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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 18:30:50 GMT -5
They could have done what Shannon and Jennifer did in their excellent Destined series, de-power Wyatt. That would make him have to work to get the job done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 0:11:38 GMT -5
If anything deserves to be rebooted it's Charmed. It's going to be 2016 which means within a few months it'll be ten years since Charmed ended. It's been long enough. However, many older TV shows have been rebooted for a new generation but failed. Bionic Woman and Charlie's Angels both failed to capture a modern audience. I'm afraid a Charmed reboot may not work in today's TV landscape. Not only is there a lacking of girl power but also a lacking of witches. Charmed was made at a time where both those things were really popular thanks to shows and movies like Xena & the Craft. Nikita tried to do the girl power thing but it didn't do to well. Tho that might've had to do with the fact that Nikita aired on theCW. Charmed could stand a chance if it airs on CBS.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 26, 2015 2:12:28 GMT -5
And I'll keep on insisting that 10 years isn't long enough. The shows that are being rebooted are from the 1980's-90's, not the 2000's. The reboots work best when they're set up for a new generation, not the one who originally watched them, because no matter how messed up the original one is, the fans will always have a special place in their heart for the original one.
If you wanted a continuation (and I'd still like to see a movie one with the originals, especially if it was based on S9, although it would probably be based on S10 - *shudder* - although I think the time for that one might have already passed), that's different. But a reboot? No. If you want the same show done differently, fanfics are still the best solution, not a version on the screen.
When the reboot happens, I want it to have a chance to succeed. It won't if it happens too soon, especially when witches are out of fashion right now. When they come back in fashion, then it will be time to consider one. How quickly Witches of East End went away shows what would happen to the Charmed reboot if it came out at the wrong time - and once it comes out and fails, there probably won't be a chance for another one.
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Post by sol on Dec 26, 2015 4:39:34 GMT -5
They only could make a new Charmed series if they did as Abrams with STNG: a series of a different timeline, as, for example, Morality Bites timeline, the story of how and why Prue left the magic and what happened with her sisters
But now, who loved Charmed would hate every kind of reboot, even if it was perfect
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 3:16:46 GMT -5
And I'll keep on insisting that 10 years isn't long enough. The shows that are being rebooted are from the 1980's-90's, not the 2000's. The reboots work best when they're set up for a new generation, not the one who originally watched them, because no matter how messed up the original one is, the fans will always have a special place in their heart for the original one. If you wanted a continuation (and I'd still like to see a movie one with the originals, especially if it was based on S9, although it would probably be based on S10 - *shudder* - although I think the time for that one might have already passed), that's different. But a reboot? No. If you want the same show done differently, fanfics are still the best solution, not a version on the screen. Charmed is technically a 90's show. The Spider-man film franchise started in 2001 and ended 2007. The reboot with an entirely new cast was released in 2011 and ended in 2014. It will now be rebooted once again in 2016 with a new guy playing Spider-man. I sort of agree that reboots would work best for a new generation but that didn't quite work out for Bionic Woman. I feel if Batman, James Bond, heck even 90210 can be rebooted not too long after their previous iteration has ended. Charmed can too. We could even have Shannon, Holly, or Alyssa play Patty in the reboot. I tried reading fan fictions but I just can't get into them. Tho I may just be reading the wrong ones. I remember a few kept my attention but fanfiction.net is so wonky I had a hard time figuring out how to get to the next part. Either that or the person just never finishes their story. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 27, 2015 8:09:10 GMT -5
