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Post by Hexenwerk on Mar 10, 2018 0:59:54 GMT -5
To me, I see the nitpicking the details as a way of demonstrating that love? It's fun to unravel the show as both a viewer and writer and to discuss theories with other fans. I don't just want to watch the show, I want to engage with it and other fans. I don't think that criticizing something is to hate it or to be a false fan, especially since I'm a creative and academic writer and I'm familiar with the process of both having my work taken apart and taking apart others, and in a proper writing group or with a good editor it's always with the intent of making it better. There's really not much conversation to be had if all anyone talks about is how much we love x character or episode. Not saying that that's a bad way to be a fan, it's fun to have threads like those, but sometimes I want to discuss something like the issues concerning representation in Charmed. It helps oneself and others to develop a more critical way of perceiving media rather than passively processing it.
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Post by West on Mar 10, 2018 2:20:59 GMT -5
Completely disagree.
To say someone isn't a fan just because they don't agree with everything in a show in no way says they are not a fan.
The point of a forum is to engage and discuss. If we all came on and agreed and were not being honest. Threads die quickly.
Of course we all see Charmed differently. Some love different episodes, seasons or sisters.
As long as we respect each other and understand our views can differ in some places, and can still get along. And not push our opinions onto someone because we can't accept the fact that others dont agree with us. That's all that matters.
Some here find that discussions based on what they felt needed improving on Charmed, or wished we saw on the show but didnt fuels fanfictions. One of the best things to come out of the show.
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Post by West on Mar 10, 2018 2:26:22 GMT -5
To me, I see the nitpicking the details as a way of demonstrating that love? It's fun to unravel the show as both a viewer and writer and to discuss theories with other fans. I don't just want to watch the show, I want to engage with it and other fans. I don't think that criticizing something is to hate it or to be a false fan, especially since I'm a creative and academic writer and I'm familiar with the process of both having my work taken apart and taking apart others, and in a proper writing group or with a good editor it's always with the intent of making it better. There's really not much conversation to be had if all anyone talks about is how much we love x character or episode. Not saying that that's a bad way to be a fan, it's fun to have threads like those, but sometimes I want to discuss something like the issues concerning representation in Charmed. It helps oneself and others to develop a more critical way of perceiving media rather than passively processing it. Well said! Exactly. Similar to what I just said in my response just in my own words. The fun about a forum is pulling apart an episode and looking at it with different perspectives. But we do show love. Isn't that the point of all the favorite episodes polls, list your favorite moments from each season and other threads sharing our love of the show. We can have it both ways. |
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Post by Hexenwerk on Mar 10, 2018 2:27:30 GMT -5
Completely disagree. To say someone isn't a fan just because they don't agree with everything in a show in no way says they are not a fan. The point of a forum is to engage and discuss. If we all came on and agreed and were not being honest. Threads die quickly. Of course we all see Charmed differently. Some love different episodes, seasons or sisters. As long as we respect each other and understand our views can differ in some places, and can still get along. And not push our opinions onto someone because we can't accept the fact that others dont agree with us. That's all that matters. Some here find that discussions based on what they felt needed improving on Charmed, or wished we saw on the show but didnt fuels fanfictions. One of the best things to come out of the show. Yes, since coming onto this board I have begun to feel motivation to write fanfiction for the first time in months, and I get new ideas here all the time along with the sense that there are people who do want to read Charmed fanfiction! |
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Post by West on Mar 10, 2018 2:33:52 GMT -5
Completely disagree. To say someone isn't a fan just because they don't agree with everything in a show in no way says they are not a fan. The point of a forum is to engage and discuss. If we all came on and agreed and were not being honest. Threads die quickly. Of course we all see Charmed differently. Some love different episodes, seasons or sisters. As long as we respect each other and understand our views can differ in some places, and can still get along. And not push our opinions onto someone because we can't accept the fact that others dont agree with us. That's all that matters. Some here find that discussions based on what they felt needed improving on Charmed, or wished we saw on the show but didnt fuels fanfictions. One of the best things to come out of the show. Yes, since coming onto this board I have begun to feel motivation to write fanfiction for the first time in months, and I get new ideas here all the time along with the sense that there are people who do want to read Charmed fanfiction! I'm glad this forum has fueled your creative juices. I enjoy what people bring to the table. I've started getting back to reading Charmed fanfiction for the first time in a longtime. |
