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Post by Miranda Turner on Jul 14, 2017 7:08:20 GMT -5
Phoebe: I'm serious. She practiced powers. Three powers. She could move objects with her mind, see the future and stop time. Before Melinda was burned at the stake, she vowed that each generation of Warren witches would become stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of three sisters. Now, these sisters would be the most powerful witches the world has ever known. They're good witches and I think we're those sisters.
This is the basis of Charmed Melinda Warren saw her boodline becoming more and more powerful until the birth of the three sisters which will be the culmination of her family and the more powerful witches tha world has ever known She never spoke of a destiny linked to the defeat of the Source, Melinda spoke as a good witch, proud to be able to protect and help people When she met the sisters, she saw in the future beautiful daughters - not powerful witches - and I think it means that the prophecy was fullfilled, the Waren bloodline'ld live in peace She said: I see my dreams fulfilled, I think her dreams were about a serene and secure life Prue, Piper and Phoebe were the expected sisters: they have no other duty then trying to be good witches But it isn't like Melinda saw every little detail, but enough to know the Warren bloodline lives on. She never stated that each generation would get more powerful, I don't know where this theory has come from and the destiny of the Source either. That never comes up at all until Witch Way Now. But as you stated above it clearly states that each generation would get stronger but not powerful, but until the Charmed Ones who are the most powerful. None of them will ever reach the peak of what the Charmed Ones will. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Jul 14, 2017 8:14:17 GMT -5
Phoebe: I'm serious. She practiced powers. Three powers. She could move objects with her mind, see the future and stop time. Before Melinda was burned at the stake, she vowed that each generation of Warren witches would become stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of three sisters. Now, these sisters would be the most powerful witches the world has ever known. They're good witches and I think we're those sisters.This is the basis of Charmed Melinda Warren saw her bloodline becoming more and more powerful until the birth of the three sisters which will be the culmination of her family and the more powerful witches the world has ever known She never spoke of a destiny linked to the defeat of the Source, Melinda spoke as a good witch, proud to be able to protect and help people When she met the sisters, she saw in the future beautiful daughters - not powerful witches - and I think it means that the prophecy was fulfilled, the Warren bloodline'ld live in peace She said: I see my dreams fulfilled, I think her dreams were about a serene and secure life Prue, Piper and Phoebe were the expected sisters: they have no other duty then trying to be good witches And by good witches, this means protecting innocents, not defeating the Source. In other threads we've discussed when Charmed jumped the shark. I now think it did it in 'Witch Way Now?' when the Charmed Ones were told that they had fulfilled their destiny by defeating the Source. That was *never* their destiny - ESPECIALLY if the Source of All Evil was truly that - because if it truly was that, it would be something that could *never* be defeated. Yep, your right the destiny never said anything about the Source of All Evil, and your also right how can it be truly defeated. If anything they should of done something like the Hollow, having the Source contained but not killed. Zankou was locked up by the Source, so why not do the same with the Source. Either way, Charmed's version of the Devil or Lucifer was poorly executed, and other shows and movies never had the Devil killed. Where, it was only banished or contained, but never actually killed or defeated. The story of Apocalypse Now, actually would of made a better final battle. With the Source just a behind the scene's figure in the battle, and when the sisters' act of selflessness stopped the Apocalypse from happening, well that is the end of it. |
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Post by adzpower on Jul 14, 2017 9:45:17 GMT -5
Just because the prophecy didn't mention The Source, doesn't mean it wasn't a part of the their grander, overall destiny, after all, The Source was a demon, the king of all demons, and if anyone hurt innocents it was supposedly him, and he was in control of all demons, who usually attacked innocents the sisters needed to save, so its all connected, even though that wasn't the focal point of their destiny imo.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 15, 2017 8:36:16 GMT -5