And I'll keep on insisting that 10 years isn't long enough. The shows that are being rebooted are from the 1980's-90's, not the 2000's. The reboots work best when they're set up for a new generation, not the one who originally watched them, because no matter how messed up the original one is, the fans will always have a special place in their heart for the original one. If you wanted a continuation (and I'd still like to see a movie one with the originals, especially if it was based on S9, although it would probably be based on S10 - *shudder* - although I think the time for that one might have already passed), that's different. But a reboot? No. If you want the same show done differently, fanfics are still the best solution, not a version on the screen. Charmed is technically a 90's show. The Spider-man film franchise started in 2001 and ended 2007. The reboot with an entirely new cast was released in 2011 and ended in 2014. It will now be rebooted once again in 2016 with a new guy playing Spider-man. I sort of agree that reboots would work best for a new generation but that didn't quite work out for Bionic Woman. I feel if Batman, James Bond, heck even 90210 can be rebooted not too long after their previous iteration has ended. Charmed can too. We could even have Shannon, Holly, or Alyssa play Patty in the reboot. I tried reading fan fictions but I just can't get into them. Tho I may just be reading the wrong ones. I remember a few kept my attention but fanfiction.net is so wonky I had a hard time figuring out how to get to the next part. Either that or the person just never finishes their story. When talking about when a reboot should start, it's how long since the show ended, not when it started. That way, Charmed is a 2000 show, and specifically 2006, so it won't be ready for a reboot until at least 2026. And with Spider-man, you're talking movies. That's totally different. Charmed will never be a movie franchise, so comparing that with Spider-man is comparing apples and oranges. I'm talking a TV series. And 90210 wasn't very successful despite having both Shannen and Jennie Garth in it - five years on The CW is like one year on broadcast TV, the way Charmed never would've made it past one - and, yes, I want the reboot on broadcast TV, not cable or Netflix - too many of my friends can't afford either. If we want the reboot to have any chance to be a quality show as compared to Charmed, it has to be on broadcast or pay TV - something else my friends and I can't afford. As for Fanfiction.net, I've never had troubles following it, and you can filter for completed-only fics - I agree that nothing is more frustrating than getting into a story and then finding out it's a WiP that hasn't been updated in 10 years! The only time I read WIPs are when they're written by favorite authors who have already completed stories. Just hit the Browse link on the right, then TV, then C, then Charmed, (13.8K stories to choose from!) then hit the filter button and filter for Language=English and Status=Completed and you still get 4.4K to choose from. And if you hunt for your favorite character(s), I'm sure you'll find something you'll like. Then if you set up your own account, you can set up authors as your favorites and you'll be advised each time they start a new story or add a new chapter or complete a story. And there's nothing like getting a review that can keep an author going and finish a story! Especially if it's not a "I like this." or "This is good" or "keep going" review, but instead tell what exactly about the story/chapter you did or didn't like. Readers are just as important as the writers, if not more. If when you said you had a hard time getting to the next part, if you meant a sequel, just clicking on the author and then sorting it by publish date usually makes that easy. And, of course, we have fanfics right here at the Cafe. Unfortunately they're not divided into completed and WIPs and don't have descriptions like fanfiction.net does, but it might help you find something that interests you and in turn it might lead you to an author you like at fanfiction.net - it's how I found some of my favorites. And, of course, the best way to get exactly what you want is to write your own! |
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Post by West on Dec 27, 2015 8:30:50 GMT -5
If they do a reboot, I feel if Holly or Shannen play Grams, they will not stick to the original. Knowing them they will try and keep them around, so I can see them even keeping Grams or Patty, since both are the right age to play Patty (even an older Patty in her 50s still alive at series start) around to teach the girls the craft. However them it would feel like the show is relying more on the original cast, and take the spotlight away from the new charmed ones.
