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Post by West on Jul 31, 2015 0:53:50 GMT -5
This was no doubt Kern's final f*ck you to Shannen Doherty. So so true. Like they couldn't have Piper travel in time and see Grams and a young Prue. Geeze that would of been something at least, in seeing Prue at all. Or even Prue writing an entry in the book of shadows like Patty and Grams did magically, or the spirit board. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 2:15:10 GMT -5
When an actor is fired, there is always bad blood.
Chuck Lorre more or less did the same thing to Charlie Sheen in the Two And A Half Men finale. The only difference is that Charlie getting fired was entirely his fault.
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Post by West on Jul 31, 2015 22:28:13 GMT -5
When an actor is fired, there is always bad blood. Chuck Lorre more or less did the same thing to Charlie Sheen in the Two And A Half Men finale. The only difference is that Charlie getting fired was entirely his fault. Very true, it happens alot. Oh yes, the charlie sheen one was his own fault. Also reminds me of some situations of bad blood on other shows. Like Cordelia on Angel, although they mended fences for her to return, or on Desperate Housewives and Edie being killed, then the feud between N icolette and Marc going to court.
Interesting how many female actresses are let go/fired because of a male showrunner. Seems alot of these people live in the past.
Hopefully one day a Charmed reboot does happen, and we can finally see the show we always wanted. With all the original sisters around for the entire series, and a series more in tone to the first few seasons. One can dream.
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 12, 2015 12:00:12 GMT -5
Hi! And thanks! That's also an interesting concept (Prue realizing good/evil aren't black and white) and totally agree with your point on Morality Bites, that's my same issue with why they attribute Prue's death to her vendetta. Yeah there wasn’t really meaning to her death, other than the reason the writers simply tossed in there, which was “Fate”. I think that one of the reasons why there is no meaning to her death is because right after she saves Dr. Griffiths, he dies. Her sacrifice seemed like it was for nothing. It’s not like she knew by reversing time she would die instead of Piper, so you can’t really say she sacrificed herself for Piper (though that would have been noble). It was all just a mishap. Also there are gaping plot holes in the season 3 finale, which is another reason why her death seemed futile. But again, it’s not like her Character’s death was intentionally written in the show to further the plot or theme. I would have handled season 4 differently as well. I mean, Evil wins at the end of season 3. A charmed one dies. A charmed one. The tone should have shifted completely. Gritty, dark, desperate, clinging to life. I think the writers should have written themselves out a different way instead of using the half sister ploy (or at least using it so soon. They should have gradually introduced it). I honestly didn't feel comfortable around Paige until... just until. I felt the same way AHBL and Charmed Again episodes are full of ideas and chance, wasted by the sword of Damocles of the closing of the series Sometimes I think it would be better that the writers paid no attention to the usually risk of closing, developping the planed plots, even at the risk of having to rustle up a final under the wire I'ld like better that Paige had come after a few episodes, not right away, the two-witches-and-an-half-demon plot was enjoyable, I loved to discover a new Piper, impetuous, cocky as she was not any more Piper but a tough Prue, I loved to see Phoebe to turn into the reasonable sister It'ld be intriguing if whave had more episodes only focused on the surviving sisters, on how they hit back in an unusual way at Prue's loss, how they changed:neither Piper nor Phoebe will be the same again Paige reacts to Piper's spell to call a lost witch going to the funeral, but she wasn't obligated to condole,she'ld leave quietly, unnoticed |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 12:54:37 GMT -5
She did begin to change her righteous anger, little-girl ideal of Good and Evil, particularly in 'Bride and Gloom' and 'Death Takes a Halliwell'. I actually thought of Prue 'volunteering' her own death in AHBL, in exchange for Phoebe and Cole's freedom. She did say in 'Sin Francisco' that she didn't feel as if her sisters needed her anymore, so it would've been interesting to really explore this in depth, and have Prue make the ultimate sacrifice'for the Greater Good', although it would be a bit bleak. Also, if this had happened, it would've made such better sense for Piper to be "Fury-ous" at Prue in HHNF.