Just because the prophecy didn't mention The Source, doesn't mean it wasn't a part of the their grander, overall destiny, after all, The Source was a demon, the king of all demons, and if anyone hurt innocents it was supposedly him, and he was in control of all demons, who usually attacked innocents the sisters needed to save, so its all connected, even though that wasn't the focal point of their destiny imo. Except again, the true Source of All Evil can't be vanquished as proven in Season 8. So that very obviously was not their true destiny, just like Leo killing Gideon didn't stop Wyatt from turning evil in Season 7, so obviously Gideon wasn't the one who turned him. And if getting rid of the Source was truly their destiny, I think Melinda would've seen it and would've warned the sisters during 'The Witch is Back'. She didn't. What I find interesting is that in S4-8, with the exception of wanting to name Wyatt Melinda if he was the girl he should've been, Melinda Warren is *never* mentioned - we don't know if Paige knows a thing about her. Another one of a zillion reasons why I think the last four seasons are the alternate-universe spin-off "Whitelighter" where having a whitelighter for a father is more important than having a Warren for a mother. In that world, Melinda would've warned them about the Source while also telling them the prophecy of the Twice-Blessed Child and that that would be their true destiny - protecting him - and she wouldn't recognize Prue, since the three she would've seen would be Piper, Phoebe and Paige. This means that when they're offered the choice to give up their powers, they'd know what they're getting into - do the Charmed Ones really want to spend their lives protecting the Twice-Blessed Child and constantly battling demons or not? Now in the future of "Charmed" - what comes after S1-3 - all three would survive, Paige wouldn't exist, The Source would truly possess Cole with no need to use the Hollow (doesn't exist...), the way he possessed Shane, Prue would realize it and the three would depossess Cole when they vanquish the Source, who only has that title when he has those powers. Because they vanquish him Phoebe would never become Queen of the Underworld or go on her baby's-sperm-donor hunt, and would remain Phoebs. The sisters would never have the choice of giving up their powers since their destiny will never be truly fulfilled, but instead would continue to be protecting innocents, until they decide to retire, passing on that duty to their daughters (nope, no male Warrens with powers in this world - unlike "Whitelighter", no jumping the shark). I'd prefer "Charmed" (the reason why I only have the first three DVDs), but I'm sure a lot of fans would prefer "Whitelighter", the fun of being fans. |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jul 16, 2017 7:49:51 GMT -5
How was it often said? Good and bad need each other. For a powerful good, an equal bad has to exist. They depend on each other.
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Post by universalcharmed on Jul 17, 2017 15:44:27 GMT -5
And by good witches, this means protecting innocents, not defeating the Source. In other threads we've discussed when Charmed jumped the shark. I now think it did it in 'Witch Way Now?' when the Charmed Ones were told that they had fulfilled their destiny by defeating the Source. That was *never* their destiny - ESPECIALLY if the Source of All Evil was truly that - because if it truly was that, it would be something that could *never* be defeated. Yep, your right the destiny never said anything about the Source of All Evil, and your also right how can it be truly defeated. If anything they should of done something like the Hollow, having the Source contained but not killed. Zankou was locked up by the Source, so why not do the same with the Source. Either way, Charmed's version of the Devil or Lucifer was poorly executed, and other shows and movies never had the Devil killed. Where, it was only banished or contained, but never actually killed or defeated. The story of Apocalypse Now, actually would of made a better final battle. With the Source just a behind the scene's figure in the battle, and when the sisters' act of selflessness stopped the Apocalypse from happening, well that is the end of it. She clearly states with each generation the Warren line will get stronger. EsmeraldaAlso Melinda power is premonition just like Phoebe. He statements weren't really a fact but rather what she saw at the time. She would have only saw the 3 sisters whoever they might have been but she wouldn't have seen any other witches to compare them with. Unless Melinda saw Every witch after her there is no way she could make the judgment about the Charmed ones being the most powerful witches the world would have ever known. People need to understand Melinda powers when talking about the power of 3. Phoebe has had tons of premonitions were everything wasn't what it was made out to be. I see no reason to think the same wouldn't apply to Melinda. Melinda had alot of stuff wrong and that was fine because she only sees a limited amount of stuff. Her premonition ability doesn't allow her to know every detail of the future. Also there is no way to know if Prue, Piper and Phoebe were powerful enough to take down the source. That is one huge assumption. No guarantee the events would play out the exact same way. Also it was already explained that the reason Billie was stronger than the Charmed ones(She really wasn't) was because of Prue holding them back. It literally stated in the comics. Had it been Prue, Piper, and Phoebe Billie power of projection still would have outclassed them. Unless in some fan theory Prue gained Projection. Otherwise nothing would have changed. Actually without Paige orbing ability they would have been an easier target. I see no reason Prue would have made a better power of 3 than paige. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 17, 2017 19:19:30 GMT -5