Its a hit and miss, I feel that waiting a good amount of time is the best. But they are trying to reboot Xena atm, and we all know it may fall into the charmed, bewitched and murder she wrote way where it never gets off the ground. But reboots and revivals are so in right now, a Charmed one may come out sooner than you think. Hopefully the failed charmed reboot in 2013, will mean we will not get a reboot for at least 20 years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 12:32:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I hate when that happens. You get into a story, and really enjoy it, and then it just....stops  The new 90210 was a continuation, not a reboot. Some people tend to get the two mixed up. Anyway, here is the difference. If the new show is set in the same reality as the old show, and features the same actors playing the same characters that they did before, that's a continuation. Examples of this include the later Star Trek series (TNG, DS9, and VOY), the new Doctor Who series, and the late 1980's Mission Impossible revival (in which Peter Graves returned as Jim Phelps and a couple of the actors from the original series appeared, reprising their old roles). These shows are all continuations. A reboot, on the other hand, is when the show has the name name as the original and the characters have the same names, but that's it. There is no connection to the original series at all. The Sci-Fi Channel's Battlestar Galactica comes to mind here. You had new actors playing the characters (and Starbuck in this version was a woman, not a man, ditto with Boomer). Richard Hatch, who played Apollo in the original BG, did guest star on this version, but was playing a totally different character. Just thought I'd clarify this  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 13:41:19 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks that fanfiction can keep a fandom alive is fighting a lost cause. Way too many stories end up either abandoned or unfinished, and either way, there's no unified vision. Different people have different interpretations of canon. Fanfiction has a place, but it's no substitute for new canon. Never will be.  |
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Post by charmedagain4 on Dec 27, 2015 13:57:16 GMT -5
I'm sort of neutral on this topic. While I would rather want a movie continuation (as long as it's not Pat Shand or Brad Kern helming it), a reboot done right would be good too. But I wouldn't want a total reboot, where the original series is disregarded. I would want a new timeline for the show, such as the morality bites timeline or a timeline where Prue didn't die. I also like Paige so I would be interested in her being the original power of three's whitelighter, but if not I would be fine with her not there at all. But a timeline that I would really want to see is if Phoebe died instead of Prue. I'm pretty sure that the show would be ten times better because Prue would still be the oldest sister and leader, Piper would still be the middle sister and neutral party member, and Paige would be the new sister who has two very determined older sisters who aren't so in love that they would choose the Source over their family.
I think it would be great to see how the sisters would be different from their other timeline with Prue still being the oldest sister and leader. I am currently working on a fanfiction where Phoebe died so Prue, Piper, and Paige are the new power of three. But I can say that it's very different than most fanfictions where Phoebe died instead of Prue. Many different storylines and different takes on the sisters.
As far as a movie continuation, I would like to see a new timeline also, but at a very different time. I want the sisters' lives in 2015 to be shown, sort of going along the comics order, BUT have a demon go back in time and change the events of Forever Charmed by killing Christy himself and try to rise to power within the Underworld. Then there wouldn't be any other time travel going on where Piper can see the future. The triad wouldn't be dead so they would still send demons after the sisters and there wouldn't be any cheery ending for the sisters so soon.
I wouldn't mind the movie being helmed by Constance M. Burge, Paul Ruditis or both. That way we'd still have the original concept of three sisters who happen to be witches and a season long demon.
There is something I am confused about. Pat Shand doesn't love Cole at all as he isn't trying to unite Phoebe and Cole and he killed Cole off after him just coming back. To me, while Pat Shand did do Cole a little justice by not having him turn evil again, he still shouldn't have killed Cole off and should've reunited Cole and Phoebe. Yes, Phoebe does already have children by Coop, but Pat could have killed Coop off instead. Then, Cole and Phoebe would slowly start falling back in love with each other and becoming a family. I can see Cole taking care of Coop's children like they're his own. With Phoebe and Cole, there was passion in their love while Coop and Phoebe are just bland to me. It's like the writers just threw Coop in just so all of the sisters can have a happy ending.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 27, 2015 20:24:06 GMT -5
There is something I am confused about. Pat Shand doesn't love Cole at all as he isn't trying to unite Phoebe and Cole and he killed Cole off after him just coming back. To me, while Pat Shand did do Cole a little justice by not having him turn evil again, he still shouldn't have killed Cole off and should've reunited Cole and Phoebe. Yes, Phoebe does already have children by Coop, but Pat could have killed Coop off instead. Then, Cole and Phoebe would slowly start falling back in love with each other and becoming a family. I can see Cole taking care of Coop's children like they're his own. With Phoebe and Cole, there was passion in their love while Coop and Phoebe are just bland to me. It's like the writers just threw Coop in just so all of the sisters can have a happy ending. Instead Shand has killed off Coop and left Phoebe with no one - except Ben in Cole's body still remembering and feeling everything Cole felt...you *truly* don't think Cole is going to somehow be brought back and he and Phoebe will live happily ever after? Although I desperately hope I'm wrong, it's what I truly expect to happen and I find it disgusting. No, Pat Shand is definitely a Phole fan and will do everything in his power to put them back together while making it seem like he can't. Had PHoebe and Coop's relationship been as bland in Season 9 as it was in Season 8 - if *Coop* was as bland in Season 9 as he was in Season 8 - if knowing Coop in Season 9 made Phoebe a worse person like Cole always did and like Coop did in S8, I'd agree with you. As is, I can't. If Cole was never mentioned again in Season 10 after his death, it would be a much better season. Instead he's mentioned constantly and everything that happens has to do with him. That's why I'm so bored with it. If "Let Gorgons be Gorgons" is truly going to be the last project Paul Ruditis is going to do for Charmed (and it certainly looks like that's true...  ) I so wish we knew how *he* would've handled Season 10 coz I'm sure it would've been nothing like this. |
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Post by West on Dec 28, 2015 7:43:26 GMT -5
If they do a reboot, why not give each sister a completely different power, and not the original three powers the show gave us. Change it up a little. However Premonitions may be the only power I feel is the only power that the show would need for saving innocents and helping out.
