So what breed are Paige's twins and her son?

[jdpm1991]

Since Henry is mortal, are her twins and Henry Jr., Half-Witch and Half-Whitelighter like their mother, Or are they full on Warren Witches and half mortal.

[Deleted]

As I see it, they're all plain, vanilla mortals.  Paige and Henry adopted their children.

Wyatt and Chris are enough magical kids in the family.  No need for others.

[lilchi7212]

Nov 20, 2015 21:48:19 GMT -5 jdpm1991 said:

Since Henry is mortal, are her twins and Henry Jr., Half-Witch and Half-Whitelighter like their mother, Or are they full on Warren Witches and half mortal.

In the comic books Paige's twins are part witch/part white lighter and Henry Jr. is human since he was adopted

[Deleted]

Technically they should each have potential to exhibit all the whitelighter abilities their mother did but the comics have made Paige's twins have witch powers only. Henry Jr. is adopted which I didn't like because I liked that there was another next gen boy descended from the Warren line besides Wyatt & Chris. What's even more idiotic is in the comics, the elders granted Piper's daughter witchlighter abilities even though Leo was a mortal when he and Piper conceived her.

Paige's daughters & son(I don't believe he was meant to be an adopted child) should at least have one whitelighter ability. Like one twin can heal, the other can orb, and Henry Jr has TK orbing. Sort of like how Chris could orb but he couldn't heal.

To really answer your question, Paige's kids are a quarter whitelighter if we're to go by what the show tells us.

[Esmeralda]

Nov 20, 2015 21:48:19 GMT -5 jdpm1991 said:

Since Henry is mortal, are her twins and Henry Jr., Half-Witch and Half-Whitelighter like their mother, Or are they full on Warren Witches and half mortal.

So since the Charmed Ones' father is mortal (and from what we can tell, so was their grandfather), does that make the most powerful witches ever were only 1/8th witches???

Of course not. As long as they had witches in their family (in this case the maternal line, but that's just because they were Warrens), they were full witches.

The same is true for children with whitelighter in their blood. Witchlighter means witch with whitelighter powers. That's what Paige's twins are - exactly like their cousins, Wyatt and Chris (not Prudence Melinda since Leo wasn't a whiteligher when they created her.).

The same would be true for Phoebe's daughters if they married a cupid - their children would still be witches with cupid powers.

None of them are halves. That would only be true if whitelighters were originally whitelighters and not mortals who were given their wings after their death. They're still all witches, just in Paige's case, a witch with more whitelighter powers than witch. But she's still a witch with whitelighter powers, just like her kids would be.

[sol]

Nov 21, 2015 0:21:17 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Nov 20, 2015 21:48:19 GMT -5 jdpm1991 said:

Since Henry is mortal, are her twins and Henry Jr., Half-Witch and Half-Whitelighter like their mother, Or are they full on Warren Witches and half mortal.

So since the Charmed Ones' father is mortal (and from what we can tell, so was their grandfather), does that make the most powerful witches ever were only 1/8th witches???

Of course not. As long as they had witches in their family (in this case the maternal line, but that's just because they were Warrens), they were full witches.

The same is true for children with whitelighter in their blood. Witchlighter means witch with whitelighter powers. That's what Paige's twins are - exactly like their cousins, Wyatt and Chris (not Prudence Melinda since Leo wasn't a whiteligher when they created her.).

The same would be true for Phoebe's daughters if they married a cupid - their children would still be witches with cupid powers.

None of them are halves. That would only be true if whitelighters were originally whitelighters and not mortals who were given their wings after their death. They're still all witches, just in Paige's case, a witch with more whitelighter powers than witch. But she's still a witch with whitelighter powers, just like her kids would be.

I disagree, Esmeralda


I agree that if the magic power is hereditary, so either you're a witch or you're not, you can't be half witch as if your father is blond but you inherit the hair color of your mother and are brunette, you are brunette, not half brunette


The reason is that the witches are human, but Whitelighter arent' human, so  if you have a father Whitelighter, you have half genetic make up nonhuman, if only your grandfather is a Whitelighter, you own a quarter of non-human genetic heritage

As my friend Leonor, her mother is Spanish, her father is half Spanish and half Slovenian, according to your reasoning she should be half Spanish and half Slovenian and she isn't


I agree on one thing: Paige Wyatt and Chris were more than enough as half breed!