Yep, your right the destiny never said anything about the Source of All Evil, and your also right how can it be truly defeated. If anything they should of done something like the Hollow, having the Source contained but not killed. Zankou was locked up by the Source, so why not do the same with the Source. Either way, Charmed's version of the Devil or Lucifer was poorly executed, and other shows and movies never had the Devil killed. Where, it was only banished or contained, but never actually killed or defeated. The story of Apocalypse Now, actually would of made a better final battle. With the Source just a behind the scene's figure in the battle, and when the sisters' act of selflessness stopped the Apocalypse from happening, well that is the end of it. She clearly states with each generation the Warren line will get stronger. WITH IT CULMINATING (ENDING) with the Charmed Ones. Another reason why I think S4-8 is an alternate-universe spin-off. You can't trust the Charmed wiki. The editors count their head canon as fact. |
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Post by craig on Jul 17, 2017 19:41:52 GMT -5
WITH IT CULMINATING (ENDING) with the Charmed Ones. Another reason why I think S4-8 is an alternate-universe spin-off. I agree with Es on this, it never stated this. Here is exactly what she said: "You may kill me, but you cannot kill my kind. With each generation, the Warren line will grow stronger and stronger - culminating in the arrival of three sisters. Together, these three sisters will be the most powerful witches the world has ever known. They will be good witches and vanquish all kinds of evil. They will be known as the Charmed Ones." This implies, that yes each generation may get stronger until the arrival of the three sisters, who will be the strongest of the Warren Line and where it ends. The confusion is it only states that the generations will get stronger and stronger until the arrival of the Charmed Ones, where the Warren Line will reach the highest development and peak of its power. |
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Post by universalcharmed on Jul 18, 2017 0:16:54 GMT -5
WITH IT CULMINATING (ENDING) with the Charmed Ones. Another reason why I think S4-8 is an alternate-universe spin-off. Okay and what does that prove. How does that go against Season 4-8? Also clearly it wasn't another alternate universe or spin off. Rather you agree with what happened or not it still remains canon that the charms ones included Paige. Everything that happens and stated in those seasons hold just as much weight as the first 3. Melinda power is premonition meaning see doesn't see every detail just like Phoebe doesn't. Melinda was wrong about the charmed ones being the most powerful witches the world had ever known. We have Wyatt, Billie, Enchantress,Nena etc. This just shows that Melinda didn't see every witch in existence. This doesn't make the writers inconsistent either as we learned early on from Phoebe that premonitions leave out details and sometimes extremely important details. We seen this in Season 1. Why should we assume Melinda's premonitions are more accurate than Phoebes? I hate when people try to discredit stuff because they don't like it as though it didn't happen. I didn't like Phoebe and Coop yet I acknowledge it because it happened. Not going to ignore it because I don't like it. |
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Post by sol on Jul 18, 2017 1:41:46 GMT -5
WITH IT CULMINATING (ENDING) with the Charmed Ones. Another reason why I think S4-8 is an alternate-universe spin-off. Okay and what does that prove. How does that go against Season 4-8? Also clearly it wasn't another alternate universe or spin off. Rather you agree with what happened or not it still remains canon that the charms ones included Paige. Everything that happens and stated in those seasons hold just as much weight as the first 3. Melinda power is premonition meaning see doesn't see every detail just like Phoebe doesn't. Melinda was wrong about the charmed ones being the most powerful witches the world had ever known. We have Wyatt, Billie, Enchantress,Nena etc. This just shows that Melinda didn't see every witch in existence. This doesn't make the writers inconsistent either as we learned early on from Phoebe that premonitions leave out details and sometimes extremely important details. We seen this in Season 1. Why should we assume Melinda's