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Post by jdpm1991 on May 29, 2016 18:13:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 23:39:49 GMT -5
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Post by Nimue on May 30, 2016 1:25:41 GMT -5
What exactly is the point of this post? I'm not trying to be rude here, but I'm tired of Charmed being trashed, and Buffy being hailed as the greatest television show to ever grace the screen. Don't get me wrong, I love Buffy, but it's frustrating when it's always compared to other shows. I enjoy Charmed despite its flaws, its lack of continuity, and couldn't care less that Buffy is supposedly the better show. Witches rule!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 1:32:52 GMT -5
How often do people compare the two shows? Once In A Blue Moon? (hehe). How about we compare Charmed to Dawson's Creek or Roswell or Sabrina the Teenage Witch or Smallville or Angel.....no wait... the Gilmore Girls. What a dick! From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_The_WB :
Charmed (1998–2006) – Charmed originally aired from October 7, 1998, until May 21, 2006, on The WB Television Network.[94] The first episode, "Something Wicca This Way Comes", garnered 7.70 million viewers, breaking the record for the highest rated debut for the Warner Brothers Network.[95] In January 2006, producer Brad Kern declared that Charmed was the longest running hour-long series featuring all female leads (Murder, She Wrote ran for 12 seasons but only has a single female lead, and The Facts of Life ran for 9 seasons but was a 30-minute sitcom).[96] However, this has now been surpassed by Desperate Housewives, which also ran for eight seasons but had 2 more episodes. The series finale, "Forever Charmed", ended with a season high of 4.5 million viewers.[97] In 1998, the Warner Brothers Television Network began searching for a drama series, and looked to Spelling Television, which had produced the network's most successful series 7th Heaven, to create it. Expanding on the popularity of supernatural-themed dramas, the production company explored forms of mythology to find mythological characters they could realize with contemporary storytelling.[98] In order to create the series, Burge was hired as the creator as she was under contract with 20th Century Fox and Spelling Television after conceiving the drama Savannah.[98] When the theme of witchcraft was first pitched to her, she was aware of stereotypes of witches (flying brooms, black cats, and warts). After Wicca research, she changed her perspective[99] and aimed at telling a story of good witches who looked and acted like ordinary people. With this, her initial concept was a series set in Boston, Massachusetts[99] about three friends and roommates who were all witches.[98] However, executive producer E. Duke Vincent lacked confidence, asking "Why would anybody want to watch a show about three witches?" He proposed that the series focus on family values and developed the series-long mantra of it being about "three sisters who happen to be witches, not three witches who happen to be sisters." Spelling warmed to Burge's ideas and, after the concept was re-crafted to be a series about three sisters (now living in San Francisco) descended from a line of witches,[99] it was pitched to the Warner Brothers' Susanne Daniels, who liked it, allowing the series to begin development.[98] The series was titled Charmed after Spelling's suggestion of House of Sisters was dropped. Burge wrote the pilot's script. They filmed a 28-minute version (the "unaired pilot", never aired on network television) with which the series was picked up by The WB. Upon its debut, Charmed received the largest audience for a series premiere in the network's history.[95] The first season of twenty-two episodes was picked up by Warner Brothers after two shows aired. Charmed proved to be a success early on, with the series' premiere episode "Something Wicca This Way Comes" pulling in more than 7.9 million viewers. The show was ranked the #2 rated show on The WB network (tied with Dawson's Creek and Buffy the Vampire Slayer) with an average of 6.18 million viewers per episode. The show was also extremely successful during its second season with an average of 5.75 million per episode and again tying with smashing Buffy the Vampire Slayer for the #2 slot; during the show's third season, it again placed first, with an average of 6.3 million viewers per episode. Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1997–2001, also on UPN) – Buffy the Vampire Slayer first aired on March 10, 1997, (as a mid season replacement for the show Savannah) on the WB network, and played a key role in the growth of the Warner Bros. television network in its early years.[91] After five seasons, it transferred to the United Paramount Network (UPN) for its final two seasons. While the seventh season was still being broadcast, Sarah Michelle Gellar told Entertainment Weekly she was not going to sign on for an eighth year; "When we started to have such a strong year this year, I thought: 'This is how I want to go out, on top, at our best."[92] Whedon and UPN gave some considerations to production of a spin-off series that would not require Gellar, including a rumored Faith series, but nothing came of those plans.[93] As previously mentioned, Buffy helped put The WB on the ratings map, but by the time the series landed at UPN in 2001, viewing figures had fallen. Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a series high during the third season with 5.3 million viewers, this probably due to the fact that both Gellar and Hannigan had hit movies out during the season (Cruel Intentions and American Pie respectively) and a series low with 3.6 million during the seventh season. The show's series finale "Chosen" pulled in a season high of 4.9 million viewers on the UPN network. Buffy did not compete with shows on the big four networks (CBS, ABC, NBC, and Fox), but The WB was impressed with the young audience that the show was bringing in. Because of this, The WB ordered a full season of 22 episodes for the series' second season. After the episode "Surprise", which was watched by 8.2 million people, Buffy was moved from Monday at 9 pm to launch The WB's new night of programming on Tuesday. Due to its large success in that time slot, it remained on Tuesdays at 8 pm for the remainder of its original run. With its new timeslot on The WB, the show quickly climbed to the top of The WB ratings and became one of their highest-rated shows for the remainder of its time on the network. The show always placed in the top 3, usually only coming in behind 7th Heaven. Between seasons three and five, Buffy flip-flopped with Dawson's Creek and Charmed as the network's second highest-rated show. In the 2001–2002 season, the show had moved to UPN after a negotiation dispute with The WB. While it was still one of their highest rated shows on their network, The WB felt that the show had already peaked and was not worth giving a salary increase to the cast and crew. UPN on the other hand, had strong faith in the series and quickly grabbed it along with Roswell. UPN dedicated a two-hour premiere to the series to help re-launch it. I didn't watch Buffy so I read these to compare. Would you recommend watching Buffy? was it better Charmed fans? |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 1:41:54 GMT -5
From thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/post/new/11709 about Buffy! Between seasons three and five, Buffy flip-flopped with Dawson's Creek and Charmed as the network's second highest-rated show. In the 2001–2002 season, the show had moved to UPN after a negotiation dispute with The WB. While it was still one of their highest rated shows on their network, The WB felt that the show had already peaked and was not worth giving a salary increase to the cast and crew. UPN on the other hand, had strong faith in the series and quickly grabbed it along with Roswell. UPN dedicated a two-hour premiere to the series to help re-launch it. Wow! I didn't know this. Buffy was so lucky to be transferred to UPN! What if Charmed did the same. Or even had a flip to ABC? It would have only worked with the original three actresses I suppose. UPN may have thought that the Shannen-Alyssa feud wasn't worth messing with? Who knows? It was the network that screwed Charmed. Spelling and E Duke were pretty much the "Elders". They had no damn clue. |
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Post by West on May 30, 2016 2:05:24 GMT -5
What exactly is the point of this post? I'm not trying to be rude here, but I'm tired of Charmed being trashed, and Buffy being held as the greatest television show to ever grace the screen. Don't get me wrong, I love Buffy, but it's frustrating when it's always compared to other shows. I enjoy Charmed despite its flaws, it's lack of continuity, and couldn't care less that Buffy is supposedly the better show. Witches rule! Im a huge buffy fan. I hate comparing. Charmed should compare to other witch shows not Buffy at least. But I love them both. I hate comparing them. It annoys the hell out of me at times when people do. I wish we had a separate board devoted to comparing charmed to buffy or other shows. I see why people online get annoyed by comparisons brought up many times. |
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Post by adzpower on May 30, 2016 4:59:53 GMT -5
Who cares about ratings? I only care about the quality of shows in terms of production values, acting, scripts, story telling etc. Buffy had all these and more. Charmed didn't a lot of the time, but it was still enjoyable. You don't have to be the mona lisa to be a enjoyable painting.
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Post by Chrisaholic on May 30, 2016 8:11:12 GMT -5
I've watched both shows and I don't like comparing as well. Each show has its flaws and maybe a good creator/network can live with that. Besides, each show attracts other viewers, so there's no way for comparing at all.  |
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Post by sol on May 30, 2016 8:31:23 GMT -5
I agree, I watched both and I love Charmed and don't love Buffy,and this is my personal opinion, I love shows that no one here seem have ever watched, many fans talk about fantasy show as Sabrina or Supergirl that I have not the slightest desire to see
We are different people with different tastes and habits and it's the difference that makes a discussion lively and interesting
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Post by West on May 30, 2016 9:38:04 GMT -5
I agree, I watched both and I love Charmed and don't love Buffy,and this is my personal opinion, I love shows that no one here seem have ever watched, many fans talk about fantasy show as Sabrina or Supergirl that I have not the slightest desire to see We are different people with different tastes and habits and it's the difference that makes a discussion lively and interesting Exactly so. We all have different tastes and it can be annoying if we compare other shows to charmed people dont watch. Why that discussion needs its own thread or board. There are shows people may not like that I do. Like I hate game of thrones. Yet its so popular with everyone. I seem to not jump on board so quickly with shows that everyone says oh but everyone likes it they go. I have a mind of my own but that doesnt mean i oppose those discussions. Thats just a personal opinion and view. But its nice to see that even though charmed is what brings us all together. We still have other habits and tastes in other shows. Thats the fun of forums and discussions. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 10:54:09 GMT -5
Let's face it folks, whether we like it or not, Charmed will always be standing in Buffy's shadow.
