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Post by jdpm1991 on Jan 28, 2016 8:19:11 GMT -5
In "The Witch Is Back", Melinda said that Matthew must have copied Blinking from another power but in the future of the series it was said that Blinking is a normal power for Warlocks. So which is it?
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 28, 2016 8:26:13 GMT -5
Neither.
In Season One, since warlocks stole powers from witches. any person who had powers could have any power. Only later on when demons were the main bad guys rather than warlocks did certain powers belong to certain types of magical people. Another of many reasons why warlocks should've remained the main bad guys with demons only as the Demons of... Cole should've been a warlock.
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Post by Sadrick on Jan 28, 2016 11:40:27 GMT -5
Contradictory lore established when it was most convenient to the set up of things. Warlocks became just about the same thing as demons -- even the characters admitted as such.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 4, 2016 10:52:47 GMT -5
In "The Witch Is Back", Melinda said that Matthew must have copied Blinking from another power but in the future of the series it was said that Blinking is a normal power for Warlocks. So which is it? In season 1 Melinda says that she believes Matthew Tate copied it from a witch which would explain that originally it used to be a witches power but over time it got stolen and started manifesting in warlocks. |
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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 29, 2016 13:46:54 GMT -5
I wish all the powers were neutral and not given evil/neutral/good classifications, that would of made it less confusing and more mysterious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 20:50:59 GMT -5
I wish all the powers were neutral and not given evil/neutral/good classifications, that would of made it less confusing and more mysterious. Agreed. On several occasions, this did appear to be the case but then it would soon be contradicted by more inconsistency. For example: in 'Lost and Bound'Piper (to Tyler): But that's not how powers work. They're not 'good' or 'bad' by themselves, it's how we use them. then in 'We're Off to See the Wizard'Leo (in reaction to Phoebe new fire-throwing power): Phoebe, fire-throwing is an upper-level demonic power. And there's many, many more examples of this. |
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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 31, 2016 10:52:10 GMT -5
I wish all the powers were neutral and not given evil/neutral/good classifications, that would of made it less confusing and more mysterious. Agreed. On several occasions, this did appear to be the case but then it would soon be contradicted by more inconsistency. For example: in 'Lost and Bound'Piper (to Tyler): But that's not how powers work. They're not 'good' or 'bad' by themselves, it's how we use them. then in 'We're Off to See the Wizard'Leo (in reaction to Phoebe new fire-throwing power): Phoebe, fire-throwing is an upper-level demonic power. And there's many, many more examples of this. This is why I believe that powers in the Charmed universe were so confusing to follow. It would of been better to have no classifications for the powers/abilities given on the show. In my personal opinion it would have left the Charmed Ones open to better powers (even though they should not over power each other or be too powerful). The show on the whole did contradict itself as the seasons went on, through character development (or lack of development), through powers, through different circumstances etc. The show seemed to forget the rules about protecting innocents and not punishing the guilty, which is why they went into the future for, but as soon as Piper got her exploding power, it was all ''forget about what we witness in the future, let's starting punishing the guilty'', which I hated more then (some days the same amount) as Piper's whinging about wanting a normal life, which let's be truthful, she had plenty of time to be. |
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Post by lordumbrex on Oct 31, 2016 15:21:17 GMT -5
Not related to the topic as a whole, for Blinking was established as a witch power in season 1, but as for powers being good or evil, they didn't necessarily contradict themselves, they simply left it open for interpretation with a little wrangling/hammering.
Powers are not inherently good or evil, they are neutral, however the biology of demons allows for their spirit to be intertwined with their powers, which may or may not allow for certain powers to be evil. As in, you steal a power from a demon, not necessarily a demonic power from like a power broker, but actually from a demon, you very well may get their essence or spirit or whatever you want to call it along with it. And if you get that essence, you very well may be swayed to evil, depending on how strong the wills of the participants are. That interpretation certainly takes a little hammering, but it works mostly.
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Post by ljones on Nov 3, 2016 0:08:40 GMT -5
What's blinking?
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Post by BriannaWarren on Nov 3, 2016 0:12:11 GMT -5
Blinking is a teleportation power. All the possessor of this power would have to do, is think about the place they want to go and within a blink of an eye they would be at their destination. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 3, 2016 19:23:37 GMT -5
Why is it with these fantasy or science-fiction shows or movies, writers utilize "cutesy" terms for psi abilities?
Why couldn't the show's writers simply use the term "teleportation" instead of blinking . . . or telekinetic orbing?
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Post by Granny Charmed on Nov 4, 2016 1:03:24 GMT -5
Why is it with these fantasy or science-fiction shows or movies, writers utilize "cutesy" terms for psi abilities? Why couldn't the show's writers simply use the term "teleportation" instead of blinking . . . or telekinetic orbing? You make a good point dear. Also Visions instead of Premonitions. Although I really do love the term Premonitions instead of visions for Phoebe's power. But all shows or movies love to give their own spin and take on everything. I do wish the show dears had a continuity editor who remembered all the details the writers and cast didn't. So the show didn't feel like every episode ended up being in its own continuity that never continued the following episode most times. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 19:08:08 GMT -5
Personally I liked the show's unique names for powers. Considering how long ago magical powers would have been discovered, it hardly seems likely that ordinary everyday witches would use terms such as 'teleportation' or 'molecular immobilisation'. 'Blinking' and 'freezing' sound like more realistic descriptions. And anyway, the more scientific terminologies that have found their way into popular lexicon were used on the show as well, such as 'telekinesis', 'levitation', telepathy' and 'premonition'. I liked the mixture.