premonitions are more accurate than Phoebes? I hate when people try to discredit stuff because they don't like it as though it didn't happen. I didn't like Phoebe and Coop yet I acknowledge it because it happened. Not going to ignore it because I don't like it. I think there is a difference between to see what could happen and prophesy what will happen: Phoebe is able to see what'ld happen but she never did a prophecy, Melinda prophesied the arrival of three sisters, the more powerful witches the world had ever seen And they were: in Morality Bites, Phoebe killed a man with her mind, Prue destroys the attic with a simple hand gesture, Piper paralyzes a whole square by accident:Billie is no one compared to them in 2009 For this reason, the Triad put in place their plan before the CO's power 'ld grow too much About the Enchantress, she was an evil witch, able to steal powers I don't know Nena, I don't read the comics and I don't care about the comics, they aren't canon Respecting Wyatt, he has Piper's strong fire power - see Imaginary Friends - a good TK power, as his little brother and a good ability to manipulate magic, the same ability the sisters can have using the Book And nothing is like the Power of Three, even Wyatt is not so powerfull, in fact the sisters are able to blind Wyatt's power |
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Post by universalcharmed on Jul 18, 2017 16:16:43 GMT -5
Okay and what does that prove. How does that go against Season 4-8? Also clearly it wasn't another alternate universe or spin off. Rather you agree with what happened or not it still remains canon that the charms ones included Paige. Everything that happens and stated in those seasons hold just as much weight as the first 3. Melinda power is premonition meaning see doesn't see every detail just like Phoebe doesn't. Melinda was wrong about the charmed ones being the most powerful witches the world had ever known. We have Wyatt, Billie, Enchantress,Nena etc. This just shows that Melinda didn't see every witch in existence. This doesn't make the writers inconsistent either as we learned early on from Phoebe that premonitions leave out details and sometimes extremely important details. We seen this in Season 1. Why should we assume Melinda's premonitions are more accurate than Phoebes? I hate when people try to discredit stuff because they don't like it as though it didn't happen. I didn't like Phoebe and Coop yet I acknowledge it because it happened. Not going to ignore it because I don't like it. I think there is a difference between to see what could happen and prophesy what will happen: Phoebe is able to see what'ld happen but she never did a prophecy, Melinda prophesied the arrival of three sisters, the more powerful witches the world had ever seen And they were: in Morality Bites, Phoebe killed a man with her mind, Prue destroys the attic with a simple hand gesture, Piper paralyzes a whole square by accident:Billie is no one compared to them in 2009 For this reason, the Triad put in place their plan before the CO's power 'ld grow too much About the Enchantress, she was an evil witch, able to steal powers I don't know Nena, I don't read the comics and I don't care about the comics, they aren't canon Respecting Wyatt, he has Piper's strong fire power - see Imaginary Friends - a good TK power, as his little brother and a good ability to manipulate magic, the same ability the sisters can have using the Book And nothing is like the Power of Three, even Wyatt is not so powerfull, in fact the sisters are able to blind Wyatt's power Phoebe and Melinda share the exact same ability. That is were the 3 abilities come from. Melinda had a premonition that only surrounded around the 3 girls. It didn't show past witches or future witches or even present witches. Just as with Phoebe premonitions the premonitions only show one or two events. Melinda didn't know the entire history of witches. Prophecy is just a fancier term for premonition. Do you think Melinda saw Ever witch in existence from past, present and future? That is the absolute only way she would be able to say the Charmed ones would be the most powerful. Unless we throw Logic out the window. Also Comics are canon. Just because you chose not to read them don't make them non canon. Also you are talking about Prue, Piper and Phoebe 10 years in the future in which morality bites took place. Even at that point Prue would be weaker than Billie, Wyatt, and Nena. Billie could travel through time and had reality warping powers. Wyatt had reality warping powers. It took the entire Warren line + Elders to take down Nena. Do you honestly think Prue feat in morality bites even compare to Billie power? You are clearly bias. Billie accidentally transformed her parents into assassins. She drained the life out of plants without knowing it. She can argument others powers. She was able to manipulate the minds of the charmed ones with ease. She can travel through time. Prue in 10 years doesn't even compare to Billie who only had her powers for like a year or at best 2yrs at this point. Billie>>>Prue. Also it was never said the Evil Enchantress stole powers. There goes another fanfiction statement. |