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Post by Hexenwerk on Mar 10, 2018 2:50:01 GMT -5
Yes, since coming onto this board I have begun to feel motivation to write fanfiction for the first time in months, and I get new ideas here all the time along with the sense that there are people who do want to read Charmed fanfiction! I'm glad this forum has fueled your creative juices. I enjoy what people bring to the table. I've started getting back to reading Charmed fanfiction for the first time in a longtime. Same. I've been so focused on essays and the novella and poems that I'm trying to publish that I've forgotten what it was like to write something merely for the sake of relaxing and bringing enjoyment to other fans! Likewise, and it's great to see the interpretations that other fans have of the characters, plot, etc. It's easy to fall into the mindset that one's own perception into the show is the only right one, so forums like this one are helpful to remember that there are other perspectives that are just as valid. |
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 10, 2018 3:14:38 GMT -5
Plus with seasons such as S6 and S8, can you really blame us? I was just watching the last two episodes of S8 and it felt so darn disney-ish and I'm beginning to understand why Esmeralda calls it Forever Piper but even that is bad...I mean I like Piper and Leo but this season was so not needed. They could have just rewritten the S7 ending and had this same ending, introducing Henry and Coop in the previous season. Gods I'll be so happy if at least the finale of Charmed is declared non-canon.
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Post by Hexenwerk on Mar 10, 2018 3:23:38 GMT -5
Plus with seasons such as S6 and S8, can you really blame us? I was just watching the last two episodes of S8 and it felt so darn disney-ish and I'm beginning to understand why Esmeralda calls it Forever Piper but even that is bad...I mean I like Piper and Leo but this season was so not needed. They could have just rewritten the S7 ending and had this same ending, introducing Henry and Coop in the previous season. Gods I'll be so happy if at least the finale of Charmed is declared non-canon. I don't feel that they're going to declare the finale of Charmed non-canon, if only because I feel that the reboot is acting as if the original show doesn't have any bearing on it at all. Different universe entirely, if you will. |
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 10, 2018 3:31:21 GMT -5
I know - I just felt it was a very strange finale.
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Post by rebooted on Mar 10, 2018 5:22:24 GMT -5
I love Charmed.
I feel like I held onto the coat tails of the Girl Power Phenomenon of the 90's while in the process of coming out. as a teenager.
I'm 30 now, was 11-19 when Charmed aired and was/still am very close with my sister ( 4 years younger ) and my cousin sister ( 1 year younger than me).
I still remember being in Intermediate School, having moved to a new Suburb and school in Auckland discovering Charmed when being babysat with one of my Aunties. The episode was Dream Souceror. And although it is considered one of the poorer episodes of Season 1, I was immediately drawn to the sisterhood, Shannen, Holly AND Alyssa, the sisterly relationship and the difference personalities. The individual powers. The being different, but saving the world from evil and being a meaningful contribution to society.
I related to Charmed on so many different levels as a child/teenager, even as an adult.
But to reply to your post. Yes, I really only love Seasons 1 - 4 with a bit of 5 (the beginning until Centennial, Cat House, Sense & Sensibility), 50% of Season 7 (Build up to Avatars, anything Zankou and Scry Hard to SWTCComes (preferred ending)), Vaya Cons Leos, Paybacks a Witch, anything Paige and Henry until the 8. I liked Kill Billie Vol 2 and honestly didn't mind the Season 8 finale because I was a Grams, Mom, Victor, Adult Wyatt Fan. Not so much Chis or Billie but I loved Daryl and Cole when they weren't entirely pathetic.
So I guess I would say that I liked about 65-70% of Charmed.
I stuck in until the end because I felt like the Charmed family was a apart of my family and I was theirs. After all we had gone through all the Deaths, most notably Prue's which was well handled and executed at the beginning of Season 4, the weddings, Piper and Leo's will always be special to me as well as Paige and Henry's to be honest and the babies - moreso Baby Chris and Ladybug from Phoebe's vision in Witchness Protection.
I'm excited about the reboot because I hope it speaks to strong feminism and strong the values of female leadership through its different lense of diversity for a new generation of women to round out this decade and into the 2020's!