I mean Charmed owes its very existence to Buffy. It was that success of Buffy that convinced the WB that this 90's Girl Power was a thing for their shows. So when Charmed came along, they were quick to greenlight it. Had Buffy been a flop, I honestly couldn't see the WB giving Charmed a second look.
Another advantage that Buffy had was that, since Joss Whedon owned the show, he had complete creative control over it. If he felt that the WB executives were sticking their noses in too close, he would not hesitate to give them precise anatomical directions on what they could do with their "advice".
Unfortnately, Charmed had no such advocate. This gave the WB carte blanche to meddle with Charmed as much as they liked, and they did. And it didn't help matters that Brad Kern, who should have fought for the show, was instead the WB's lapdog. He should have demanded a bigger budget for Season Eight, or at least one big enough to keep Dorian and Brian on the show. And if the WB had been unwilling to meet that demand. Well, good-bye, they already had a decent finale with Something Wicca This Way Goes.
If Charmed had enjoyed the same perks that Buffy had enjoyed, most of all a strong show runner who was not afraid to tell the WB executives to get stuffed, then perhaps Charmed would be better remembered today.
Alas, we'll never know.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 11:21:04 GMT -5
It's almost not even fair to compare Buffy and Charmed, as the shows were on horribly unequal playing fields to begin with.
Buffy aired on a network that respected it and had a showrunner who deeply cared about the quality of the show and was willing to defend it at any cost. The show was rarely subjected to executive meddling, and when the WB could no longer afford the show, Whedon had the power to take his show to another network and get the same carte blanche treatment.
Charmed, on the other hand, was stuck on a network that had no respect for it whatsoever and was constantly subjected to budget cuts, executive meddling, and poor promotion. On top of that, it also had a showrunner who cared more about his paycheck than the quality and integrity of the show and blindly did whatever the network told him to do, even if it came at the cost of good storytelling.
If it seems like Charmed never grew as a series compared to Buffy, it's because the show never had a chance to. Put Charmed in different, better hands, and then you'd have a fair comparison.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on May 30, 2016 14:31:29 GMT -5
I can't compare the publics opinion on the two shows, but really why would I? Some random group of people I don't know isn't going to change how I look at the shows. I watched neither show while it was airing. I own all seasons of both shows (plus Angel). I own every Charmed comic that has come out and not one Buffy or Angel comic. I quit watching Buffy around season four, because I was bored. I felt between Buffy and its spin-off, Angel, that Angel was the more interesting show. I still have not seen season five of Angel though. I won't deny that there are a couple of episodes of Charmed I still haven't seen. They are in the second half of season seven and I've seen many episodes in the second half of season seven, including several that I really like. I just keep getting distracted by Psych and Hogan's Heroes and several other shows, but I think I'm on my third watch through of Psych and I've watched Hogan's Heroes at least half a dozen times through.
For me it really comes down to two facts. I love Charmed. I kind of like Buffy. Oh, and one more fact. I enjoyed the Buffy movie (which I understand Joss Weadon didn't like) better than any episode of Buffy or Angel that I have seen. If I ever decide to downsize by Buffy and Angel stuff due to lack of watching, I'm keeping that movie. Charmed won't be downsized, so that's not an issue.
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Post by adzpower on May 30, 2016 15:52:40 GMT -5
For me, had I been the executive producer of Charmed, aka Kern, if they'd offered me a season 8 with THAT budget. I would have simply declined. Season 7 was a good enough ending. I would have asked for a much larger budget, Brian Krause for the whole season and Ivan Sergei as a recurring guest star. No one else except maybe trying to tempt Shannen back for a cameo appearance. Had they said no I would have said ok bye.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 16:40:00 GMT -5
Buffy was considered the jewel in the WB's crown. They were always promoting it as THE show to watch on the WB. When Whedon defected to UPN, taking Buffy with him, they never quite recovered from that. Many say that this even was what began the fall of the WB.
