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Post by charmedforlife28 on Feb 16, 2017 23:32:36 GMT -5
Do we ever know what happened in the evil future to Melinda. I never remember them mentioning her in Chris-Crossed, they only mentioned Chris and Wyatt.
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Post by sol on Feb 17, 2017 1:17:08 GMT -5
Melinda belongs to the first timeline
If you think, she was the age that Wyatt'ld be in 2009
I believe that in the first timeline, the sisters had abandoned the magic, they weren't the Triad or the Source' target, then Phooebe never met Cole and Piper and Leo got married before
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Post by Assassin Witch on Feb 18, 2017 14:57:13 GMT -5
Melinda does not exist in the Chris-Crossed future.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 18, 2017 15:37:05 GMT -5
We don't know that. She might have been one of those who has already been killed - meaning Melinda Prudence Halliwell who we saw with Wyatt and Chris during the flashforward, not Melinda Wyatt, the Wyatt of the Morality Bites universe, since the two Melindas most definitely are not one and the same, no matter what the Charmed wiki thinks. The ages don't match.
It just depends upon when exactly Leo made his disconnect with his family. Since I don't think he became an Elder before the Titan attack (that was all due to Chris' interference...) I think it happened after Piper died, so that means it's highly likely that what happened in S7 and S8 also happened in the original timeline, including Prudence Melinda and all the cousins.
I know Charmed Sons fans don't like hearing that, but it's what makes sense.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Feb 19, 2017 2:57:24 GMT -5
Wait I'm confused, so you think the Charmed ones are dead? Or at least still die when Chris turns 14?
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Post by adzpower on Feb 19, 2017 6:10:07 GMT -5
I don't think she ever existed in the Criss-Crossed future.
If I remember rightly (I try to watch season six as minimally as possible, it gives me a headache), Leo vanished "up there" shortly after Chris was born, before he and Piper could reconcile and get pregnant again, hence why Chris has so much resentment towards Leo, he abandoned his family and allowed Gideon to turn him away when they needed him most. In this timeline, Leo leaving his family is what caused Gideon to win. Wyatt turned evil, possibly killed The Charmed Ones, and Melinda was never born.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 19, 2017 6:24:19 GMT -5
I honestly do not think she existed. Let's think about it, if Leo left sometime after Chris was born. I don't think Piper and Leo were together to even have a third child. This future does not have a Melinda at all.
Which brings me to another point, the series never confirmed a third child. Now correct me, but did they 100% state that Piper had a daughter in the flashforwards. I cannot remember.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Feb 19, 2017 11:33:51 GMT -5
It was never stated in canon who the little girl with Wyatt and Chris is. Maybe from Kern''s mouth or comics, but never in show.
So anyone can imagin who they want her to be.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 19, 2017 12:12:21 GMT -5
I don't think she ever existed in the Criss-Crossed future. If I remember rightly (I try to watch season six as minimally as possible, it gives me a headache), Leo vanished "up there" shortly after Chris was born, before he and Piper could reconcile and get pregnant again, hence why Chris has so much resentment towards Leo, he abandoned his family and allowed Gideon to turn him away when they needed him most. In this timeline, Leo leaving his family is what caused Gideon to win. Wyatt turned evil, possibly killed The Charmed Ones, and Melinda was never born. No. When Leo actually disconnected with his family is *NEVER* discussed during the series, only in fanfics. Otherwise Chris never would've been conceived or born. If I'm wrong - and I probably watch S6 even less than you do - and someone wants to post the conversation where it says so - remembering that I count anything Chris says as a lie - please do. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 19, 2017 12:15:47 GMT -5
It was never stated in canon who the little girl with Wyatt and Chris is. Maybe from Kern''s mouth or comics, but never in show. So anyone can imagin who they want her to be. Yup, you're right. But to say that she *is* their sister (and to me, she's Prudence Melinda, not Melinda Prudence, but since most fans think of her as Melinda since that's what she's named in the comics, so it's become fanon, I went with it this once) and could've been part of the original future is just as correct of an answer as to say she isn't. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 19, 2017 12:18:20 GMT -5