I'ld like bettere that the cousins were all just witches or, better yet,  powerless,  since the Warren dynasty reached the culmination

[adzpower]

OMG when I saw the title of this thread I started laughing because it made me think of them as horses or something.

[Esmeralda]

Nov 23, 2015 11:24:06 GMT -5 sol said:

Nov 21, 2015 0:21:17 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

So since the Charmed Ones' father is mortal (and from what we can tell, so was their grandfather), does that make the most powerful witches ever were only 1/8th witches???

Of course not. As long as they had witches in their family (in this case the maternal line, but that's just because they were Warrens), they were full witches.

The same is true for children with whitelighter in their blood. Witchlighter means witch with whitelighter powers. That's what Paige's twins are - exactly like their cousins, Wyatt and Chris (not Prudence Melinda since Leo wasn't a whiteligher when they created her.).

The same would be true for Phoebe's daughters if they married a cupid - their children would still be witches with cupid powers.

None of them are halves. That would only be true if whitelighters were originally whitelighters and not mortals who were given their wings after their death. They're still all witches, just in Paige's case, a witch with more whitelighter powers than witch. But she's still a witch with whitelighter powers, just like her kids would be.

I disagree, Esmeralda


I agree that if the magic power is hereditary, so either you're a witch or you're not, you can't be half witch as if your father is blond but you inherit the hair color of your mother and are brunette, you are brunette, not half brunette


The reason is that the witches are human, but Whitelighter arent' human, so  if you have a father Whitelighter, you have half genetic make up nonhuman, if only your grandfather is a Whitelighter, you own a quarter of non-human genetic heritage

As my friend Leonor, her mother is Spanish, her father is half Spanish and half Slovenian, according to your reasoning she should be half Spanish and half Slovenian and she isn't

I agree on one thing: Paige Wyatt and Chris were more than enough as half breed!

I'ld like bettere that the cousins were all just witches or, better yet,  powerless,  since the Warren dynasty reached the culmination

On the last part I'll TOTALLY agree.

The rest I can't, for a very simple reason. Despite them teasing Paige about being a half-breed, she wasn't. The one thing you've forgotten about all of those nationalities is that is their nationality, *not* their "breed". Their breed is human. They are all humans. And keep in in mind that if whitelighters and witches were not the same breed, although *they* could have children, their children could not - basic genetics. So the fact that Sam and Patty had a child who had children tells you that Sam and Patty are the same breed - human - just like their daughter and just like their grandchildren.

Also the fact that there are black whitelighters, Spanish whitelighters, German whitelighters, Native whitelighters, etc., shows that whitelighter is *not* a different breed than witches, particularly when there are many whitelighters but none of their parents were whitelighters except for Sam's child and Leo's sons.

If you could only become a full whitelighter because your parents were whitelighters when they were alive, the way you can only become a magical witch if your parents' parents' parents' parents...parents were witches (and according to you, they'd be 1/128th witch or less, hardly the strongest witches ever), then I'd agree that they're different.

But they're not.

They're still just humans with special powers - in witchlighter cases, both witch and whitelighter, which all of Paige's kids would also have and which would be just as strong as Paige's and their cousins Wyatt and Chris.

So the answer to the original question:

Sonce Henry is mortal, are her twins and Henry Jr., Half-Witch and Half-Whitelighter like their mother, Or are they full on Warren Witches and half mortal.

is "Since the Halliwells are full Warren witches despite having a mortal father and a mortal grandfather, Paige's kids are the same as she is - a Warren witch with whitelighter powers, just like their cousins, Wyatt and Chris."

Now if you want to look at it differently due to how the show did things (since for them, having a whitelighter for a father was more important than being a Charmed One, so Wyatt and Chris would be half-whitelighter while Paige's kids would only be quarter-whitelighter and not as powerful as Wyatt and Chris), I can understand that and can agree to disagree.

It's just another thing that Kern totally screwed up in trying to make things fresh by making them different rather than sticking with the previously-established mythology.