Season 4 is my favourite because of the raw emotion and acting from the leads and the sinisterness of the last half of The Seer, Phoebe & Source-Cole.
I think the Best could be considered, the last two-thirds of Season 1 until the beginning of Season 2 and then from Mid Season 2 until the beginning of Season 3.
Thank you to all those involved in making Charmed because its definately something I use even as an adult as an escape when sometimes life gets too much! Good television I say!
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Post by Elle Em on Mar 10, 2018 8:15:44 GMT -5
From what Ive gathered, most of the regular posters here absolutely hated most of Charmed's run. Why be in a Charmed fan forum when you hated most of the episodes? Just asking This is supposed to be a site where we talk about how awesome Charmed was. Instead I see mostly negativity. Most of you seem like critics instead of fans. Why so much negativity on a site thats supposed to be fun? And why so much hate for a show you claim to love? I am a true Charmed fan. So when I watch, I watch for enjoyment. I dont watch to nitpick about every little detail of every little detail. Idk....Ill leave it at thatI guess I respect that you enjoy the show in its entirety, but I'd like to offer a counterpoint. A lot of people say the opposite of love is hate, but it isn't. It's apathy. If I truly didn't love the show, I wouldn't be here. I would have forgotten about it a long time ago. I love a lot of the show, and I hate a lot of it. But both of those feelings come from a place of passion for it. I'm passionate about the parts of it I love because of just that: I love it. I'm also passionate about the parts I hate, because they could have been done so much better, and the show had so much potential it didn't reach. When I first watched the show, I didn't like the second half as much as the first, but I didn't yet have the words to be able to express why. And when I started to realize that I had real problems with it, I felt bad about that. I tried to ignore it because of how much I loved the first half. But admitting to myself that I hate probably about half of the show allowed me to love the other half that much more. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 10, 2018 9:16:50 GMT -5
From what Ive gathered, most of the regular posters here absolutely hated most of Charmed's run. Why be in a Charmed fan forum when you hated most of the episodes? Just asking This is supposed to be a site where we talk about how awesome Charmed was. Instead I see mostly negativity. Most of you seem like critics instead of fans. Why so much negativity on a site thats supposed to be fun? And why so much hate for a show you claim to love? I am a true Charmed fan. So when I watch, I watch for enjoyment. I dont watch to nitpick about every little detail of every little detail. Idk....Ill leave it at thatI guess I respect that you enjoy the show in its entirety, but I'd like to offer a counterpoint. A lot of people say the opposite of love is hate, but it isn't. It's apathy. If I truly didn't love the show, I wouldn't be here. I would have forgotten about it a long time ago. I love a lot of the show, and I hate a lot of it. But both of those feelings come from a place of passion for it. I'm passionate about the parts of it I love because of just that: I love it. I'm also passionate about the parts I hate, because they could have been done so much better, and the show had so much potential it didn't reach. When I first watched the show, I didn't like the second half as much as the first, but I didn't yet have the words to be able to express why. And when I started to realize that I had real problems with it, I felt bad about that. I tried to ignore it because of how much I loved the first half. But admitting to myself that I hate probably about half of the show allowed me to love the other half that much more. Completely disagree. To say someone isn't a fan just because they don't agree with everything in a show in no way says they are not a fan. The point of a forum is to engage and discuss. If we all came on and agreed and were not being honest. Threads die quickly. Of course we all see Charmed differently. Some love different episodes, seasons or sisters. As long as we respect each other and understand our views can differ in some places, and can still get along. And not push our opinions onto someone because we can't accept the fact that others dont agree with us. That's all that matters. Some here find that discussions based on what they felt needed improving on Charmed, or wished we saw on the show but didnt fuels fanfictions. One of the best things to come out of the show. I've never wanted the like button back as much as I have right now, because I'd love to "like" all of these except for the first post. But these particular two reflect my feelings more than the others. There's a reason why the Cafe is one of the very few Classic Charmed boards still in existence (once the reboot one gets going, I'm sure there will be a lot of ones for it popping up) and that's because on it, everyone is allowed their own opinion no matter if they love all of the show, only love one character, only love one half, only love one season. But all are fans. Maybe they're not "true" fans in some people's eyes, but they're passionate fans who love it so much that they want to suggest how the parts that they don't like can be fixed. When I first