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Post by jdpm1991 on Feb 20, 2016 22:29:47 GMT -5
We know Leo was supposed to be written out after "Love Hurts", but were Dan and Piper as a couple supposed to be Endgame for the show? I mean they showed Piper and Dan's past lives being married and being the parents of Penny Johnson. So was this written out when Piper and Leo as a couple became popular?
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 20, 2016 23:10:06 GMT -5
We know Leo was supposed to be written out after "Love Hurts", but were Dan and Piper as a couple supposed to be Endgame for the show? I mean they showed Piper and Dan's past lives being married and being the parents of Penny Johnson. So was this written out when Piper and Leo as a couple became popular? That's an interesting question. Had Ted King not signed his second contract so Brian Krause would've been off the show, would Dan still be part of the show? I never considered that, so I'll have to think on it. I always thought he was just added after Krause signed the contract as another obstacle to get Piper & Leo together. Now I wonder... |
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Post by Sadrick on Feb 21, 2016 11:20:53 GMT -5
Didn't Constance originally not want the sisters to be committed to any long term relationship? I can't see Dan making any more headway than Leo did, even if the latter had died back in Season 1 like he was supposed to. Something would have come up to split them apart like the hazardous magical lifestyle Piper continued to abide by which would have probably compelled Dan to pull back and rethink his willingness to become involved in something that's far beyond his understanding of reality; that's assuming he isn't killed like Andy was. And Cole wasn't even a blip on Constance's radar at the time.
The most you're going to find with regards to a constant male side character on the show in a world where Constance maintained directorial and production rights to Charmed is Darryl and maybe Victor coming back into their lives like he did in Season 3.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 12:19:05 GMT -5
That's what I understand.
And considering that more than one fan thinks that Piper/Leo and Phoebe/Cole are factors that contributed to the deterioration of Piper and Phoebe's characters, perhaps Ms. Burge was on to something.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Feb 21, 2016 15:45:00 GMT -5
That's what I understand. And considering that more than one fan thinks that Piper/Leo and Phoebe/Cole are factors that contributed to the deterioration of Piper and Phoebe's characters, perhaps Ms. Burge was on to something. If Constance goal was for the sisters to remain single for the rest of their lives then no wonder Kern came in. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 17:04:58 GMT -5
If Piper and Phoebe had remained single, perhaps they would have remained the likable characters they were in Season One.
I would love to have Season One Phoebe as a friend. I would not even want to be in the same room as the later seasons Phoebe.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 21, 2016 17:25:47 GMT -5
That's what I understand. And considering that more than one fan thinks that Piper/Leo and Phoebe/Cole are factors that contributed to the deterioration of Piper and Phoebe's characters, perhaps Ms. Burge was on to something. If Constance goal was for the sisters to remain single for the rest of their lives then no wonder Kern came in. Them getting married and having kids would've been put off til the flashforward in the finale. Translation: The show wouldn't have jumped the shark (a show never includes marriage and kids until they're out of storylines...), would've continued to be about three sisters who happened to be witches and not all about their men, and I think would've been a much better show. The end of 'Just Harried' felt like a series finale - and that's what it should've been. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 20:23:41 GMT -5
If Leo hadn't returned, I reckon Dan would have appeared less; without the love triangle stuff to do. I imagine the size of his role would have been more like Jack Sheridan.
As for "endgame", hard to say. I'll always be Team Mark Chao personally, but I know that's not very realistic.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 21, 2016 20:25:19 GMT -5
If Leo hadn't returned, I reckon Dan would have appeared less; without the love triangle stuff to do. I imagine the size of his role would have been more like Jack Sheridan. As for "endgame", hard to say. I'll always be Team Mark Chao personally, but I know that's not very realistic. Oh, if only! If Piper had to marry someone dead, why couldn't it have been Mark? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 14:09:24 GMT -5
That's what I understand. And considering that more than one fan thinks that Piper/Leo and Phoebe/Cole are factors that contributed to the deterioration of Piper and Phoebe's characters, perhaps Ms. Burge was on to something. I agree. I don't think these writers really knew how to write big relationships (especially magical relationships) well, so Connie was probably smart to want to avoid those kinds of storylines. She might have not been the best writer ever, but she at least seemed to know what her strengths and weaknesses were, unlike Kern. (Who kept on attempting to do huge story arcs and "epic" romances, despite having zero sense of continuity whatsoever.) Despite the rushed marriage, I think it was ultimately a blessing that Henry didn't show up until the final season. The writers never had the opportunity to turn Paige/Henry into another Piper/Leo or Phoebe/Cole, so they're far better remembered and more liked among fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 19:43:32 GMT -5
Kern couldn't do a romantic story arc if his life depended on it. His attempts to do so just turned the sisters into unlikable characters.
