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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 19:15:55 GMT -5
Melinda Warren's original three powers, the sisters' powers, have nothing to do with each other? Us fans tend to get a little fixated on how believable the sisters' power advancements where, especially Phoebe's Levitation power. Similar questions were raised about the 1920s cousins' fire and ice abilities. I mean, if Melinda could have three distinct powers, shouldn't it be okay that Phoebe, not to mention nearly every demon on the show, has unrelated powers. Do we think every Warren witch just had either Telekinesis, Freezing or Premonition? Never two of these, or never a separate power?
Personally, I still kind of preferred their powers to have a commonality, but it's an interesting thought.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 25, 2014 20:34:35 GMT -5
If none of their new powers had nothing to do with Melinda Warren's original powers, I would like the power progressions even less than I do now. I like to think that the three cousins' powers had nothing to do with Melinda's because all three were evil and corrupted the powers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 16:53:06 GMT -5
If none of their new powers had nothing to do with Melinda Warren's original powers, I would like the power progressions even less than I do now. I like to think that the three cousins' powers had nothing to do with Melinda's because all three were evil and corrupted the powers. Yeah, I definitely agree. I'd always want them to inherit Melinda's three powers but, what I mean is does it really matter if the secondary powers don't really relate the the original powers because, after all, Melinda had three unrelated powers to start with. I don't know what they were thinking in terms of the cousins powers. I guess some family members may not inherit on of the 'Big Three' powers, unless the fire and ice powers were Russell's and Bowen's 'second powers' but I don't think they would have second powers because Grams and Patty didn't and they are supposed to be stronger. I prefer your suggestions that their powers were corruptions. Maybe, P. Baxter was the least evil as she had the same/similar power to Piper's. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 28, 2014 1:33:21 GMT -5
I've always thought that it's the fact that all of their powers (Paige's whitelighter powers not included) are based on Melinda Warren's original powers and the fact that they were separated into three different witches that gave them the power to access The Power of Three and be the most powerful witches ever (Wyatt and Billie & Christy excepted - *roll eyes*), which is why their secondary power being a form of their first power has always been important to me, the reason I hated Phoebe's levitation and empathy, neither of which had anything to do with seeing the future.
Now had Prue's astral projection not been shown as a power progression but instead as a totally separate power, or if they'd given her something that had nothing to do with moving things with her mind (she was moving her astral self with her mind), then I wouldn't have minded the others. As you said, it would've simply meant that as the Charmed Ones, they had progressed enough to receive two powers, not just one, and that would've been fine with me.
As is, no.
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Post by InconsistentOptimist on Jul 28, 2014 8:00:23 GMT -5
I actually don't mind the powers being unrelated to the 'power of three' powers although certain progression could have been better thought out. For example, Phoebe's empathy. I think it fit really nicely with her premonition powers on the surface, but sadly, it was all a little confusing for me. I had to really concentrate on what was happening when she first got them in order to understand them. I think they should have been able to gain secondary powers in their own right, through their progression as witches, instead of their powers 'meaning to be' extensions of their original powers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 10:11:25 GMT -5
I've always thought that it's the fact that all of their powers (Paige's whitelighter powers not included) are based on Melinda Warren's original powers and the fact that they were separated into three different witches that gave them the power to access The Power of Three and be the most powerful witches ever (Wyatt and Billie & Christy excepted - *roll eyes*), which is why their secondary power being a form of their first power has always been important to me, the reason I hated Phoebe's levitation and empathy, neither of which had anything to do with seeing the future. Now had Prue's astral projection not been shown as a power progression but instead as a totally separate power, or if they'd given her something that had nothing to do with moving things with her mind (she was moving her astral self with her mind), then I wouldn't have minded the others. As you said, it would've simply meant that as the Charmed Ones, they had progressed enough to receive two powers, not just one, and that would've been fine with me. As is, no. That's an interested theory. That could explain why Paige was able to take Prue's place (power-wise) in the Power of Three, because there was now only three siblings in that generation who were alive. Even though there were four sisters in that generation, if Prue had lived and Paige's powers had never been awakened, they still would've been Charmed. I really don't know where the hell Levitation came from, it's a puzzle. Sadly, I don't think there was much forethought on the writers behalf there. I thought Prue's AP made the best sense as a power progression (both powers are movement/mind based) but, yeah, it was still pretty flimsy. I agree, it would've been much better the the second powers were just 'new skills' that the sisters had developed. In which case, Phoebe's 'Levitation' may have made more sense, because it could've been described as a supernatural extension over her natural martial arts skills. I still would've liked Prue to have Levitation (which she basically did in Season 3) and Phoebe to have AP, which is related to Clairvoyance and ESP. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 28, 2014 10:24:19 GMT -5
*nods* So would I, just like I would've liked to have had Piper's becoming something like what Paige's was - making things move fast as opposite to making things slow down - the same way I personally would've had Paige's be EXACTLY like Prue's with no whitelighter powers at all, since I still think those powers should be earned not inherited (which also means that Wyatt and Chris wouldn't have had any whitelighter powers, nor would Prudence Melinda, nor would Paige's children - they'd all just be witches.). I still think that's one of the worst mistakes Brad Kern ever made.