Wait I'm confused, so you think the Charmed ones are dead? Or at least still die when Chris turns 14? No, not in the changed future, just in the original future. Where Chris lied was saying that Paige was killed by the Titans. That very obviously is not true or the tour guide (and her words are the only ones I trust regarding the future - I definitely don't trust that little liar, Chris, who also lied when he said there was no such thing as family to Piper, knowing how much that would hurt her.) wouldn't have said this: SOURCE: transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=4812 No way they vanquished a thousand demons before 'Oh, My Goddess!'! And whether they were vanquished together or separately, we'll never know. We don't even know for sure if Piper died when Chris was 14 - that's something he could've lied about in order to hurt Victor - and he'd be hurting everyone by lying to them so they wouldn't find out what really happened. But what he said, if it was a lie, was always what would hurt that person the most and distract them from finding out what really happened. Hence, except for what the tour guide said, we'll never know for sure. If just once he had apologized for all of his lies, then I could trust what he said, but since he never did, I never did, and I still don't. But I don't think they ever found out that the evil in the future was their sweet little son/nephew - we did; they didn't - only in fanfics - so that's why he kept lying, even after they knew who he was. Again, if I'm wrong about that, please quote it. But all of this is why I'll always count Chris as the True Big Bad of Charmed (his name should've been Brad...) and S6 as my least-favorite season. If someone could show me where I'm wrong (and remember, quoting Chris won't convince me...), I'd love to hear it. And, of course, all of his lies are truly due to all of the inconsistency of the writings. It's still obvious to me that Chris was supposed to be the Big Bad with Wyatt as the Good Son and Chris as the younger, dark-haired jealous one, especially since Chris was only supposed to be part of the series for 8 episodes, but once they found out that Holly was pregnant so they decided to keep him in and by that point, most of the fans were fascinated by the idea of Chris and the future, they changed it, making Chris the good guy and Wyatt the bad guy, but never once did they do what they should've done - had Chris apologize for his lies. So since, as has been said, what's only on screen is canon, we have to go with that, which means we can't trust a single word he says. Of course, if fans want to believe that he apologized off-screen, they'd be right. But I'm just as right in saying he didn't, and probably more right because he'd have no reason to apologize as long as they didn't know that Wyatt was the evil in the future. They should've had an episode where the sisters went to the future and found out what happened for themselves... But, since they didn't... As far as I'm concerned, with what we were shown, what I believe is true is just as much of a correct answer as to whether Piper's daughter existed in either universe. I'm probably the only fan who thinks this way, but I do. I still think that 'Forever Crap', I mean 'Forever Piper', I mean 'Forever Charmed' is Piper's delusion as she dies after the explosion in 'Kill Billie, Vol 2', which obviously didn't happen the first time around for the same reason. But this would mean that although Prudence Melinda MIGHT have existed in the original universe, she for sure wouldn't in the changed one. The fact that it's obvious that the flashforward was supposed to show all three sisters with three kids each and then not even having Piper give her daughter a name just shows that it's nothing more than a delusion - what Piper *wishes* would happen, but didn't. And, yes, I think the comics are a totally different universe, just like S4-8 is a totally different universe from S1-3. |
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Post by unakite on Feb 19, 2017 16:49:32 GMT -5
The tour guide didn't tell when the Charmed Ones were killed, if Chris didn't lie, it happenedfifteen years after Oh, My Goddness
Sorry, I can't understand it: in Prince Chamed, Chris told them
In season six, Leo decides to get away from his family after the attack of the Darklighter, during Wyatt's birthday
Chris was conceived before Leos' decision
I think that Chris altered the new timeline by his mere presence, Leo himself told Piper he was around only because he cannot trust Chris
I think that the only Melinda in Charmed was Piper's little girl in Moraity Bites
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Feb 19, 2017 16:51:31 GMT -5
Do you mean the charmed ones never found out about Wyatt being the evil that destroys the future?