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Post by sol on Jul 19, 2017 1:19:18 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between to see what could happen and prophesy what will happen: Phoebe is able to see what'ld happen but she never did a prophecy, Melinda prophesied the arrival of three sisters, the more powerful witches the world had ever seen And they were: in Morality Bites, Phoebe killed a man with her mind, Prue destroys the attic with a simple hand gesture, Piper paralyzes a whole square by accident:Billie is no one compared to them in 2009 For this reason, the Triad put in place their plan before the CO's power 'ld grow too much About the Enchantress, she was an evil witch, able to steal powers I don't know Nena, I don't read the comics and I don't care about the comics, they aren't canon Respecting Wyatt, he has Piper's strong fire power - see Imaginary Friends - a good TK power, as his little brother and a good ability to manipulate magic, the same ability the sisters can have using the Book And nothing is like the Power of Three, even Wyatt is not so powerfull, in fact the sisters are able to blind Wyatt's power Phoebe and Melinda share the exact same ability. That is were the 3 abilities come from. Melinda had a premonition that only surrounded around the 3 girls. It didn't show past witches or future witches or even present witches. Just as with Phoebe premonitions the premonitions only show one or two events. Melinda didn't know the entire history of witches. Prophecy is just a fancier term for premonition. Do you think Melinda saw Ever witch in existence from past, present and future? That is the absolute only way she would be able to say the Charmed ones would be the most powerful. Unless we throw Logic out the window. Also Comics are canon. Just because you chose not to read them don't make them non canon. Also you are talking about Prue, Piper and Phoebe 10 years in the future in which morality bites took place. Even at that point Prue would be weaker than Billie, Wyatt, and Nena. Billie could travel through time and had reality warping powers. Wyatt had reality warping powers. It took the entire Warren line + Elders to take down Nena. Do you honestly think Prue feat in morality bites even compare to Billie power? You are clearly bias. Billie accidentally transformed her parents into assassins. She drained the life out of plants without knowing it. She can argument others powers. She was able to manipulate the minds of the charmed ones with ease. She can travel through time. Prue in 10 years doesn't even compare to Billie who only had her powers for like a year or at best 2yrs at this point. Billie>>>Prue. Also it was never said the Evil Enchantress stole powers. There goes another fanfiction statement. Phoebe and Melinda share the same power, we agree But Melinda, before dying, foretold the arrival of the sisters A prophecy is something that is destined to happen, unlike a premonition, which is the vision of something that could happen and could be avoided Melinda didn't see every Warren witch till the sisters, as the unknown prophet didn't see all the aurora borealis until Wyatt's birth or John the story of all humanity until the Apocalypse: Melinda had a vision, carved in stone, of the culminating of her bloodline with the most powerfull witches the world has ever known I watched a tv show, so I talk of the TV show,comics didn't have millions of readers in the world, Charmed has had millions of viewers in the world and irt's replicated regularly in tv, so I can't take into account what concerns a small circle of readers: I don't know Nena and I don't regret it I wrote that the Enchantress'ld stole power and she means nothing, she wasn't a good witch, Melinda didn't speak about all the magical world, only about witches Billie: Billie wasn't able to manipulate mind, Christy did it Billie, in the Triad plan, has to be a new Prue to arouse affection in sisters She has the very rare power of Projection, but Prue had received the power of astral projection shortly before dying, so it'ld be true that Prue'ld use it to move over time as well as in space Prue had even doubled in two people, thanks to that power, she'ld have used it more and better than Billie And the sisters used magic to project themselves in the attic In 2009 I think Prue'ld sent Billie directly into orbit through her TK, look again at Morality Bites, the power of sisters is awesome If Chris- Crossed- Wyatt had that kind of TK, Chris'ld never run away from the attic Striking is Wyatt's fire power, as we saw in Imaginary Friend, but, again, after seeing Piper's freezing power in 2009, I'ld bet that also her fire power'll grow in impressive way If Wyatt was more powerful than thePoer of Three, Piper0ld never even discuss with her sisters to block his powers About the Jenkins, they studied with doggedness the Book of Shadows, to learn spell and potion to destroy the sisters If the Charmed Ones did the same, instead of consulting it only when needed -maybe because they didn' want to kill - they'ld tear down Christy and Billie without a great effort |