Prue never actually had Levitation - when she did it, it was more an extension of the empathy she should've never had. *BUT* it would've made much more sense as a power for someone who could move things with her mind, and as you pointed out, astral projection would've made more sense with what Phoebe had, although that's also something I would've preferred she not get.
But the idea that their new power had something to do with their own non-Charmed abilities - like Phoebe's levitation coming from her martial arts - now, that's an idea I really like. If that's what it would be based on, what would Prue's, Piper's and Paige's second power be?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 10:29:49 GMT -5
I actually don't mind the powers being unrelated to the 'power of three' powers although certain progression could have been better thought out. For example, Phoebe's empathy. I think it fit really nicely with her premonition powers on the surface, but sadly, it was all a little confusing for me. I had to really concentrate on what was happening when she first got them in order to understand them. I think they should have been able to gain secondary powers in their own right, through their progression as witches, instead of their powers 'meaning to be' extensions of their original powers. I'm kind of on the fence personally. On one hand I think it would've worked better if Prue got Levitation, because she basically was using her Telekinesis to defy gravity in Season Three, and Phoebe to have AP because it is a psychic, ESP ability. However, it could've also been interesting to see them develop new, unrelated powers for fun. I have to admit, as confusing as Phoebe's Levitation gain was, it was pretty cool to watch! Personally, if they were going to stick to the 'progression from the original power' model then they had already messed up in the very beginning when they were explaining what the powers were: 'move things with the mind; stop time; see the future'. These descriptions give Prue's powers so much scope for development and Piper's and Phoebe's virtually none. Virtually anything could be passed over as 'moving things with the mind', a few which we've seen: Telekinesis, Astral Projection, Teleportation, Telekinetic Orbing etc. So, in my eyes, these were just Melinda's simple, 17th-century understandings of the power and it's kind of true because as soon as 'The Witch is Back' Phoebe's power had already grown from 'seeing the future', to also seeing the past. This is why I think her power should've been described as 'Clairvoyance', or something similar, and Piper's, 'the power to manipulate time'. If this had been the case, Phoebe could've gotten Astral Projection and Telepathy, and Piper perhaps Hyper Speed (manipulating her own 'time') and Invisibility (moving so fast she can become unseen). Then Prue might've received Levitation then some form of Energy-based power like Shielding or Shax's 'blasting' power. If they progressions had gone along these lines, they would still be 'related' to the original the power, but also completely new abilities. Although, I do agree with you. They shouldn't have bothered trying to pass Phoebe's Empathy off as an advancement of her Premonition power. It should've just been a new power that grew out of her own natural ability to empathise with people (primarily through her job), just like her Levitation could've been a natural advancement of her martial arts skills. I would've really liked this logic too; supernatural powers growing out of natural ability. It would make sense because it's not like we can't have more than one natural, unrelated skill (e.g. gymnastic and swimming). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 10:55:58 GMT -5
*nods* So would I, just like I would've liked to have had Piper's becoming something like what Paige's was - making things move fast as opposite to making things slow down - the same way I personally would've had Paige's be EXACTLY like Prue's with no whitelighter powers at all, since I still think those powers should be earned not inherited (which also means that Wyatt and Chris wouldn't have had any whitelighter powers, nor would Prudence Melinda, nor would Paige's children - they'd all just be witches.). I still think that's one of the worst mistakes Brad Kern ever made. Prue never actually had Levitation - when she did it, it was more an extension of the empathy she should've never had. *BUT* it would've made much more sense as a power for someone who could move things