Paige and Henry dodged a bullet here, didn't they. Kern and his writers had no time to ruin them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 1:25:31 GMT -5
Kern couldn't do a romantic story arc if his life depended on it. His attempts to do so just turned the sisters into unlikable characters. You could already see it happening as early as Season 3. Piper's descent into being a whiny, selfish b!tch who hated her life pretty much started when she married Leo, and there's no question that lying about vanquishing Cole was the beginning of the end for Phoebe. Prue was SO lucky that Andy died at the end of Season 1.  Paige and Henry dodged a bullet here, didn't they. Kern and his writers had no time to ruin them. I think Paige, in general, dodged a bullet by not having any long-term relationships until the very end of the show. Notice how she was the only one of the three who was never completely hateable in the later seasons? Even at her ditziest, she was only annoying rather than completely detestable like Piper and Phoebe. (Remember, that even at her lowest points, Paige still always seemed to care about innocents and her Charmed duties, all the while Piper was whining about her life and Phoebe was having sex on her office desk.) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 12:25:30 GMT -5
Even pre-Henry, Paige's major romances, Richard and Kyle, only lasted a few episodes. Thankfully, not enough time to drag Paige's character down the way Piper and Phoebe were dragged down.
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Post by charmedagain4 on Feb 23, 2016 13:24:40 GMT -5
I believe I am one of the few who wouldn't have minded that Dan and Piper stayed together and Leo moved on. Even though Leo and Piper's love is so interesting, I believe that Dan and Piper were supposed to be endgame. I liked Dan's character and how he was there for Piper during most of season 2. Leo was their whitelighter and that's all he should've been after season 1. He should've moved on and let Piper and Dan enjoy their growing love for each other. Piper and Dan loved each other, but it's just that Piper loved Leo more. I think if Leo didn't give up his wings and didn't come around as often, Piper would've fell in love with Dan more than she was with Leo.
I still enjoy Piper and Leo's love, but I always wanted to see if Dan and Piper would've made it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 19:26:43 GMT -5
I don't think Piper and Dan were meant to be endgame. I don't think the writers even thought about bringing Dan into the equation until after they knew Brian was coming back. Dan was merely a foil.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 23, 2016 19:45:37 GMT -5
I don't think Piper and Dan were meant to be endgame. I don't think the writers even thought about bringing Dan into the equation until after they knew Brian was coming back. Dan was merely a foil. I thought so, too, but now I wonder. After Piper losing Leo in Season One, Dan - someone who IF SHE TOLD HIM HER SECRET RIGHT AWAY and who could help her with her club, etc. and give her a halfway normal life - would've made the perfect rebound guy. Maybe not as endgame - since Constance Burge was still in charge, she wasn't looking at marriage and kids as the endgame the way Brad Kern did - but as a rebound. Especially because I think if Ted King had signed his contract (meaning Brian Krause would only have been part of Season One), if there was going to be a couple making up the endgame, it would've been Andy and Prue. |
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Post by Sadrick on Feb 23, 2016 23:52:36 GMT -5
I'no not so certain on that. Remember what Andy said regarding Prue's lifestyle as a witch?
He admitted that the amount of time given for him to consider everything would not have changed the end result of his decision. It's not something that he wants to be constantly bound to in his professional and private life. Now if he had been allowed to live and Constance had the foresight to plan for the sisters reaching a point where they can choose to give up their powers or not, then it might be possible -- that's assuming it comes at the end of the series.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 24, 2016 0:24:10 GMT -5
I'no not so certain on that. Remember what Andy said regarding Prue's lifestyle as a witch? He admitted that the amount of time given for him to consider everything would not have changed the end result of his decision. It's not something that he wants to be constantly bound to in his professional and private life. Now if he had been allowed to live and Constance had the foresight to plan for the sisters reaching a point where they can choose to give up their powers or not, then it might be possible -- that's assuming it comes at the end of the series. But remember. Constance Burge didn't want anyone to get married. As long as you had that difference, that wouldn't happen right away. But eventually it could've and I think had she remained in charge it would've as the series finale, the first time anyone would get married, at the end of Season Four, if the series went that long. First to admit that it probably wouldn't have, but if it did... |
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Post by West on Mar 16, 2016 7:10:30 GMT -5
Leo didnt become an official regular until mid season 2. But original scripts continued listing him as a guest star until 3.
So although Dan may have not been endgame. I still think Leo may not have been set to be much bigger until they secured him as a regular, or was the love triangle always planned.
Maybe Leo was truly originally going to leave in P3H20. Connie could have been still fighting over keeping him for the first part of season 2 and lost out again when Brad Kern had signed him on and secured him in the show.
It didnt feel like the first half of season 2 had made it appear they were keeping Leo. Felt like a way to phase out Leo and have her move on with Dan. It isnt until Awakened that i felt they change plans for Leo to stay once they knew he was upgraded to regular.
I felt Leo/Piper rushed being married in season 3. Really felt extremly early especially in a supernatural drama. Just Harried felt like a story for much later or a series final.
The events of Magic Hour make a much better season final cliffhanger. So the following season picks up months with Leo gone. That seems better saved for the end with Piper pregnant with her first child.
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 16, 2016 11:36:58 GMT -5
I have never taken into account as husband Dan, man unsuited to a witch,but I'ld have liked a slower course of story between Piper and Leo
I remember that Leo had thought about marriage as a sacred symbol that even the Elders cannot break, statement that reassured me putting the Elders in their place of magical creatures and not gods
Once gotten the permission to live their love story they had no reason of being in a hurry to get married
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