I hope a reboot is all different, the only elements that stay is the book of shadows and the power of three or four. New City, different names and last names, calling them something else than the charmed ones. Maybe even having the sisters personalities being so different than the typical older or younger sisters, and maybe even one of the sisters is already married at the beginning of the series.
Why not make them not being American, that would be different. Instead of whitelighters, maybe Grams, Patty or an aunt can teach them the craft, but they wind up dead by the end of season 1.
Maybe come up with something else than whitelighters, maybe a shape shifting familiar, I dont know. Just dont bring in whitelighters or elders.
An idea I felt would be very very different, is having the sisters already knowing they are witches. Say they know that the power of three destiny is coming one day, and a family member dies prompting them to finally accept the destiny they have been ignoring for a majority of their lives. Its just would be something new than the typical reboot of the first episode with them discovering there powers in a similar/different outcome with a family members death, or Patty of Grams telling them in the first episode and or dying.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Dec 28, 2015 11:04:01 GMT -5
If they do a reboot, why not give each sister a completely different power, and not the original three powers the show gave us. Change it up a little. However Premonitions may be the only power I feel is the only power that the show would need for saving innocents and helping out. I hope a reboot is all different, the only elements that stay is the book of shadows and the power of three or four. New City, different names and last names, calling them something else than the charmed ones. Maybe even having the sisters personalities being so different than the typical older or younger sisters, and maybe even one of the sisters is already married at the beginning of the series. Why not make them not being American, that would be different. Instead of whitelighters, maybe Grams, Patty or an aunt can teach them the craft, but they wind up dead by the end of season 1. Maybe come up with something else than whitelighters, maybe a shape shifting familiar, I dont know. Just dont bring in whitelighters or elders. An idea I felt would be very very different, is having the sisters already knowing they are witches. Say they know that the power of three destiny is coming one day, and a family member dies prompting them to finally accept the destiny they have been ignoring for a majority of their lives. Its just would be something new than the typical reboot of the first episode with them discovering there powers in a similar/different outcome with a family members death, or Patty of Grams telling them in the first episode and or dying. This's a good idea. Like it. |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 28, 2015 21:50:36 GMT -5
There is something I am confused about. Pat Shand doesn't love Cole at all as he isn't trying to unite Phoebe and Cole and he killed Cole off after him just coming back. To me, while Pat Shand did do Cole a little justice by not having him turn evil again, he still shouldn't have killed Cole off and should've reunited Cole and Phoebe. Yes, Phoebe does already have children by Coop, but Pat could have killed Coop off instead. Then, Cole and Phoebe would slowly start falling back in love with each other and becoming a family. I can see Cole taking care of Coop's children like they're his own. With Phoebe and Cole, there was passion in their love while Coop and Phoebe are just bland to me. It's like the writers just threw Coop in just so all of the sisters can have a happy ending. This entire paragraph is off the mark to me. Pat Shand is trying to reunite Phoebe and Cole. "Killing him off" was misdirection; he brought back Cole's father Ben back in Cole's body with Cole's memories, essentially trying to make Cole older, wiser, and more innocent through it "actually" being Ben. And IMO, bringing back Phoebe and Cole and trying to whitewash Cole's mistakes is the wrong damn move to make. It's going in reverse instead of moving forward. For all intents and purposes, Phoebe and Cole should be done with each other. They've had their story together. The comics have managed to make Coop, and thus Phoebe's story with Coop, interesting enough that people who wrote him off as an endgame slampiece actually want to see more of him. Cole needs his own story, with new friends and enemies and possibly a new love. Hell, the idea of the Charmed comics becoming a new franchise unto itself could've used an idea like that to create a second title. This is what I'm almost sure Paul Ruditis would've done, as he was aiming Cole towards an independent redemption journey. Instead Pat is dragging a story along to restore a failed status quo by proxy. Even reading the discussion thread for the comics here I don't know anything about who or what the big threat is in Pat's season. All the real effort is going towards setting up Phoebe and Ben-as-Cole and it's killing the beat altogether. |