with her mind, and as you pointed out, astral projection would've made more sense with what Phoebe had, although that's also something I would've preferred she not get. But the idea that their new power had something to do with their own non-Charmed abilities - like Phoebe's levitation coming from her martial arts - now, that's an idea I really like. If that's what it would be based on, what would Prue's, Piper's and Paige's second power be? The only 'time-related' power I can think of for Piper is Hyper Speed, but it's not really Hyper Speed exactly. She would be able to 'slow down' time (I'm thinking like P. Baxter in Pardon My Past) so she would appear to be moving at Hyper Speed to everyone else. But I suppose she could get away with straight up Hyper Speed, if they explained it as her being able to 'speed up her own personal time'. I don't know, you could swing it either way, I guess. I agree on the Whitelighter comment. I would keep Paige's power as it was but just not orb-based, so she would still be 'movingv things with her mind' and would still have to call for things - the only non-WL way I can remember was when one of the Valkyries transported a knife to themselves. Then she could even learn to Teleport later on (as Fading, Blinking or whatever) so she was similar to Prue but not exactly the same. The half-WL idea became rubbish because the Witch side of these characters was completely neglected and they were born with too many powers right away. No, Prue never could levitate, it was more of an enhanced agility. She displayed it quite a few times after Primrose Empath. She ran up a wall in 'Blinded by the Whitelighter', she did a somersault roll in the air in 'Power Outage' and she jumped VERY high in 'Wrestling with Demons' when kicking the wrestler demons, as well as another few flip-kick moves. Billie did the same thing in Season 8 a few times, as well, so I can only assume it stems from Telekinesis. So, if Prue had gotten proper Levitation or Flight soon after, it would've made perfect sense, for sure. But it annoyed me that Prue, almost overnight, became this kickass fighter because that was meant to be Phoebe's deal. I mean, in Wrestling with Demons, Prue is the one jumping in the air, kicking behind whereas Phoebe is supposed to be the one who can Levitate? It made no sense. Did Prue have to be good at everything? So, what would you prefer Phoebe to have instead of AP? Some other ESP power? Oh god, we could have so much fun debating the advancement-via-natural-ability. Maybe Phoebe could've gotten some form of enhanced agility instead of levitation, or perhaps enhanced strength? I also quite like the idea of her having Phasing power, my explanation being that her premonition power is a 'second sight' so if she could 'Phase' so would technically be turning her other 'senses' on and off at will. Either that or Invisibility: she can has 'foresight' and can make herself 'unseen'. I really have no idea what Piper could get. She's not a very physical being, so maybe something like Shapeshifting, because she's so many different 'roles' to so many different people: wife, mother, sister, boss. Or something that taps into her 'protector' role, like Forcefields. I think Prue could've gotten some form of fire power, or even Piper's explosion power (I'm imagining her to be like Jean Grey). She was always the 'offensive one', but then again she's also incredible smart, so she might suit a mental power like Telepathy. As for Paige, I feel, despite being half-WL, she always needed a more 'caring' power that reminded us that she used to be a social worker. So maybe Sensing or Empathy? The possibilities are endless, what do you think? |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 28, 2014 12:47:13 GMT -5
The only reason why I agree with others that Piper's power has nothing to do with time manipulation and instead became something to do with molecular manipulation - slowing them down or speeding them up - was when she was able to freeze only a demon's head. No way you can explain that by time manipulation, not without killing said demon. Slowing down molecules to the point where they appeared to freeze was probably what Melinda Warren's original power looks like.
I much would've preferred something like what you suggest - Piper going hyperspeed by slowing down time around her - but that's not what happened. As soon as they always talked about freezing things rather than freezing time, her power was no longer about time manipulation as it should've been.