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Post by unakite on Jul 19, 2017 4:28:36 GMT -5
The Halliwell sisters were able to call for the Hallow, the Jenkins had to use Wyatt to do it, this means they were not the most powerful
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Post by universalcharmed on Jul 19, 2017 8:13:00 GMT -5
Phoebe and Melinda share the exact same ability. That is were the 3 abilities come from. Melinda had a premonition that only surrounded around the 3 girls. It didn't show past witches or future witches or even present witches. Just as with Phoebe premonitions the premonitions only show one or two events. Melinda didn't know the entire history of witches. Prophecy is just a fancier term for premonition. Do you think Melinda saw Ever witch in existence from past, present and future? That is the absolute only way she would be able to say the Charmed ones would be the most powerful. Unless we throw Logic out the window. Also Comics are canon. Just because you chose not to read them don't make them non canon. Also you are talking about Prue, Piper and Phoebe 10 years in the future in which morality bites took place. Even at that point Prue would be weaker than Billie, Wyatt, and Nena. Billie could travel through time and had reality warping powers. Wyatt had reality warping powers. It took the entire Warren line + Elders to take down Nena. Do you honestly think Prue feat in morality bites even compare to Billie power? You are clearly bias. Billie accidentally transformed her parents into assassins. She drained the life out of plants without knowing it. She can argument others powers. She was able to manipulate the minds of the charmed ones with ease. She can travel through time. Prue in 10 years doesn't even compare to Billie who only had her powers for like a year or at best 2yrs at this point. Billie>>>Prue. Also it was never said the Evil Enchantress stole powers. There goes another fanfiction statement. Phoebe and Melinda share the same power, we agree But Melinda, before dying, foretold the arrival of the sisters A prophecy is something that is destined to happen, unlike a premonition, which is the vision of something that could happen and could be avoided Melinda didn't see every Warren witch till the sisters, as the unknown prophet didn't see all the aurora borealis until Wyatt's birth or John the story of all humanity until the Apocalypse: Melinda had a vision, carved in stone, of the culminating of her bloodline with the most powerfull witches the world has ever known I watched a tv show, so I talk of the TV show,comics didn't have millions of readers in the world, Charmed has had millions of viewers in the world and irt's replicated regularly in tv, so I can't take into account what concerns a small circle of readers: I don't know Nena and I don't regret it I wrote that the Enchantress'ld stole power and she means nothing, she wasn't a good witch, Melinda didn't speak about all the magical world, only about witches Billie: Billie wasn't able to manipulate mind, Christy did it Billie, in the Triad plan, has to be a new Prue to arouse affection in sisters She has the very rare power of Projection, but Prue had received the power of astral projection shortly before dying, so it'ld be true that Prue'ld use it to move over time as well as in space Prue had even doubled in two people, thanks to that power, she'ld have used it more and better than Billie And the sisters used magic to project themselves in the attic In 2009 I think Prue'ld sent Billie directly into orbit through her TK, look again at Morality Bites, the power of sisters is awesome If Chris- Crossed- Wyatt had that kind of TK, Chris'ld never run away from the attic Striking is Wyatt's fire power, as we saw in Imaginary Friend, but, again, after seeing Piper's freezing power in 2009, I'ld bet that also her fire power'll grow in impressive way If Wyatt was more powerful than thePoer of Three, Piper0ld never even discuss with her sisters to block his powers About the Jenkins, they studied with doggedness the Book of Shadows, to learn spell and potion to destroy the sisters If the Charmed Ones did the same, instead of consulting it only when needed -maybe because they didn' want to kill - they'ld tear down Christy and Billie without a great effort Labeling it a prophecy doesn't change that Melinda had a premonition. What don't you understand about Melinda's powers? Her powers never fully developed as the sisters did and even by Season 8 Phoebe premonitions weren't always accurate or what she thought they were. She also only sees an event not the history of something. Also stop with Prue and that Astral projection stuff. By the end of Season 7 all the sisters developed Astral Projection. Even the Library teacher developed it. Also Astral Projection and Projection are two different powers. Assuming Prue would have gain Projection is nothing but speculation. This point is mute. Also The prophecy surrounding Wyatt