[unakite]

The witches are mortal and human
The Warren lineage has a magical genetic makeup, passed down from one generation to the other
The Halliwell sisters, all four, are witches and Paige got whitelighter powers
Their children are witches ,with more or less strong powers,or not at all, not all witches must necessarily have powers, I think it's the ability to make spells the main gift of a witch

[erikamarie]

I always thought it made no sense to speak of a "half whitelighter"

Their breed is human. They are all humans..

I agree, if they weren't all humans, they'ld not have children
Leo was called into life and equipped with whitelighter powers, those also possessed by the Elders-Leo called them older Whitelighters
Kevin was a teenager when he received powers as Elder
So they are humans with peculiar powers and their children'ld get them or not, t depends on the genetic crosses

The twins'ld have not whitelighter powers, after all, Chris wasn't able to heal

[Esmeralda]

But anyone with any whitelighter in them has been able to orb, so the twins should be able to orb, even if they don't have any other whitelighter powers, just a Warren one.

[sol]

Sept 27, 2016 17:53:29 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

But anyone with any whitelighter in them has been able to orb, so the twins should be able to orb, even if they don't have any other whitelighter powers, just a Warren one.

Any whitelighter can orb but the twins aren't whitelighter


It is like the  Mendel  peas, there are 4 different probabilities, in this case, 50% probability that they inherit the ability to orb and 50% not
I'ld like that they didn't inherite it , Paige, Wyatt and Chris are enough

[Esmeralda]

Nov 21, 2015 0:21:17 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Nov 20, 2015 21:48:19 GMT -5 jdpm1991 said:

Since Henry is mortal, are her twins and Henry Jr., Half-Witch and Half-Whitelighter like their mother, Or are they full on Warren Witches and half mortal.

So since the Charmed Ones' father is mortal (and from what we can tell, so was their grandfather), does that make the most powerful witches ever were only 1/8th witches???

Of course not. As long as they had witches in their family (in this case the maternal line, but that's just because they were Warrens), they were full witches.

The same is true for children with whitelighter in their blood. Witchlighter means witch with whitelighter powers. That's what Paige's twins are - exactly like their cousins, Wyatt and Chris (not Prudence Melinda since Leo wasn't a whiteligher when they created her.).

The same would be true for Phoebe's daughters if they married a cupid - their children would still be witches with cupid powers.

None of them are halves. That would only be true if whitelighters were originally whitelighters and not mortals who were given their wings after their death. They're still all witches, just in Paige's case, a witch with more whitelighter powers than witch. But she's still a witch with whitelighter powers, just like her kids would be.

Nothing said has convinced me that this is not true. They're still all witches - some with whitelighter powers, some with cupid powers, but all of them are just witches. Saying you're a witchlighter is just short for witch with whitelighter powers. So Paige's twins could have any and all whitelighter powers, just like Chris - King Wyatt's the exception to all rules.

Just like all of Melinda Warren's descendants were witches with powers, all of Paige's and Piper's descendants (even their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren (like the Charmed Ones - the most powerful witches ever are Melinda Warren's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren despite having a mortal father, a mortal grandfather, a mortal great-grandfather...) would be witches with whitelighter powers no matter who any of them make children with. That's basic Charmed canon.

If Paige was the only one with whitelighter powers or if all of Wyatt's powers and all of Chris' powers were whitelighter-affected the way Paige's TK is, then I'd agree that having a whitelighter for a father changes this basic canon. But since all of Wyatt's and Chris' witch-powers aren't whitelighter-affected, then a witchlighter is very simply a witch with whitelighter powers - they're not whitelighters until they're dead, the reason Chris and Paige were such crappy guides.

[unakite]

I am against the "half idea" when we talk of humans
Kevin became an Elder but he was still a humans with Elders's powers
Leo was dead, he was resurrected or recreated with whitelighter powers, Leo often told he was dead, never told he wasn't human
Paige, Wyatt, Chris, are fully humans with witch and whitelighter powers
Cole is different because his father was human and his mother a demon, he is a true half breed, as the possible children of darklighter and humans
As happens to all humans, the various powers can be inherit or not, the parents of the Jenkins were not witches, only the maternal grandmother
The powers can be inherited in various different ways, Prue and Paige have the same power, after all, Phoebe's daughters might have the same power with different shades, such as the twins might not inherit any power, as it happened to Mrs. Jenkins

[Esmeralda]

Oct 9, 2016 12:41:36 GMT -5 unakite said:

