that this episode is considered very strong and dramatic, but I don't understand why. It's impossible for me to sympathize with the main characters when their actions are clearly stupid: Prue and Piper make Phoebe, who has no active power to protect herself, be the first one to face the demon and after that they are shocked that he killed her. Prue: All right, let's go over the plan again. Phoebe: Yeah, let's, because I wanna know why I'm the one answering the door. Prue: 'Cause you're the one who knows martial arts, all right, that way if Rodriguez shows up and tries something right off the bat, you can knock him down. Piper: And then I can come in from the living room and freeze him. Prue: And then I can come down the stairs and send him flying. Why? Why does Prue need this ceremonial appearance from the stairs when she can open the door and repel the attack when it gets dangerous? Does she think Phoebe's martial arts will be more efffective against a supernatural villian when Prue can protect herself with a wave of her hand? Yeah, this really doesn't make sense! I really can't think of a theory that would lead Prue to think that her "plan" was a good one.. Haha. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Mar 19, 2014 22:52:28 GMT -5
I feel like I need to rewatch this episode (but I CRY!!!) to remember actual details. But I'm assuming they're not expecting him to come in with his powers like that? And do they know what his powers even are?
I don't know. it's not something I think about. I'm too busy crying throughout. It's my second favorite finale.
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Post by pataencantada on Mar 20, 2014 6:43:07 GMT -5
I didn't mean to ruin your impression about the episode, Assassin Witch, maybe there is something I missed but I really don't understand their plan this time. By the way, what is your first favourite finale?
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Post by esperanzaa on Mar 20, 2014 19:35:42 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Rodrigez was the first demon in Charmed having the power of energy balls, so all the previous demons they had battled weren't that strong at all.
and Phoebe's martial art ability always were really helping. So mavbe they thought that Phoebe could kick him first, so he became unconscious and then Prue & Piper coming
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Post by Assassin Witch on Mar 22, 2014 19:55:04 GMT -5
^ That sounds about right. *nods*
AHBL. Can't really beat S3 finale. lol
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 6, 2017 23:53:33 GMT -5
Why did they tie up Rodriguez when he was clearly an upper level demon? Also I was confused on how Tempus was vanquished.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 7, 2017 3:24:29 GMT -5
Rodriguez wasn't an upper level demon because a piece of his flesh would've being needed like with Cole or a power of three spell like with Shax to vanquish him even though the sisters or writers didn't know that at the time plus the fact he couldn't transport out although we never saw whether he could do that or not and with Tempus he wasn't vanquished only defeated like Leo said in AHBL because the sisters used his own power time against him by moving him out of that then.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 7, 2017 13:38:07 GMT -5
Gotcha, I guess I am used to demons just being able to shimmer out so I was wondering why he didn't but it was never stated that he could in the first place.
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 7, 2017 15:10:58 GMT -5
Rodriguez wasn't an upper level demon because a piece of his flesh would've being needed like with Cole or a power of three spell like with Shax to vanquish him even though the sisters or writers didn't know that at the time plus the fact he couldn't transport out although we never saw whether he could do that or not and with Tempus he wasn't vanquished only defeated like Leo said in AHBL because the sisters used his own power time against him by moving him out of that then. I agree. Rodriguez wasn't an upper level demon. Just a demon who could throw energy balls, nothing else. That's why they tied him up with his hands behind his back so he couldn't use them. Similar to what that demon tried to do to Prue in season 1 by cuffing her hands but he made the mistake of not knowing she could also channel them telepathically. Tempest on the other hand was an upper level demon and the sources right hand man. Called the Devil's sorcerer. And he could manipulate time at will. If you noticed in deja vu, when tempus was going up in flames you could see his essence turn into red flames then into sand and then it dissapeared into the sand in the hourglass as if he was made of the sands of time. Extremely difficult to defeat if not impossible. Similar to Barbas, the demon of Fear who couldn't be vanquished but only banished because he's the essence of Fear itself. Hence he kept coming back. Taking Tempus out of the time that we was in (the time loop he created) only banished him and weakened him to a point that he needed extensive time to heal. I'm not even sure when he reversed time again in AHBL that it killed him. The source told Cole that it would destroy him, but that could also mean it could just weaken him to a point where he couldn't use his powers again for a very very long time. |
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 7, 2017 17:41:17 GMT -5
It sucks that Rodriguez was a lower level demon but he was still able to kill Andy. I thought it was crazy to think that Prue just wanted to let him go but I guess they felt no threat by him anymore since he wasn't the one who really had the power.
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 7, 2017 18:37:13 GMT -5
It sucks that Rodriguez was a lower level demon but he was still able to kill Andy. I thought it was crazy to think that Prue just wanted to let him go but I guess they felt no threat by him anymore since he wasn't the one who really had the power. I always wondered if Prue made the right call to accelerate time and leave Andy dead. Even though Andy told her to let him go I felt it was still their duty to attempt to save an innocent at all cost. I also felt that just as Rodriguez was learning from his mistakes so was phoebe. Phoebe was eventually going to figure out the whole time loop thing. If time had reset one or two more times phoebe would have remembered about andy previously dying and prue insisting on using the time acelleration spell and she could have used it even before Rodriguez came to the manor the next time. Then they could deal with killing him before he came through the door. |
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 7, 2017 19:39:16 GMT -5
I would just worry that they are cutting it too close since each time he successfully killed one more sister than his previous attempts. I have also wondered why they didn't give it another try but I guess Andy convinced her. I would have said its Andy's destiny but in the first and second attempt of killing the Charmed Ones, Andy didn't go in the house.