I wouldn't use Phoebe's second sight as a way of coming up with her second power, since that would be based on her Charmed power, and we want something that isn't. More and more, levitation or enhanced agility makes sense, with levitation making the most sense.
For Prue, perhaps a shield like Wyatt's, but one she could extend to her sisters would make sense, since that - protecting them - was always such a big part of her personality. Or perhaps it would be something like what Leo did with Daisy in "Love Hurts".
I wouldn't give that to Piper - she was always much more concerned about herself than others, even after she became the so-called leader. Now being able to make herself and/or her kids invisible (which she did anyway the way she'd ignore them) would make the most sense for her.
The funny thing is I can see Paige's extra power (her Charmed power would be just like Melinda Warren's, which would also be just like Prue's) being whitelighter-like, but not healing or orbing or glamouring or any of those other extra whitelighter powers that truly had nothing to do with being a whitelighter; they were just extras. A whitelighter was supposed to be a guide, which is what Paige did so well as an assistant social worker, so I think her extra power should be telepathy - able to read other's minds so she'd be able to help them.
So for me, here would be the powers:
PRUE: Telekinesis and shielding
PIPER: Molecular freezing only and ability to make people invisible
PHOEBE: Premonitions and levitation
PAIGE: Telekinesis (exactly like Prue's - she's not a whitelighter - so no need for Piper to be able to blow things up) and telepathy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 13:50:23 GMT -5
The only reason why I agree with others that Piper's power has nothing to do with time manipulation and instead became something to do with molecular manipulation - slowing them down or speeding them up - was when she was able to freeze only a demon's head. No way you can explain that by time manipulation, not without killing said demon. Slowing down molecules to the point where they appeared to freeze was probably what Melinda Warren's original power looks like. I much would've preferred something like what you suggest - Piper going hyperspeed by slowing down time around her - but that's not what happened. As soon as they always talked about freezing things rather than freezing time, her power was no longer about time manipulation as it should've been. I wouldn't use Phoebe's second sight as a way of coming up with her second power, since that would be based on her Charmed power, and we want something that isn't. More and more, levitation or enhanced agility makes sense, with levitation making the most sense. For Prue, perhaps a shield like Wyatt's, but one she could extend to her sisters would make sense, since that - protecting them - was always such a big part of her personality. Or perhaps it would be something like what Leo did with Daisy in "Love Hurts". I wouldn't give that to Piper - she was always much more concerned about herself than others, even after she became the so-called leader. Now being able to make herself and/or her kids invisible (which she did anyway the way she'd ignore them) would make the most sense for her. The funny thing is I can see Paige's extra power (her Charmed power would be just like Melinda Warren's, which would also be just like Prue's) being whitelighter-like, but not healing or orbing or glamouring or any of those other extra whitelighter powers that truly had nothing to do with being a whitelighter; they were just extras. A whitelighter was supposed to be a guide, which is what Paige did so well as an assistant social worker, so I think her extra power should be telepathy - able to read other's minds so she'd be able to help them. So for me, here would be the powers: PRUE: Telekinesis and shielding PIPER: Molecular freezing only and ability to make people invisible PHOEBE: Premonitions and levitation PAIGE: Telekinesis (exactly like Prue's - she's not a whitelighter - so no need for Piper to be able to blow things up) and telepathy I never understood that logic though because Piper never once just froze a head she UNfroze heads, meaning the demon's head was technically in a different time than the rest of the body. Even if Piper was just slowing down molecules, couldn't we still call it time manipulation, but just for individual people/objects just not time itself. It's more like arresting one's speed in time. I just hated the molecular manipulation explanation. I don't know why the producers never thought of giving her a hyperspeed/bullet time power. It would've made so much more sense. That would've been enough for her, just as Telekinesis and Shielding, Premonition and Levitation would've done Prue and Phoebe. They didn't really ever need three powers each. I'm not sure about a personality power for Piper. I suppose her exploding power suited her sudden bitchy, explosive character 'development'. I think Invisibility would've been good in the early seasons because she said she felt invisible sometimes at school and in comparison to her much more extoverted sisters. If only the writers hadn't completely changed her personality. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 29, 2014 3:11:12 GMT -5