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Post by sol on Nov 13, 2015 4:54:57 GMT -5
Prue's personality was a little bit obsessive, between a workaholic and a frenetic demon hunter there isn't so much difference
When Prue discovered that evil hierarchies were chasing her and her sisters, the only purpose of her life was defeat and protect, until to commit the foolish act of keep trying to kill Shax outdoors and without the Power of the Three
I don't think it was an Elders's choice to replace her with Paige, Elders know nothing about Paige
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Post by West on Nov 13, 2015 5:12:00 GMT -5
Prue's personality was a little bit obsessive, between a workaholic and a frenetic demon hunter there isn't so much difference When Prue discovered that evil hierarchies were chasing her and her sisters, the only purpose of her life was defeat and protect, until to commit the foolish act of keep trying to kill Shax outdoors and without the Power of the Three I don't think it was an Elders's choice to replace her with Paige, Elders know nothing about Paige I wasn't a fan of how she was written here. That was terrible, another reason why All Hell Breaks Loose isn't a great episode. Outside of its Prue's last episode and Shannen directed a fantastic episode, but Brad wrote a crappy rushed final. With everyone that happened in the season, the episode feels so out of place. We start the episode in the middle of the story, and the Cole and his fathers soul story felt more like a story that should of been the final. I guess they needed a big final, and well they needed a cliffhanger incase they lost an actress, well fire one between seasons after. |
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Post by val1993 on Nov 16, 2015 8:00:49 GMT -5
Just found something interesting: www.geocities.ws/nina_w77/shannen.htmlScroll down and you will find an interesting article "Doherty's not so 'Charmed' ways". It was published before Shannen left or was fired (04/11/2001). Does anyone have a full version of it? |
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 18, 2015 6:48:55 GMT -5
All Hell Breaks Loose is one of my favorite finals
The sisters are already in action, why and when it's not so essential, more likely the doctor is only a bait
Cyma is right, Pure's death is interesting and impactful, throughout all the episode Prue seems to run towards the disaster almost consciously, she'ld know that her biggest flaws is her pride, which makes her too reckless
I believe she was too tired, she isn't Sydney Bristow, trained since childhood to become a fighting machine,she is an expert in artwork, grew up as a normal girl and she has to face a crazy stalker, some upper level demons sent to kill her and her sisters, the pain of the empathy, the life essence who had taken possession of Piper, the children demons, a powerful warlock, a wrestling with demons to save an old friend, a black marriage in which tried to kill her sisters, a split of her personality, an Angel of Death, a cat- warlock more and more stronge every time it was vanquished,a demon equipped with the seven deadly sins, the Brotherhood, a Banshee...I think it'ld be enough even for Sydney Bristow
She was tired and she made the big mistake to drag Piper out to track down Shax and the big mistake to not stop Phobe in her dangerous attempt to reach Cole
All Hell Breaks Loose"
Piper: But frankly I'm more worried about Phoebe than Shax. We shouldn't have let her go.
Prue: Phoebe can take care of herself, Dr. Griffiths can't. (They start walking up the street.) Look, Piper, I've had a bad feeling about this. I've had one all day. If there's one thing I've learned since becoming a witch, is to trust those feelings.
Piper certainly did not help matters. She went agaisnt both Phoebe's trip to find Cole and to Prue’s purpose to leave the Manor to hunt out Shax, but as always, she was accommodating with her sisters's wishes: I think here there is beginnings of the change of Piper's personality
Maybe this is the meaning of Prue's death; the birth of the strong matriarch of the Halliwells'
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Post by sol on Nov 20, 2015 9:07:30 GMT -5
You are absolutely right!
Here there is the birth of the new Piper, no more insecure, compliant, soft!
I liked your recap of all the draining occurrences Prue had to face in few mouths, she had to be dead tired!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 21:48:22 GMT -5
The confrontation on the street outside in AHBL has always felt so wrong, so improbable to me. Piper had literally just finished saying that Shax was unlikely to attack "in broad daylight" because even Evil is "usually more insidious than that". And why was Prue so insistent that Shax would be outside, lurking around? Before Shax, whenever a demon had retreated from them, they'd simply used it as an opportunity to regroup and plan their next course of action. Why would one of the Source's top hitmen be so reckless?
If the writers had been smarter, they would've written it into the S4 premiere that the Source had in fact orchestrated the whole exposure to destroy the Charmed Ones.