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Post by lordumbrex on Mar 8, 2017 1:08:30 GMT -5
From the conversation between Tempus and Rodriguez, Rodriguez did in fact seem to be an Upper-Level demon. If you noticed, he was never vanquished by anything but his own energy balls, which even Upper-Level demons are capable of doing as shown by Cole attempting to kill himself with his own energy ball so the power of three or potion of his own flesh argument doesn't apply. He was an Upper-Level, I think they just changed the rules surrounding Upper-Level demons when Cole entered the picture since Litvack went out like a chump, too.
I even mentioned it in the common problems of Charmed thread, it's shocking when you go back to see the Rodriguez episode and compare him to later demons. He was captured. In a chair. And bound with ropes. Ropes.
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Post by sol on Mar 8, 2017 1:24:31 GMT -5
Maybe they were magic ropes, as the stones they sistees started to use afterwards
I agree and maybe the Cleaners'ld have taken advantage of his weakness to take his place as time regulators
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 8, 2017 2:50:26 GMT -5
From the conversation between Tempus and Rodriguez, Rodriguez did in fact seem to be an Upper-Level demon. If you noticed, he was never vanquished by anything but his own energy balls, which even Upper-Level demons are capable of doing as shown by Cole attempting to kill himself with his own energy ball so the power of three or potion of his own flesh argument doesn't apply. He was an Upper-Level, I think they just changed the rules surrounding Upper-Level demons when Cole entered the picture since Litvack went out like a chump, too. I even mentioned it in the common problems of Charmed thread, it's shocking when you go back to see the Rodriguez episode and compare him to later demons. He was captured. In a chair. And bound with ropes. Ropes. Well the mythology of Charmed always wasn't accurate. So this is only based off the early seasons. So we just do not know. But Rodriguez was gifted Tempus from The Source himself. I vaguely remember Tempus mentioning The Source but not by name. But yeah he was maybe a Upper Level demon, just not too high. Just felt more like he was a hired demon. Wasn't it later learnt the Traid was behind the attacks of season 1 and 2 in season 3. Then again they were called the Council in the second season final, and then got a name change in season 3, when Brad Kern took over and basically changed the show. |
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Post by craig on Mar 8, 2017 7:44:58 GMT -5
From the conversation between Tempus and Rodriguez, Rodriguez did in fact seem to be an Upper-Level demon. If you noticed, he was never vanquished by anything but his own energy balls, which even Upper-Level demons are capable of doing as shown by Cole attempting to kill himself with his own energy ball so the power of three or potion of his own flesh argument doesn't apply. He was an Upper-Level, I think they just changed the rules surrounding Upper-Level demons when Cole entered the picture since Litvack went out like a chump, too. I even mentioned it in the common problems of Charmed thread, it's shocking when you go back to see the Rodriguez episode and compare him to later demons. He was captured. In a chair. And bound with ropes. Ropes. Well the mythology of Charmed always wasn't accurate. So this is only based off the early seasons. So we just do not know. But Rodriguez was gifted Tempus from The Source himself. I vaguely remember Tempus mentioning The Source but not by name. But yeah he was maybe a Upper Level demon, just not too high. Just felt more like he was a hired demon. Wasn't it later learnt the Traid was behind the attacks of season 1 and 2 in season 3. Then again they were called the Council in the second season final, and then got a name change in season 3, when Brad Kern took over and basically changed the show. Is this the moment you are mentioning Ruth? So your right The Source sent Tempus as a gift to Rodrigeuz. He mentions all his other colleagues have gone missing, so nobody knew about the Charmed Ones yet. I guess word started to spread they are them well into season 2, and The Triad was the one to get this knowledge from one of the demons they sent after the Charmed Ones? Be Careful What you Witch ForHoneymoon's OverSo a majority of the demons throughout season 1 and 2 were getting orders from The Triad? Formerly known as Council in season 2 which had 5 members and not 3 like season 3. LOL what a joke that they can't remember continuity that only was a single episode proceeding it. Talk about terrible writing. |
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 8, 2017 10:29:11 GMT -5
From the conversation between Tempus and Rodriguez, Rodriguez did in fact seem to be an Upper-Level demon. If you noticed, he was never vanquished by anything but his own energy balls, which even Upper-Level demons are capable of doing as shown by Cole attempting to kill himself with his own energy ball so the power of three or potion of his own flesh argument doesn't apply. He was an Upper-Level, I think they just changed the rules surrounding Upper-Level demons when Cole entered the picture since Litvack went out like a chump, too. I even mentioned it in the common problems of Charmed thread, it's shocking when you go back to see the Rodriguez episode and compare him to later demons. He was captured. In a chair. And bound with ropes. Ropes. Now that I think of it I guess he was an upper level demon for their skill level at the time because if they were faced with an upper level demon in the later seasons I would find it hard to believe that they could all survive. I am surprised that Rodriguez didn't use his scream while they were tying him up, it seems like he used it once and forgot about it. Continuity errors became very evident in later seasons. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 8, 2017 14:44:51 GMT -5
And budget issues also being why they might've not used the same power with certain demons all the time.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 8, 2017 15:11:06 GMT -5
True, I wonder why the writers didn't have him use his scream. I wonder how they got away with unsolved cases once Morris left?
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