The only reason why I agree with others that Piper's power has nothing to do with time manipulation and instead became something to do with molecular manipulation - slowing them down or speeding them up - was when she was able to freeze only a demon's head. No way you can explain that by time manipulation, not without killing said demon. Slowing down molecules to the point where they appeared to freeze was probably what Melinda Warren's original power looks like. I much would've preferred something like what you suggest - Piper going hyperspeed by slowing down time around her - but that's not what happened. As soon as they always talked about freezing things rather than freezing time, her power was no longer about time manipulation as it should've been. I wouldn't use Phoebe's second sight as a way of coming up with her second power, since that would be based on her Charmed power, and we want something that isn't. More and more, levitation or enhanced agility makes sense, with levitation making the most sense. For Prue, perhaps a shield like Wyatt's, but one she could extend to her sisters would make sense, since that - protecting them - was always such a big part of her personality. Or perhaps it would be something like what Leo did with Daisy in "Love Hurts". I wouldn't give that to Piper - she was always much more concerned about herself than others, even after she became the so-called leader. Now being able to make herself and/or her kids invisible (which she did anyway the way she'd ignore them) would make the most sense for her. The funny thing is I can see Paige's extra power (her Charmed power would be just like Melinda Warren's, which would also be just like Prue's) being whitelighter-like, but not healing or orbing or glamouring or any of those other extra whitelighter powers that truly had nothing to do with being a whitelighter; they were just extras. A whitelighter was supposed to be a guide, which is what Paige did so well as an assistant social worker, so I think her extra power should be telepathy - able to read other's minds so she'd be able to help them. So for me, here would be the powers: PRUE: Telekinesis and shielding PIPER: Molecular freezing only and ability to make people invisible PHOEBE: Premonitions and levitation PAIGE: Telekinesis (exactly like Prue's - she's not a whitelighter - so no need for Piper to be able to blow things up) and telepathy I never understood that logic though because Piper never once just froze a head she UNfroze heads, meaning the demon's head was technically in a different time than the rest of the body. Even if Piper was just slowing down molecules, couldn't we still call it time manipulation, but just for individual people/objects just not time itself. It's more like arresting one's speed in time. I just hated the molecular manipulation explanation. First let's make it clear that I hate the whole molecular manipulation crap as much as you do - it was truly corrupting her power to freeze time, the same way that Prue only being able to wave her hand and squint her eyes to activate her power, when in the beginning she just thought about stuff and Roger's tie strangled him, the cream hopped from the creamer to her coffee and just the thought of "Dad" made all of the pain relievers come flying off the shelf was a corruption of her power! Even Phoebe's power to see the future suddenly also including getting to see the past, or only getting a premonition when she touched something were corruptions as far as I'm concerned. If Melinda Warren was fine with her powers as they were, so were the Charmed Ones - that was her prophecy, because again, it was them being able to access the Power of Three which made them the most powerful witches ever, *NOT* their individual powers, which is why I personally will always just prefer them having just one power. BUT I'd want that one power to *be* that power - the power to move things with the mind; the power to freeze time and the power to see the future - and all of the things that go with it, not just a single application with suddenly another application becoming a "progression". For me, "progression" was something like what happened to Prue's and Piper's powers in "Morality Bites" - progression in distance and strength as they become more comfortable with their powers as compared to a totally different one. Unfortunately that's not what happened and instead their powers developed into Prue JUST having TK (and later astral projection), Phoebe