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Post by davem on Dec 10, 2015 21:54:53 GMT -5
Prue's personality was a little bit obsessive, between a workaholic and a frenetic demon hunter there isn't so much difference When Prue discovered that evil hierarchies were chasing her and her sisters, the only purpose of her life was defeat and protect, until to commit the foolish act of keep trying to kill Shax outdoors and without the Power of the Three I don't think it was an Elders's choice to replace her with Paige, Elders know nothing about Paige I wasn't a fan of how she was written here. That was terrible, another reason why All Hell Breaks Loose isn't a great episode. Outside of its Prue's last episode and Shannen directed a fantastic episode, but Brad wrote a crappy rushed final. With everyone that happened in the season, the episode feels so out of place. We start the episode in the middle of the story, and the Cole and his fathers soul story felt more like a story that should of been the final. I guess they needed a big final, and well they needed a cliffhanger incase they lost an actress, well fire one between seasons after. To this day I still have no idea wtf was going on down in the underworld in AHBL lol I mean it feels like for half of the episode Phoebe and Cole were just standing around doing jack. Wow I've been away so long, I had no idea people were even replying! So many great points! |
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Post by davem on Dec 10, 2015 22:01:35 GMT -5
The confrontation on the street outside in AHBL has always felt so wrong, so improbable to me. Piper had literally just finished saying that Shax was unlikely to attack "in broad daylight" because even Evil is "usually more insidious than that". And why was Prue so insistent that Shax would be outside, lurking around? Before Shax, whenever a demon had retreated from them, they'd simply used it as an opportunity to regroup and plan their next course of action. Why would one of the Source's top hitmen be so reckless? If the writers had been smarter, they would've written it into the S4 premiere that the Source had in fact orchestrated the whole exposure to destroy the Charmed Ones. Agreed. Also didn't they kind of leave Dr. Griffiths alone in the house (no offense leo and phoebe, but) unprotected? I feel that's just not something that would have happened on a regular basis. |
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Post by davem on Dec 10, 2015 23:33:16 GMT -5
Hi! And thanks! That's also an interesting concept (Prue realizing good/evil aren't black and white) and totally agree with your point on Morality Bites, that's my same issue with why they attribute Prue's death to her vendetta. Yeah there wasn’t really meaning to her death, other than the reason the writers simply tossed in there, which was “Fate”. I think that one of the reasons why there is no meaning to her death is because right after she saves Dr. Griffiths, he dies. Her sacrifice seemed like it was for nothing. It’s not like she knew by reversing time she would die instead of Piper, so you can’t really say she sacrificed herself for Piper (though that would have been noble). It was all just a mishap. Also there are gaping plot holes in the season 3 finale, which is another reason why her death seemed futile. But again, it’s not like her Character’s death was intentionally written in the show to further the plot or theme. I would have handled season 4 differently as well. I mean, Evil wins at the end of season 3. A charmed one dies. A charmed one. The tone should have shifted completely. Gritty, dark, desperate, clinging to life. I think the writers should have written themselves out a different way instead of using the half sister ploy (or at least using it so soon. They should have gradually introduced it). I honestly didn't feel comfortable around Paige until... just until. I felt the same way AHBL and Charmed Again episodes are full of ideas and chance, wasted by the sword of Damocles of the closing of the series Sometimes I think it would be better that the writers paid no attention to the usually risk of closing, developping the planed plots, even at the risk of having to rustle up a final under the wire I'ld like better that Paige had come after a few episodes, not right away, the two-witches-and-an-half-demon plot was enjoyable, I loved to discover a new Piper, impetuous, cocky as she was not any more Piper but a tough Prue, I loved to see Phoebe to turn into the reasonable sister It'ld be intriguing if whave had more episodes only focused on the surviving sisters, on how they hit back in an unusual way at Prue's loss, how they changed:neither Piper nor Phoebe will be the same again Paige reacts to Piper's spell to call a lost witch going to the funeral, but she wasn't obligated to condole,she'ld leave quietly, unnoticed Yes! I loved the two sister dynamic and would love to have seen them more before Paige came in. I really would have liked to seen the theme of their survival brought to fruition as well. Maybe piper goes on a personal demon vendetta (kind of like what Paige saw in Centennial Charmed minus the leather and stilettos xD) and that's where the words "you don't want to end up like Prue" would come in. Also, since the source thinks the charmed line is broken, he surfaces or sends out more of his forces to...idk... do bad? lol So "the power of two will have to do" (Hell if Willow, Xander, and Giles can fight vampires for a whole summer without Buffy, then I believe in phoebe and piper lol) There's an influx of crime, which Paige notices at her social worker job. Darryl is affected too. (I like Darryl, to me he really became a part of the family or close friends, even in earlier seasons with Prue.) Paige is gradually introduced throughout the beginning of the season. Her being their sister would be suggested/hinted at throughout the season. Maybe a certain white-lighter assumes an identity in Paige's life to protect his daughter closely.Lol but I'm getting carried away with random ideas. Just talking out my a** haha |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 10, 2015 23:44:31 GMT -5