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 19, 2017 17:36:26 GMT -5
The tour guide didn't tell when the Charmed Ones were killed, if Chris didn't lie, it happenedfifteen years after Oh, My Goddness But CHRIS told them that Paige was killed by the Titans. If that was the case, no way they could've also been killed fifteen years later! Paige's death should've ended the Charmed Ones long before they vanquished a thousand demons. I've always said I'm one of the few fans who can admit when she's wrong and that it's been ages since I've watched S8. Once more I get to do it again - sorta. I can see why fans would believe him, but I can see why I didn't the first time around and still don't. This is as close to an apology as he ever comes - which is why I still didn't/don't believe him. But if other fans want to, they're as correct as I am. When can you trust a liar to not be lying when he doesn't apologize for the earlier lies? Again, if Chris was the true evil, you can see how him saying this would make the sisters to think otherwise. And since the Order *wasn't* the true Big Bad that turned Wyatt (in my own almost-novel, "No Greater Love..." they are...), see? He's still lying. She's right. which is why I don't think they ever did, so neither did I. But again, if fans want to, they can. Piper's mistake... Why should she have ever trusted him after all the lies? No, he's been fooled into thinking that Chris is good. Source of quotes: transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=4810Exactly true. He didn't. And he knew he didn't. He said he knew how to stop it when he knew he *didn't* know how to stop it. Still lying. Remember, Wyatt still turned evil in Season Seven. It *wasn't* the Order that did it. Had this been the series finale so 'Imaginary Fiends' not aired, then I'd trust him. As is, I still don't believe a word he says. But if other fans want to, yes, I can see why they would. And I love that thanks to all of the inconsistencies of the show, we can see how the other is as correct as we are, even if we believe in a totally opposite thing. |
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Post by sol on Feb 20, 2017 2:37:26 GMT -5
This was a lie and it's easy to understand it watiching Chris Crossed Chris: What do I tell them?
Bianca: Don't tell them anything. Just stick to your cover story. The less they know about the future, the better. The "cover story", or the Titans hoax, in fact Chris intervenes replacing Phoebe, ready with the vials, not changing absolutely nothing compared to what happened in his timeline Bianca: Not with this spell, that's why we need it. Look, just remember, protect baby Wyatt and you protect the Charmed Ones. Keep them alive for our future. Bianca is convinced that protecting his brother, Chris'll save the Charmed Ones, and this is a nice question, given that Chris doesn't have any idea about who turned Certainly the loss of their mother in adolescence has had a major impact on both the boys, but Bianca seems convinced that what happened to Wyatt has somehow affected the sisters's life In Chris Crossed, Wyatt appears with some demon-guards and proclaims a total indifference to good and evil, he believes only in the power:without his demons, more than a warlock Wyatt'ld seem a political  Wyatt always will risk all to turn evil, not only because he was born in the Manor but mainly because ever since he was a newborn its enormous power attracted the forces of evil About Melinda, she was the daughter Piper'ld have if they quit their witches staus |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Feb 23, 2017 10:22:12 GMT -5
I don't think that a sister existed in this timeline where Chris came from. If she did, she might have been killed with their Mom but we have no evidence here. Since Chris was so tight lipped about his future.
As for being Wyatt being evil in that same timeline, I take it with Chris' death it was erased. In S7, Wyatt turned evil because of his toy, Wuvey and Vicus. Still, it happened again with Wyatt but under different circumstances. We shouldn't forget that each human can be good or evil, with witches it might depend on a lot more than with humans.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Feb 23, 2017 17:11:46 GMT -5
Wait what does being born in the manor do? |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 23, 2017 18:46:32 GMT -5
Wait what does being born in the manor do? We're told that Phoebe is more likely to turn evil because she was born in the Manor which sits on the nexus of both a wiccan pentagon and a spiritual one. So was Wyatt. Prue, Piper and Chris weren't. |
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Feb 23, 2017 19:02:40 GMT -5
Wait what does being born in the manor do? We're told that Phoebe is more likely to turn evil because she was born in the Manor which sits on the nexus of both a wiccan pentagon and a spiritual one. So was Wyatt. Prue, Piper and Chris weren't. Oh gotcha, I have seen this mentioned on other threads so I wasn't sure what made the manor make them possibly turn evil. |
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Post by sol on Feb 24, 2017 1:54:45 GMT -5
The Nexus was the problem, they think that a baby born near a point of balance between good and evil could have been more fragile, more attracted by ambiguous forces
Wyatt stands as a living Nexus when he claims to be beyond good and evil
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