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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 0:57:36 GMT -5
Oh God, don't remind me. A great show which was ruined by the endless storyline about Holly's love life. This was a sitcom, not Dawson's Bloody Creek  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 1:29:45 GMT -5
Oh God, don't remind me. A great show which was ruined by the endless storyline about Holly's love life. This was a sitcom, not Dawson's Bloody Creek Crazy how much Executive Meddling hit WILAY between Seasons 1 and 2. They changed the opening credits to look hipper and flashier, moved Val and Holly into that huge, stylish loft apartment, brought in a bunch of new teenage characters like Tina and Vince, and gradually started shoving Val into the background to focus more on Holly and her love life. What started as a cute, funny sitcom about sisters became another boring teen show almost overnight. And, sadly, I don't think the show ever really recovered from it. The ratings sank pretty hard after Season 1, and despite some small steps back in the right direction in Season 4, it was too little, too late. The show might've been able to squeeze out a 5th, final season had it not been for the WB shutdown, but otherwise, it was all over. |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Jan 1, 2016 2:29:48 GMT -5
Oh God, don't remind me. A great show which was ruined by the endless storyline about Holly's love life. This was a sitcom, not Dawson's Bloody Creek With that title, I honestly thought Holly's love life was at least half the premise of the show. Then again, I didn't follow the show from the very beginning, only caught a few episodes here and there, so I'm guessing I got to see the "meddled with edition"… |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 11:25:13 GMT -5
If you started in Season Two or later, then yes, you saw the show after the Executive Meddling (as TV Tropes would put it).
Ironically, Season Two of Charmed was the first real sign of Executive Meddling on that show. Hellish became costume designer (hence the skirts getting shorter and shorter), P3 was added (so they could have musical guest stars, which, in the long run, did nothing except time lock the series into the late 90's and early 00's, by having musicians and bands that no one remembers, nearly two decades later).
When network execs stick their noses into the show, more often that not, said show is screwed.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Jan 1, 2016 13:15:00 GMT -5
If you started in Season Two or later, then yes, you saw the show after the Executive Meddling (as TV Tropes would put it). Ironically, Season Two of Charmed was the first real sign of Executive Meddling on that show. Hellish became costume designer (hence the skirts getting shorter and shorter), P3 was added (so they could have musical guest stars, which, in the long run, did nothing except time lock the series into the late 90's and early 00's, by having musicians and bands that no one remembers, nearly two decades later). When network execs stick their noses into the show, more often that not, said show is screwed. So, get a showrunner that has credibility with both fans and industry and is thus willing and able to stands on his/her own terms creatively, take good ideas and reject bad ones without fear of backlash from either side. I have a few ideas about love interests/relationships, but I'm not sure how good they are. Ok, so maybe there could be a normal human being, a werewolf, and another witch/wizard. I'm not sure about a fourth one (maybe one of the sisters should just end up single?? Not sure I like the idea, but ok). One of the love interests could be quite a bit older than the sister he's dating, say twelve-fifteen years (I'm always fascinated by big age-gap relationships). Maybe that love interest should date the older sister, but they wouldn't end up together until the last season (they could first meet during the first season): I'd want to build up the friendship between them, and I'd also want issues concerning the age gap to be addressed during that last season, not swept under the rug.
Another thing: no useless drama just for the sake of it- if there should be drama, it should be there for a reason, not just because. I'd also want all love interests to stay the way they are, none of them should give up their powers for whatever reason. Pretty interesting ideas — but I just wanna caution for the werewolf, that character's gonna have to be defined in a way that avoids going too Twilight-ish. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 14:35:45 GMT -5
With that title, I honestly thought Holly's love life was at least half the premise of the show. Then again, I didn't follow the show from the very beginning, only caught a few episodes here and there, so I'm guessing I got to see the "meddled with edition"… Yeah, the original premise of the show was more about two sisters living together in the Big City. Val was the strict, uptight adult older sister, while Holly was the silly, free-spirited teenage younger sister. A lot of early episodes centered around Holly either screwing up or getting herself into trouble and Val having to bail her out. Season 2 added a bunch of new characters like Tina and Vince to the cast, and the series became much more centered around Holly, her friends, and her love life. Val became more of a side character, and started having more scenes with Lauren than her own sister. Ironically, Season Two of Charmed was the first real sign of Executive Meddling on that show. Hellish became costume designer (hence the skirts getting shorter and shorter), P3 was added (so they could have musical guest stars, which, in the long run, did nothing except time lock the series into the late 90's and early 00's, by having musicians and bands that no one remembers, nearly two decades later). When network execs stick their noses into the show, more often that not, said show is screwed. That is true. The Executive Meddling on Charmed actually started pretty early on, although it didn't start getting really bad until later on. As Darkhorse Christian implied, I think the biggest issue was simply that neither Constance Burge or Brad Kern ever had the creative clout and power as, say, Joss Whedon. He was a critical darling and had garnered up a strong reputation by the end of the 90s, so the WB mostly left him alone. He gave their network credibility, and they didn't want to spoil that. Note that similar was also true for JJ Abrams (Felicity) and Kevin Williamson (Dawson's Creek). I think the the WB's mind, Burge and Kern were, more or less, expendable, and so was the show, itself, which is why the network never treated it all that well compared to other shows. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jan 1, 2016 14:38:26 GMT -5
For me I wouldn't want the new love interests to be like what they were in the original series I want them to have a purpose in there and not just be the eye candy whether there friends to start of with, someone the sisters knew childhood wise like Andy or a person they meet on the job.
As supporting characters they'd help the Charmed Ones out be it cops, doctors, teachers, lawyers whatever and not just through their work but through themselves helping the sisters grow as witches maybe turn one of them from shy to confident for e.g.
The men would be long term guys not once a week flings and not the girls main priority which would be innocents first and foremost whom they'd all understand and accept but still have a relationship on the side though obviously and I wouldn't mind if they didn't accept the sisters heritage first hand.
I'd want no kids till the end but if they did appear earlier then not the sole focus of the show like Wyatt and Chris were originally.
And there'd be drama of course I mean you can't have something without it but not too much mind a balance between comedy, light heartedness, romantic involvements, sisterly moments and friendships a plenty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 17:48:40 GMT -5
Yeah, neither Burge nor Kern had the power that Whedon had. They were totally subservient to the WB. So the WB could meddle with Charmed to their hearts content.
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