I felt the same way AHBL and Charmed Again episodes are full of ideas and chance, wasted by the sword of Damocles of the closing of the series Sometimes I think it would be better that the writers paid no attention to the usually risk of closing, developping the planed plots, even at the risk of having to rustle up a final under the wire I'ld like better that Paige had come after a few episodes, not right away, the two-witches-and-an-half-demon plot was enjoyable, I loved to discover a new Piper, impetuous, cocky as she was not any more Piper but a tough Prue, I loved to see Phoebe to turn into the reasonable sister It'ld be intriguing if whave had more episodes only focused on the surviving sisters, on how they hit back in an unusual way at Prue's loss, how they changed:neither Piper nor Phoebe will be the same again Paige reacts to Piper's spell to call a lost witch going to the funeral, but she wasn't obligated to condole,she'ld leave quietly, unnoticed Yes! I loved the two sister dynamic and would love to have seen them more before Paige came in. Actually, as Assassin Witch suggested, I would've liked to have seen them skip Paige and just try to survive with two witches who couldn't use the Power of Three along with a half-demon and a whitelighter, especially if Phoebe suddenly found herself with both premonitions and TK (no need of any other power) Yeah, but it made for fun reading - even if I would've preferred if you kept Buffy out of it since I don't like that show. |
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Post by davem on Dec 11, 2015 0:35:03 GMT -5
Yes! I loved the two sister dynamic and would love to have seen them more before Paige came in. Actually, as Assassin Witch suggested, I would've liked to have seen them skip Paige and just try to survive with two witches who couldn't use the Power of Three along with a half-demon and a whitelighter, especially if Phoebe suddenly found herself with both premonitions and TK (no need of any other power) Yeah, but it made for fun reading - even if I would've preferred if you kept Buffy out of it since I don't like that show. Oh yeah I actually have a scenario for that too lol (My preferred alternate) I was just trying to see how things would work if they wanted to keep the third sister deal. Also Idk why it said "I disagree" in my post b/c that's not what I wrote haha |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 22:05:01 GMT -5
Yes! I loved the two sister dynamic and would love to have seen them more before Paige came in. Actually, as Assassin Witch suggested, I would've liked to have seen them skip Paige and just try to survive with two witches who couldn't use the Power of Three along with a half-demon and a whitelighter, especially if Phoebe suddenly found herself with both premonitions and TK (no need of any other power) Maybe in that case Paige's could've been the Halliwells' cousin, through Grams brother, as in my Dream Series. Hell, the only needed to Po3 to vanquish the Source anyway, they might as well have had Prue temporarily possess Paige so they could access the Power of Three. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 12, 2015 22:21:55 GMT -5
Actually, as Assassin Witch suggested, I would've liked to have seen them skip Paige and just try to survive with two witches who couldn't use the Power of Three along with a half-demon and a whitelighter, especially if Phoebe suddenly found herself with both premonitions and TK (no need of any other power) Maybe in that case Paige's could've been the Halliwells' cousin, through Grams brother, as in my Dream Series. Hell, the only needed to Po3 to vanquish the Source anyway, they might as well have had Prue temporarily possess Paige so they could access the Power of Three. No, if you only had the Power of Two, I'd prefer Paige not being part of it at all - of having her never existed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 0:32:49 GMT -5
The problem is that, from the word go, the show kept making a big deal of the Power Of Three. Power Of Three this, Power Of Three that.
I guess it never occurred to anyone that they'd lose one of their lead actors. When that happened, they had no choice but to bring in a new actor and they had to make the character the actor played another sister in order to restore the Power Of Three .
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Post by Sadrick on Dec 13, 2015 9:23:08 GMT -5
The problem is that, from the word go, the show kept making a big deal of the Power Of Three. Power Of Three this, Power Of Three that. I guess it never occurred to anyone that they'd lose one of their lead actors. When that happened, they had no choice but to bring in a new actor and they had to make the character the actor played another sister in order to restore the Power Of Three . Well in regards to the power which the trio provided, by the time Prue was killed she had advanced to such a level that her nickname was "Super Witch". Don't forget she did manage to vanquish a demon as powerful as Shax with only Piper's help; who by her own admittance stated that the reason two of them could accomplish such a feat in the first place was because of how strong Prue had become. I think if it had been her and Piper who survived, the damage caused wouldn't have been quite as severe. Sure, the Power of Three would technically cease to exist, but they would be in a much better position, power wise, than when the oldest sister was killed. |
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