getting premonitions of the future or visions of the past by touching things and Piper freezing molecules, not time. Using time manipulation to explain her ability to just unfreeze the head makes as little sense as just freezing the head. In either case, you manipulate just the time for that area, the demon becomes decapitated and dies. Agreed totally. Again in the way we're looking at it, I don't like Piper's hyper-speed because it's too much like her current power. If you wanted both powers to have to do with their original power, with Melinda's powers, then they would be: 1. PRUE - TK and Levitation (both moving things with her mind) 2. PIPER - Freezing time and hyper-speed by slowing down time around herself (both time manipulation) 3. PHOEBE - Premonitions and astral projection (being able to go to the places that she sees) 4. PAIGE - Same as Prue, not whitelighter-affected, since she's not a whitelighter, just the daughter of one In the same way, had it been Piper or Phoebe who died, Paige would get the same as what they had. But if all of those were the case, those secondary powers are just that - secondary and not needed, not the way Piper's explosions were, turning her into the Power of One, the reason I hate it so much, since it made the Power of Three (and her two sisters) practically unneeded, which wasn't the case when Prue only had TK and couldn't use it to actually vanquish demons the way Piper could all on her own. Well, she didn't really turn into a b!tch until Leo was taken away in "Oh, My Goddess!" If as a goddess, she suddenly got that power and was able to hang onto it, perfect! before! But not before. Even Piper pissed at Prue's death wasn't really bitchy or explosive - it was pure "Let's feel sorry for poor, poor, pitiful Piper". Maybe she can make it rain...I don't know. Amen. 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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 19:07:05 GMT -5
Prue strangling Roger with his tie and moving the cream weren't corruptions because these scenarios, strictly speaking, still involved 'moving things with the mind'. It was an inconsistency of the writers' behalf that Prue suddenly could only move things optically/in a linear fashion. I agree with Phoebe and Piper's powers going way off course, though. I recently watched 'The Witch is Back' and noticed that Melinda tells Phoebe she can 'see visions of the future and the past' - well, that wasn't what she wrote in the Book of Shadows, was it? All the more reason why I wish they'd called Phoebe's power, 'clairvoyance' from the beginning.
Piper's powers took the biggest leap ever, in my opinion. I think fans have overcomplicated what her power means. All Leo ever said in Exit Strategy was that, '[her] power works by slowing down molecules', he never said it wasn't time manipulation. It was established that she couldn't manipulate 'time' on a global level, like Tempus or an Angel of Destiny but, to me, she is still doing it for a very localised area/body, and she does this by slowing down said molecules. And so, her 'blasting powers' is just forcing those molecules to move faster than their natural time, like a wind-up toy. I know it sounds clunky and you won't agree but 'molecular manipulation' is just such a crap definition.
I still don't understand how Piper freezing/unfreezing an head would mean the demon would be decapitated. Isn't it just proof of Piper's power growing, and she can now control two separate 'entities' in different times. I'd love to ask the writers what they were thinking when they came up with these ideas, because most of it is just fan speculation.
No, I'd only like Piper to have the hyper speed power if we were strictly speaking about proper progressions. Otherwise Invisibility or Phasing would've been cool. Paige is a total puzzle for me. I'd quite have liked her to have her calling-movement power (non-orb based) and a form of Teleportation. That would be enough for me (in terms of 'progression) but otherwise, I liked your idea of Telepathy for her, including the ability to 'track' innocents.
She was pretty bitchy to Paige in early S4, but I think it was justified under the circumstances. In fact, she became more surly than bitchy and quite short-tempered which I didn't understand because she'd always been quite patient beforehand. LOL at your rain comment, yeah her Titans powers did quite suit her! Although, I still loved Piper post-S4, just not as much as S1-3 Piper.
Yeah, but I loved her freezing power too much! I hated that she barely used it post-S3. It's funny because freezing and invisibility kind of have a similar effect in that they allow the user to become unseen in a way.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 30, 2014 6:19:36 GMT -5
I think at this point we can just agree to disagree., because we're both right in our opinions - just looking at it differently.