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Post by charmedagain4 on Dec 31, 2015 2:11:22 GMT -5
There is something I am confused about. Pat Shand doesn't love Cole at all as he isn't trying to unite Phoebe and Cole and he killed Cole off after him just coming back. To me, while Pat Shand did do Cole a little justice by not having him turn evil again, he still shouldn't have killed Cole off and should've reunited Cole and Phoebe. Yes, Phoebe does already have children by Coop, but Pat could have killed Coop off instead. Then, Cole and Phoebe would slowly start falling back in love with each other and becoming a family. I can see Cole taking care of Coop's children like they're his own. With Phoebe and Cole, there was passion in their love while Coop and Phoebe are just bland to me. It's like the writers just threw Coop in just so all of the sisters can have a happy ending. This entire paragraph is off the mark to me. Pat Shand is trying to reunite Phoebe and Cole. "Killing him off" was misdirection; he brought back Cole's father Ben back in Cole's body with Cole's memories, essentially trying to make Cole older, wiser, and more innocent through it "actually" being Ben. And IMO, bringing back Phoebe and Cole and trying to whitewash Cole's mistakes is the wrong damn move to make. It's going in reverse instead of moving forward. For all intents and purposes, Phoebe and Cole should be done with each other. They've had their story together. The comics have managed to make Coop, and thus Phoebe's story with Coop, interesting enough that people who wrote him off as an endgame slampiece actually want to see more of him. Cole needs his own story, with new friends and enemies and possibly a new love. Hell, the idea of the Charmed comics becoming a new franchise unto itself could've used an idea like that to create a second title. This is what I'm almost sure Paul Ruditis would've done, as he was aiming Cole towards an independent redemption journey. Instead Pat is dragging a story along to restore a failed status quo by proxy. Even reading the discussion thread for the comics here I don't know anything about who or what the big threat is in Pat's season. All the real effort is going towards setting up Phoebe and Ben-as-Cole and it's killing the beat altogether. You believe that Pat is mis-directing? At first, I thought the same. Pat swears that Cole is dead gone, but I don't know. I keep thinking that Ben is going back to the past and kill himself instead of Cole being killed somehow. But I can see a Cole and Phoebe possible reuniting happening. And sorry to disagree with you, but I love Cole and Phoebe. I liked their dynamic and love for each other. They brought out the good and the bad in each other. But I can also say that I've accepted Coop and Phoebe and I'm fine if they stay together. But if given a chance, I would love for Cole and Phoebe to reunite. I just want it to be written in a different way. We always see the bad side of Cole, but his good side is hardly shown. If he's going to be good, stick with it. Don't make him evil every half of the season. It's like the show never figured out what they wanted to do with Cole. I also believe that Season 10 would be completely different had Paul been the writer this season instead. It seemed like Prue and Cole were going to be on their own journeys and overall a good way to redeem Cole and show how Prue will now be in life. Instead, Cole died again...and Pat is making it seem that Prue is the new big bad. |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 31, 2015 10:14:33 GMT -5