stated he would be an extremely powerful being not the most powerful. Thus this doesn't support your argument. This doesn't require him to know anything else beside the events regarding Wyatt. The prophecy only told of that day. Just as if Phoebe would have had a premonition of a child born on the day Magic died. When three planets burn as one over a sky of dancing light, Magic will rest on a holy day to welcome a twice blessed child If Melinda said she saw three sisters powerful enough to defeat the source of all Evil than that would be closer to the twice blessed prophecy than saying most powerful witch of all time. The Twice Bless prophecy only needs you to see Wyatt doing something powerful while the other requires you to know every witch power level past,present and future. How are these two even the same other than being "Prophecies". ^^This legit supports my argument more and makes your argument go down the drain. How does this support your argument? Twice Blessed Prophecy only surrounds a specific event. Also it has been stated time and again the charm ones knows the book of shadows inside and out. The only time they really need to consult it is if they add something, want to combine spells or if something new was added via Elders. So what does any of this have to do with Billie and Christy besting them? Also Billie used her projection power to change the minds of the sisters from killing her. Thus she mind controlled them. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jul 20, 2017 18:53:09 GMT -5
Hey, everyone! Please be respectful of members' opinions. We don't have to agree, but do not belittle, name call, or put someone down based on their opinions and interpretations (of a television show). If the discussion goes round and round in circles over the same thing, maybe it's time to shift the conversation. Agree to disagree.
This thread is originally about different scenarios on how Paige could have been introduced. Now is a good time to switch back to that premise.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 24, 2017 18:30:58 GMT -5
Hey, everyone! Please be respectful of members' opinions. We don't have to agree, but do not belittle, name call, or put someone down based on their opinions and interpretations (of a television show). If the discussion goes round and round in circles over the same thing, maybe it's time to shift the conversation. Agree to disagree. This thread is originally about different scenarios on how Paige could have been introduced. Now is a good time to switch back to that premise. As usual, our admin is absolutely right, and since I'm the one who kinda got us off track by discussing what truly happened with Paige, I figured I should be the first to suggest another scenario. Here's Deano's original post: I thought it would be a fun idea for us all to think up a scenario in which a major event from Charmed was changed or erased, one which could’ve caused a potential problem to the introduction of Paige in Season Four, and they ways we think the issue could’ve been resolved/handled. Scenario: None of the sisters died during 'All Hell Breaks Loose'. Solution: Paige is one of their innocents who, when she orbs, they discover is their half-sister. They summon Grams and Patty, and Prue gives them both whatfor for not telling them about her and ends up becoming the Fury instead of Piper. They discover that Paige has been raised by a couple of witches who were never killed and who she continues to live with - she never moves into the Manor - and she never had her whitelighter powers until Phoebe said the spell that made Paige's half-sisters Charmed. Paige is the world's first living whitelighter - she has all of their powers, but no witch powers. The Elders never gave her any (yes, they knew about her when Patty was pregnant with her and were the ones who decided that she shouldn't grow up with her half-sisters so that demons wouldn't go after her, also the reason why they didn't want the sisters told about her) since her three sisters already had all three Warren powers and the Elders decided to keep her as a spare in case something happened, which never does. Instead, when Leo becomes an Elder before Wyatt is conceived (also meaning no Chris, since once Leo becomes an Elder, he's never seen again), Paige gets to be whitelighter to her half-sisters. |
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Post by sky1 on Jul 24, 2017 18:52:24 GMT -5
I like the idea of Paige being the whitelighter!  A good way to write great drama/comedy! |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Oct 10, 2020 13:23:33 GMT -5
What if....Melinda Warren was killed before the prophecy was shown to her completely.
My thinking is that Melinda was killed before the vision was complete, she just wrote down what she saw, so why couldn't have Paige been included in the prophecy?
My guess is that Matthew Tate got Melinda added to the list of witches during the Salem Witch Trials so that she couldn't gain the rest of the prophecy, she already had seen too much according to him and accused her of being a witch.