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I think at this point we can just agree to disagree., because we're both right in our opinions - just looking at it differently. How 'bout the rest of you? Yeah, that's cool. I love a good debate. Doesn't look like anyone else is bothered though!  |
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Post by cyma on Aug 1, 2014 13:54:28 GMT -5
I think at this point we can just agree to disagree., because we're both right in our opinions - just looking at it differently. How 'bout the rest of you? Yeah, that's cool. I love a good debate. Doesn't look like anyone else is bothered though! I've been reading and enjoying. And now replying  Well a short reply. Full one with powers and all when I have time. |
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I've been reading and enjoying. And now replying Well a short reply. Full one with powers and all when I have time. Looking forward to your reply, cyma  |
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Post by cyma on Aug 3, 2014 13:09:50 GMT -5
Melinda Warren's original three powers, the sisters' powers, have nothing to do with each other? Us fans tend to get a little fixated on how believable the sisters' power advancements where, especially Phoebe's Levitation power. Similar questions were raised about the 1920s cousins' fire and ice abilities. I mean, if Melinda could have three distinct powers, shouldn't it be okay that Phoebe, not to mention nearly every demon on the show, has unrelated powers. Do we think every Warren witch just had either Telekinesis, Freezing or Premonition? Never two of these, or never a separate power? Personally, I still kind of preferred their powers to have a commonality, but it's an interesting thought. I always got the impression Melinda already possessed all three powers. Like Wyatt, she was born with them, not received them as a result of power progression or secondary power she suddenly acquired from somewhere. It makes logical sense to me. If she had not possessed power of premonitions all her life, how was she able to see almost 300 years into the future? See that every generation of Halliwells after her would grow stronger until the Charmed Ones arrive? So if she had lived, ‘power progression from the original power' model would apply to her. Her original powers being telekinesis, freezing and premonitions. If a witch is already born with two unrelated powers, then okay fine. But not born and suddenly getting them without any logical explanation(Phoebe’s levitation), then yes there’s indeed a problem. Demons, warlocks and other evil beings are always out to steal powers so I’m not surprised they have unrelated powers. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 11:47:37 GMT -5
I always got the impression Melinda already possessed all three powers. Like Wyatt, she was born with them, not received them as a result of power progression or secondary power she suddenly acquired from somewhere. It makes logical sense to me. If she had not possessed power of premonitions all her life, how was she able to see almost 300 years into the future? See that every generation of Halliwells after her would grow stronger until the Charmed Ones arrive? So if she had lived, ‘power progression from the original power' model would apply to her. Her original powers being telekinesis, freezing and premonitions. If a witch is already born with two unrelated powers, then okay fine. But not born and suddenly getting them without any logical explanation(Phoebe’s levitation), then yes there’s indeed a problem. Demons, warlocks and other evil beings are always out to steal powers so I’m not surprised they have unrelated powers. I think you're probably right there, that Melinda was born with the 'Big Three' powers. I've already wrote this on another thread somewhere, but I'm beginning to think that Melinda was actually 'Charmed' herself because of this and that she self-fulfilled her own prophecy by bringing about the Power of Three, especially because her Book of Shadows is such a large source of the sisters' powers. The 'All Halliwells' Eve' episode supports this theory as well, because the Charmed Ones technically 'saved' themselves by ensuring Melinda was not kidnapped - so Melinda was always interconnected to the Charmed Ones even before her birth. As you say, Melinda had marvellous psychic abilities as she was able to see 300 years into the future and, let's not forget, even FURTHER into the future during 'The Witch is Back' during which she saw 'many more generations of [her] beautiful daughters'. We can only assume here telekinetic and freezing abilities were equally as advanced. So, I think perhaps the reason the sisters possess the Power of Three is 1). because they are simply three sisters and 2). because the each possess one of Melinda's original powers. If this is actually the case, I wouldn't have minded so much if the sisters had three different powers because, theoretically, they would be like individual 'Melindas' with separate abilities to pass onto through their line (a 'Big Three' power and two extras), but I don't think that's what the writers had in mind . If new powers did spring out of nowhere it would've been nice if they had some connection to a natural ability/personality trait (e.g. Phoebe getting Levitation because of her martial arts skills). |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Aug 5, 2014 6:09:38 GMT -5
I completely agree that Melinda possessed all three powers at first. Her prophecy said that with each generation the powers will grow until three sisters would be born who would be the "Power of Three" then. Yet now knowing that there's a fourth sister in the game, how would this fit in then? That only gives me a headache. According to why each sister had a different power, it might be because of their own personalities. Still the progression of those powers made no sense then, I think. lol I'm confused. |
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Well a short reply. Full one with powers and all when I have time.