I am against the "half idea" when we talk of humans
Kevin became an Elder but he was still a humans with Elders's powers
Leo was dead, he was resurrected or recreated with whitelighter powers, Leo often told he was dead, never told he wasn't human
Paige, Wyatt, Chris, are fully humans with witch and whitelighter powers
Cole is different because his father was human and his mother a demon, he is a true half breed, as the possible children of darklighter and humans
As happens to all humans, the various powers can be inherit or not, the parents of the Jenkins were not witches, only the maternal grandmother
The powers can be inherited in various different ways, Prue and Paige have the same power, after all, Phoebe's daughters might have the same power with different shades, such as the twins might not inherit any power, as it happened to Mrs. Jenkins

No, Prue and Paige don't have the same power - Prue has the witch version of moving things with her mind while Paige has the whitelighter version. It's Prue and Chris who have the same power, part of why I always thought that Chris was the reincarnation of Prue.

Otherwise I agree, although I still think that in the Charmedverse, the way "angel" Leo is human, so are warlocks and demons - neither they or the Elders or the Angel of Destiny are angels or devils in the Christian sense any more than the Source is Satan since Satan can't be vanquished any more than God can. This means that Cole is also human but with demonic powers, including the power to turn into Belthazor which is what Phoebe's potion took away from him - although all the evil he had done as Belthazor was actually done by Cole - they are one and the same. So his children would also be human and if his and Phoebe's child had lived, it would've been human with both witch and demonic powers. And no matter how many generations pass, the powers are still the same and just as strong, so the answer to the original question is that Paige's children would be human with both witch and whiteligher powers just as powerful as Chris' or Piper's daughter - Wyatt is an exception to all rules including never should've ever been created but just should've been a witch named Melinda.

Truly, from what I can tell the only character on Charmed whose "breed" wasn't human was Kit - and she used to be.

[sol]

Oct 9, 2016 15:33:15 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Oct 9, 2016 12:41:36 GMT -5 unakite said:

I am against the "half idea" when we talk of humans
Kevin became an Elder but he was still a humans with Elders's powers
Leo was dead, he was resurrected or recreated with whitelighter powers, Leo often told he was dead, never told he wasn't human
Paige, Wyatt, Chris, are fully humans with witch and whitelighter powers
Cole is different because his father was human and his mother a demon, he is a true half breed, as the possible children of darklighter and humans
As happens to all humans, the various powers can be inherit or not, the parents of the Jenkins were not witches, only the maternal grandmother
The powers can be inherited in various different ways, Prue and Paige have the same power, after all, Phoebe's daughters might have the same power with different shades, such as the twins might not inherit any power, as it happened to Mrs. Jenkins

No, Prue and Paige don't have the same power - Prue has the witch version of moving things with her mind while Paige has the whitelighter version. It's Prue and Chris who have the same power, part of why I always thought that Chris was the reincarnation of Prue.

Otherwise I agree, although I still think that in the Charmedverse, the way "angel" Leo is human, so are warlocks and demons - neither they or the Elders or the Angel of Destiny are angels or devils in the Christian sense any more than the Source is Satan since Satan can't be vanquished any more than God can. This means that Cole is also human but with demonic powers, including the power to turn into Belthazor which is what Phoebe's potion took away from him - although all the evil he had done as Belthazor was actually done by Cole - they are one and the same. So his children would also be human and if his and Phoebe's child had lived, it would've been human with both witch and demonic powers. And no matter how many generations pass, the powers are still the same and just as strong, so the answer to the original question is that Paige's children would be human with both witch and whiteligher powers just as powerful as Chris' or Piper's daughter - Wyatt is an exception to all rules including never should've ever been created but just should've been a witch named Melinda.

Truly, from what I can tell the only character on Charmed whose "breed" wasn't human was Kit - and she used to be.

Very fascinating pint of view, Es

I agree about humans with whitelighter and witch powers,it'ld be  a liberation if we abrogated al this half

EVen Chris, who started it, dind't tell "half"

Chris Crossed

Chris: I'm a witch too. That's right. Part witch, part Whitelighter. Just like you, Paige.