You believe that Pat is mis-directing? At first, I thought the same. Pat swears that Cole is dead gone, but I don't know. I keep thinking that Ben is going back to the past and kill himself instead of Cole being killed somehow. But I can see a Cole and Phoebe possible reuniting happening. If that's the case, then you still do think the same. You just think it'll be pulled off in a different way. And sorry to disagree with you, but I love Cole and Phoebe. I liked their dynamic and love for each other. They brought out the good and the bad in each other. But I can also say that I've accepted Coop and Phoebe and I'm fine if they stay together. But if given a chance, I would love for Cole and Phoebe to reunite. Don't get me wrong, I loved them together too at first. But after reexamining where they went wrong, I can see exactly what each one's faults were in why it didn't work out — as well as why I think they would be better off moving forward separately instead of getting back together. I just want it to be written in a different way. We always see the bad side of Cole, but his good side is hardly shown. If he's going to be good, stick with it. Don't make him evil every half of the season. It's like the show never figured out what they wanted to do with Cole. Take it from me, I know he's got both good and bad to him. I'm the main one here saying it's a disservice to Cole as a character to whitewash either side. I'm also someone who wants to see him plant himself more firmly on the side of good whether that means overcoming or channeling his darker instincts. That's part of why I'm so adamant about him having his own path. With him and Phoebe together the threat of him turning heel and hurting her and having to be stopped is the easiest creative tool to insert drama, and I don't know that Pat has the creative maturity to avoid that without making Cole into his personal John Cena — the guy who the narrative seems to think walks on water and can do no wrong even when he's being a complete ass, AKA what most people call the Gary/Marty Stu. I also believe that Season 10 would be completely different had Paul been the writer this season instead. It seemed like Prue and Cole were going to be on their own journeys and overall a good way to redeem Cole and show how Prue will now be in life. Instead, Cole died again...and Pat is making it seem that Prue is the new big bad. *sigh* Yup. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 15:37:23 GMT -5
*Sigh* Looks like yet another interesting thread got side-tracked into a Season 10/Phoebe/Cole whinefest.  Isn't there a section in the VIP subforum for this kind of stuff? Can't this discussion just move over there and have its own thread? To think, if the 2013 reboot had happened, people here might actually have something to talk about besides this crap. That's probably the biggest reason why I supported the reboot. |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 31, 2015 16:41:50 GMT -5
Okay, so maybe we can use this little turn in the conversation to do a proper segue about what kind of love interests we would've liked the reboot sisters to have and what should or shouldn't be done with said love interests/relationships. There are ways to constructively approach a change of subject like this.
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Post by Nimue on Dec 31, 2015 17:23:32 GMT -5
I have a few ideas about love interests/relationships, but I'm not sure how good they are. Ok, so maybe there could be a normal human being, a werewolf, and another witch/wizard. I'm not sure about a fourth one (maybe one of the sisters should just end up single?? Not sure I like the idea, but ok). One of the love interests could be quite a bit older than the sister he's dating, say twelve-fifteen years (I'm always fascinated by big age-gap relationships). Maybe that love interest should date the older sister, but they wouldn't end up together until the last season (they could first meet during the first season): I'd want to build up the friendship between them, and I'd also want issues concerning the age gap to be addressed during that last season, not swept under the rug.
Another thing: no useless drama just for the sake of it- if there should be drama, it should be there for a reason, not just because. I'd also want all love interests to stay the way they are, none of them should give up their powers for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 18:24:56 GMT -5
I tend to loathe romance drama, so my ideal series wouldn't be full of love triangles, forbidden lovers, and any of that stuff. I like stable, healthy relationships made up of characters who are just as much friends and partners as they are lovers. Some people might find that "boring," but honestly, it's the "who slept with who" drama that I find to be boring, instead.
I can name many a show that was derailed by a pointless shift to romance drama, whether it be Charmed and Pretty Little Liars, or even sitcoms like Sabrina and What I Like About You.
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