Melinda wasn't wrong when she wrote what she had foreseen but she didn't get the full picture either due to her being burned at the stake, when she travelled to the future, she thought her prophecy had came true due her seeing three sisters.
However:
I would have written Paige to be Victor's daughter, she was kidnapped by a demon, she was born between Piper and Phoebe. Grams not wanting Prue, Piper and Phoebe to go through anything unpleasant, with permission by Patty and Victor, erased the minds of the girls so they never have to relive it.
Patty was killed trying to get her daughter back. Victor couldn't handle it and gave custody to Grams.
So, what demon kidnapped Paige?
The Sea Hag, witnessed by Prue, she saw the Sea Hag kindap Paige and drag her underwater with her screaming for help but when someone finally did something, it was too late.
Prue would fear the water, even with her memories of Paige was removed from her mind, she misplaced that memory of seeing Paige getting dragged under the water with her mother's death.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 11, 2020 13:35:43 GMT -5
This thread is reminding me of this post: Saw an interesting thread at another site and was interested to see what you guys thought: The Original Poster (OP) wrote: I would have love to see this play out seeing how Prue was one powerful witch with great range and control over her power. It would have been better if the ending for Prue would have been dying while protecting her sister from the Source of all evil instead of being killed by Shax trying to protect a doctor. I replied: Much as I love Prue, her power didn't kill the way Piper's did, so she would not have been able to vanquish either Shax or the Source on her own, no matter how much control she had over her power. Maybe if it was 10 years in the future, like we saw in "Morality Bites", but if the OP means that s/he thought Prue could've/should've killed Shax all on her own during AHBL, that just doesn't make a lot of sense within the show. The only one who could've done that is Piper.
I loved the idea that she died protecting an innocent (especially a very unlikeable innocent) rather than her sisters...innocents were always important to Prue, the way they became very unimportant once she was no longer around. But had she died protecting her sisters, that would also have been very Prue-like, since protecting her younger sisters was also always very important to her. The OP replied: No I didn't mean Prue using her Power to kill the Source. None of the Charmed ones had that power not even Piper who could only temporary blow the source up. I just meant it would have been nice to see Prue go up against the Source. Prue was the most skilled out of the original Charmed Ones. Even Phoebe admitted that they didn't stand a chance against the Source without Prue. I just thought it would have been interesting to see how Prue faired against the source. Even though Piper had the exploding Power, Prue used her powers to deflect attacks which would have worked in her advantage if The Source used a fire ball against her. Another member replied: You make a very good point. Remember the Seer's initial vision of the Sources demise?? Paige managed to trap him in a crystal field. He tried to escape it with one of his hell fireballs only to have it deflected back at him. This was enough to vanquish him...
Well, Prue's power of telekinesis could do the very same thing. After learning how to channel her power through her hands, she was a master of deflecting a demon's powers. Likewise, her martial arts skill was far beyond Phoebe's by the time of Season 3. This leads me to believe that Prue would have been far more effective against the Source than all of her sisters...
Actually imagining how the battle could have gone, all that would have been needed was:
1.) Phoebe has a premonition of the Source's arrival at the manor
2.) Piper freezes/blows him up him when he arrives
3.) Prue and Phoebe get a few Matrix-style punch-kick combos in
4.) Wait until the Source attempted to launch a hell fireball
5.) Have Prue deflect said fireball back for the vanquish
6.) Go to P3 after Leo's done healing on their wounds What do you guys think? HAD to add what another member posted at the other site: And then the Angel of Death and Destiny could have came to claim Prue to make room for Paige now that Prue's destiny was fulfilled. I swear so much more could have been done with Charmed. More stories, it had great potential. Sometimes the fans have better ideas then the writers themselves. OOOOO! Now *there* would be the best way to introduce Paige! I'd call this one: Prue Fulfills Her Destiny |
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 9, 2021 19:35:14 GMT -5
I would've liked that battle better. I always thought the way they used the crystals in the seers vision and using my least favorite plot device the hollow was cheap. I much prefer this battle.
Also I like to think if they had to introduce Paige have Their mother give her up for adoption after the summer of love when she was just a teenager. They would've had to cast an older actress, but it works
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A good way to write great drama/comedy! 