Part, meaning that his powers were part witch and part whitelighter, not as he was split in two different species
Piper never spoke of her kids as they were not full humans



About demons.. I prefer as they were not humans, with different ageing, different feelings

About the various angel..I dont' think of them as the Christian angel but only as magical creature with a lot of political power

A pagan schema, far away from religion, as Vincent Duke wished

[Esmeralda]

Agreed, which is why I still don't think demons in the Charmedverse are a different breed, the way devils and angels are a different breed than humans in Christianity. If Cole was truly a half-breed - half-demon, half-human - he would not be able to sire children, the true sign of a half-breed. The Phoetus shows that that's not true. A witchlighter might be a totally different breed, but again, the fact that Paige was able to have children says no, they're not. They're still mortals who are witches and who happen to also whitelighter powers which are just as strong as any whitelighter's, no matter who and what their non-whitelighter parent is.

I will continue to insist that by half and half, Chris meant his powers, not his breed, because his breed was still human; he just happened to have both witch and whitelighter powers, just like Paige's future kids.

A lot of this got going with Piper and Phoebe calling Paige "half-breed". But again, that was her powers. The name was just a sign of affection not an affirmation that she wasn't pure human, which she is.

Of course, it all depends upon the definition of "breed" - That's used for different varieties of animals and if you're a quarter-horse, you're not as fast as a thoroughbred, even though your true breed is still horse.

But in Charmed, how much mortal, how much witch, how much demon and how much whitelighter you have in your heritage has nothing to do with how powerful your powers are or otherwise the strongest witches ever would have very weak powers because their dad was mortal and they'd only be half-witches, besides the fact that Allan Halliwell wasn't a witch, so that makes them quarter-witches, and if P. Baxter's husband was also mortal, they'd be one-eighth witch, which would make their powers very weak. But they aren't - their powers are as strong as Melinda Warren's. The same is true with whitelighter powers where Paige's children's whitelighter powers (if indeed they had any and I believe they would at least orb) would be as strong as Paige's which are as strong as Sam's which are as strong as Leo's which are as strong as Chris' and his sister's - Paige's children's father's blood doesn't weaken their powers at all because their blood is still pure human, just like the Halliwell sisters' blood.

[sol]

If Cole was truly a half-breed - half-demon, half-human - he would not be able to sire children, the true sign of a half-breed. The Phoetus shows that that's not true.

It was a magical conception

Why such a hurry to have a baby? So he'ld be born in the magical day in which Wyatt is born?

Or without the potion they'ld never able to have a baby?

Demon are different

Maybe darklighter are humans as the whitelighter seeing that they search women to have special kids

[Esmeralda]

Oct 10, 2016 3:36:09 GMT -5 sol said:

If Cole was truly a half-breed - half-demon, half-human - he would not be able to sire children, the true sign of a half-breed. The Phoetus shows that that's not true.

It was a magical conception

Why such a hurry to have a baby? So he'ld be born in the magical day in which Wyatt is born?

Or without the potion they'ld never able to have a baby?

Demon are different

Maybe darklighter are humans as the whitelighter seeing that they search women to have special kids

Have to admit that that makes sense, although the potion wasn't to allow Phoebe to have a baby - it was to ensure that the baby would be evil.

But I like the idea that it was given to her at that time so that that's the baby who would've been born on the special day and perhaps be the twice-cursed child rather than the twice-blessed child. It would've been a much more interesting story than Wyatt and Chris' and perhaps keep the spotlight on the sisters rather than Piper and her family.

[sol]

The Seer told that the potion'ld be of help to ensure that the baby would be evil, but the Seer was a good liar



Piper had a negative prognostication about the ability to have children, she ate the bonbon and I think she had a little help with fertility

The Day The magic Died

Stanley: The Aurora Borealis is a rare sight indeed, sir.
Cronyn: It's much more than that. Two centuries ago when I became an apprentice, I devoted my life to sorcery and the black arts. And do you know why?

Stanley: No, sir.

Cronyn: In the hope that an ancient prophecy, which my mentor kept hidden, would one day come to pass.

Stanley: Has it?

Cronyn: Well, look up. The signs are converging. The future of all magic hangs in the balance. And only I know it.

Maybe the Seer saw Cronyn and started to plot
Even Crone didn't know what was born that day, because magic was in balance, nor good or evil, only magic


Wyatt'ld be the start od a different story