After they lost Buffy, the WB should have started giving Charmed the same treatment they gave Buffy, including keeping the executives away. Charmed might have had a better chance then. However, the WB did exactly the opposite. They constantly meddled in the production of Charmed. Of course, Kern is not totally off the hook here, as I said, he could have tried to fight for the show's integrity. Yet, he never did.
Another thing that helped Buffy was that critics were always raving about it. Charmed, not so much, in fact, many critics unfairly labeled Charmed as a poor man's Buffy, which certainly didn't help matters.
I read somewhere an interview he gave in which he revealed that, when he first heard of the Season Eight budget, he did consider declining. Considering the season we got, I think most fans wish he had declined.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 17:54:23 GMT -5
Buffy was considered the jewel in the WB's crown. They were always promoting it as THE show to watch on the WB. When Whedon defected to UPN, taking Buffy with him, they never quite recovered from that. Many say that this even was what began the fall of the WB. After they lost Buffy, the WB should have started giving Charmed the same treatment they gave Buffy, including keeping the executives away. Charmed might have had a better chance then. However, the WB did exactly the opposite. They constantly meddled in the production of Charmed. Of course, Kern is not totally off the hook here, as I said, he could have tried to fight for the show's integrity. Yet, he never did. Another thing that helped Buffy was that critics were always raving about it. Charmed, not so much, in fact, many critics unfairly labeled Charmed as a poor man's Buffy, which certainly didn't help matters. Yeah, as I said, Charmed just never had the same opportunities as Buffy to grow and shine as a series. Buffy probably would've been plagued with many of the same issues as Charmed if it had constantly been subjected to budget cuts and executive meddling. The way the Frog Network treated Charmed almost ensured that the show would never be able to grow into something great. Of course, Kern certainly isn't blameless either. Unlike Whedon, Kern cared very little about the quality of the show's writing and mostly just saw Charmed as a paycheck. He was happily willing to let the WB destroy the show so long as he got paid, and it's not like he himself contributed much to the show, anyways. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 23:25:10 GMT -5
Charmed really needed someone like Joss Whedon in charge. Someone willing to stand up to the WB and fight for the show.
Kern's constant failure to do so cost Charmed dearly in the long run.
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Post by Sadrick on May 31, 2016 2:32:01 GMT -5
In fairness to Charmed, it's not like it really began pushing to emulate Buffy until around Season 3. Before that point it was still very much its own distinct show, albeit more soap opera esque and less daring. And let's not take Buffy off the hook for its own imperfections. Didn't Marti Noxon become the showrunner of Buffy in Season 6? Many people credit S6 as being where the decline truly began occurring. Charmed also began veering far off to the side after Season 4. It really should have ended there on a semi-high note instead of trying to perpetuate itself for another four long years of mediocrity.
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Post by magena on May 31, 2016 6:35:25 GMT -5
In fairness to Charmed, it's not like it really began pushing to emulate Buffy until around Season 3. Before that point it was still very much its own distinct show, albeit more soap opera esque and less daring. And let's not take Buffy off the hook for its own imperfections. Didn't Marti Noxon become the showrunner of Buffy in Season 6? Many people credit S6 as being where the decline truly began occurring. Charmed also began veering far off to the side after Season 4. It really should have ended there on a semi-high note instead of trying to perpetuate itself for another four long years of mediocrity. I'm deeply relieved that they continued for eight seasons, so those who love only the first three season are free to stop watching the others and who is so crummy to love all the eight seasons can enjoy another five years lived for better or for worse with the sister |
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Post by magena on May 31, 2016 6:43:41 GMT -5
I agree, I watched both and I love Charmed and don't love Buffy,and this is my personal opinion, I love shows that no one here seem have ever watched, many fans talk about fantasy show as Sabrina or Supergirl that I have not the slightest desire to see We are different people with different tastes and habits and it's the difference that makes a discussion lively and interesting Exactly so. We all have different tastes and it can be annoying if we compare other shows to charmed people dont watch. Why that discussion needs its own thread or board. There are shows people may not like that I do. Like I hate game of thrones. Yet its so popular with everyone. I seem to not jump on board so quickly with shows that everyone says oh but everyone likes it they go. I have a mind of my own but that doesnt mean i oppose those discussions. Thats just a personal opinion and view. But its nice to see that even though charmed is what brings us all together. We still have other habits and tastes in other shows. Thats the fun of forums and discussions. That's right For example, I love Games of Throne, despite the excess of sex and violence and I understand those who don't love it at all and respect their opinions I cannot stand those who tells me that it's absolutely impossible not love somethings Maybe we look at the sisters and their stories from different point pf view and that makes fun to exchange ideas |
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