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Post by Granny Charmed on Nov 6, 2016 19:26:07 GMT -5
Personally I liked the show's unique names for powers. Considering how long ago magical powers would have been discovered, it hardly seems likely that ordinary everyday witches would use terms such as 'teleportation' or 'molecular immobilisation'. 'Blinking' and 'freezing' sound like more realistic descriptions. And anyway, the more scientific terminologies that have found their way into popular lexicon were used on the show as well, such as 'telekinesis', 'levitation', telepathy' and 'premonition'. I liked the mixture. Very true dear. I was never bothered by the names. It wasn't that big a deal to this girl. I just hated how the continuity kept changing how they are used. |
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Post by BriannaWarren on Nov 6, 2016 22:34:23 GMT -5
Personally I liked the show's unique names for powers. Considering how long ago magical powers would have been discovered, it hardly seems likely that ordinary everyday witches would use terms such as 'teleportation' or 'molecular immobilisation'. 'Blinking' and 'freezing' sound like more realistic descriptions. And anyway, the more scientific terminologies that have found their way into popular lexicon were used on the show as well, such as 'telekinesis', 'levitation', telepathy' and 'premonition'. I liked the mixture. Very true dear. I was never bothered by the names. It wasn't that big a deal to this girl. I just hated how the continuity kept changing how they are used. I never had a problem with the names that were used on the show. But when they don't even make sense to the character or even to the plot than I have an issue with the powers/abilities themselves not with their names. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 6, 2016 23:25:07 GMT -5
Why is it with these fantasy or science-fiction shows or movies, writers utilize "cutesy" terms for psi abilities? Why couldn't the show's writers simply use the term "teleportation" instead of blinking . . . or telekinetic orbing? You make a good point dear. Also Visions instead of Premonitions. Although I really do love the term Premonitions instead of visions for Phoebe's power. But all shows or movies love to give their own spin and take on everything. I do wish the show dears had a continuity editor who remembered all the details the writers and cast didn't. So the show didn't feel like every episode ended up being in its own continuity that never continued the following episode most times. The show never used the term "telekinetic orbing". That's a fans' term that tried to make Paige's power a hybrid one when it was just a whitelighter version of moving things with her mind. Yeah, Piper called it a hybrid, but only because it wasn't the same as Prue's. She (and Phoebe and Paige and Leo) never called it telekinetic orbing or anything else like that. Those are the ones I hate because they never truly describe the powers, not when what she did was summon something and the something traveled in orbs. When I use it in a story I just say she called for the object and the object orbed to her. No need for fancy terms. The show did call Phoebe's power premonitions, but I don't like that because she also saw the past. I would've much preferred seeing the past or seeing the future. For whatever reason, they called what the Seers would get "visions". Is that supposed to be the evil version of premonitions? Made no sense to me. I liked blinking and shimmering and orbing and flaming (because each is different and describes the power properly) and I like freezing or exploding (Piper never combusted a single molecule with her power - fire wasn't part of her power - she sped up molecules until they exploded - but fans always call it molecular combustion when it's actually molecular acceleration - or just she flicked her hands and the object exploded) and moving things with the mind and seeing the past or seeing the future and healing and glamouring and levitating and empathy, even firestarting, but not all the fancy terms that fans come up with that very seldom properly describe the power. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 20, 2016 14:44:01 GMT -5
But they're not different powers. They're just different forms of teleportation.
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Post by lordumbrex on Nov 20, 2016 20:24:03 GMT -5
But they're not different powers. They're just different forms of teleportation. You don't know that. The mechanics of the powers in Charmed worked differently for people who used them, ie having to feel hate to activate a power or feel love. Sure, they could be defined as teleportation from an outside/Doylist perspective, but at their core in the Charmed universe, these powers are all different with different abilities, different effects, and different ways about them. The Watsonian reason for different names is because they are different powers. Whether you like that or not is your personal opinion, but the Charmed universe has different abilities that perform substantially the same actions. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 23, 2016 22:40:48 GMT -5
Every time a magic practitioner blink, orb, flame or whatever; he or she teleports. One has to be blind not to notice this.
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Post by lordumbrex on Nov 25, 2016 1:21:09 GMT -5
Every time a magic practitioner blink, orb, flame or whatever; he or she teleports. One has to be blind not to notice this. You're intentionally missing the point of the powers in Charmed because it appears that you don't like it. If teleporting was all the same in Charmed, there would be no mechanical rules and properties to them that make them differ from each other, ie, orbing being the only way (outside of when Piper somehow appeared at the end of season 5) to enter the heavens. If it was just "teleporting", like you presume inside the confines of the show, then that would not be possible. If you blinked, it's just teleporting so you'd be able to appear in the heavens just like orbing if it was simply teleporting. However, because the narrative of the show says that you cannot, it proves that blinking in mechanism is a different power in and of itself in some form or fashion from orbing, just as flaming and shimmering et al are all different. Further proof of this concept is shown when the Titans stole the orbing ability from the whitelighters at the end of season 5. In that case, the Titans were not made whitelighter by their theft, they were still Titans, but instead, simply stole the orbing ability even though they themselves had the power to teleport prior. So no, not blind, and I've already mentioned that from the outside perspective it is teleportation, however I simply understand the Watsonian rules that the Charmed writers went by when designing the show. You want to dislike the nomenclature and rules of Charmed? Go for it. You are totally free to do that. No one is stopping you from doing that, and no one is denying that there are many powers that are a subset of a grander ability, but it doesn't mean you're correct in your assessment that there is no difference and it should just be known as teleporting in the show. Again, this is all in the confines of the show. Of course, from an outside perspective, the Doylist answer is they are all teleporting and that is absolutely true. However, just like Harry Potter with Apparition, Charmed teleportations or materialization as they said in the show, whatever you want to call it, seem to have different rules amongst them that make them different. That is all there is to it. If you want to call them all teleportation, go for it. |
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