started being active here - during Season Six - most of the members hated Prue and loved Chris. There was even an "I hate Prue" thread and most of the posts on that one agreed. I was the other way around. But rather than calling me names and saying I wasn't a true fan and making me feel unwanted, they allowed me to explain my reasons and slowly but surely, usually as the members grew older, they could see my point of view, and I'm going to guess that now it's the other way around as far as those two characters are concerned. If you feel that strongly about Cole as you obviously do, Josh, then rather than knocking other fans, keep explaining why you feel the way you do and you may convince others the same way. But just remember - they're allowed their opinions just as much as you're allowed yours. As West said, it's the fact that we love parts of this show so much that we hate others and wish it was better. And as Elle Em put it, "Hate isn't the opposite of love; apathy is" and the one thing you'll never find on this forum is apathy! For some of us, that includes the way Cole was written, especially in Season Five. But the fact that you think otherwise doesn't make you wrong and us right anymore than me saying I loved Prue and hated Chris when most of the members thought the opposite made them right and me wrong or made me right and them wrong - it just makes us different with different points of view depending upon our own life experiences. And those differences is what's kept this forum going for almost 20 years. And in my eyes, those differences still makes us all fans - including you. |
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Post by Chris on Mar 10, 2018 11:42:13 GMT -5
We don't hate Charmed, we just have different views and opinions. It's like how I love Season 6 while others don't, it just has to do with our own views. Or another example is that I like the character of Chris while others here do not. It's nothing bad, and as long as I've been here whether it's posting or that one word I that's at the tip of my tongue, I just can't think of it right now since I just woke up... when you're looking through a thread but don't post much... Anyway, my point is is that as long as we treat each other with respect and don't go on a ranting tangent, we're very respectful towards each other talking about a show we watched while it aired on while it's still on Netflix or through the DVD's.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 10, 2018 11:54:03 GMT -5
We don't hate Charmed, we just have different views and opinions. It's like how I love Season 6 while others don't, it just has to do with our own views. Or another example is that I like the character of Chris while others here do not. It's nothing bad, and as long as I've been here whether it's posting or that one word I that's at the tip of my tongue, I just can't think of it right now since I just woke up... when you're looking through a thread but don't post much... Anyway, my point is is that as long as we treat each other with respect and don't go on a ranting tangent, we're very respectful towards each other talking about a show we watched while it aired on while it's still on Netflix or through the DVD's. *nods* Exactly so. (My new version of hitting the like button...) |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 10, 2018 17:12:02 GMT -5
The one time I'd wish we had a like button, so I would like everyone's replies. So I'm just going to say everyone here all brought up many great responses. So I'm just going to say well done Charmed Cafe members.
As for adding my own point. Everyone is entitled to like what they like and none of us hate Charmed. We're free to express our appreciation for Charmed in whatever way we want. Most of the time, I have had different opinions than others, but I'm still able to be friendly and get along with others here.
The Charmed fandom is still alive and kicking, thanks to everyone having different opinions and views and offering a different take to Charmed.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 10, 2018 20:17:49 GMT -5
The one time I'd wish we had a like button, so I would like everyone's replies. So I'm just going to say everyone here all brought up many great responses. So I'm just going to say well done Charmed Cafe members. As for adding my own point. Everyone is entitled to like what they like and none of us hate Charmed. We're free to express our appreciation for Charmed in whatever way we want. Most of the time, I have had different opinions than others, but I'm still able to be friendly and get along with others here. The Charmed fandom is still alive and kicking, thanks to everyone having different opinions and views and offering a different take to Charmed. Exactly, EXACTLY so! |
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 10, 2018 23:41:05 GMT -5
I’m sure We all here love charmed. We wouldn’t have signed up to be on this board if we didn’t. Any criticism we give is just our way of wishing the writers wrote our favorite actors better from each of our different perspectives on certain episodes or seasons. But we each all have our ultimate favorite episodes and seasons and rewatch them or talk about them as much as we can. We are all entitled to have our least and most favorites.
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Post by cyma on Mar 11, 2018 6:25:09 GMT -5
"I am a true Charmed fan. So when I watch, I watch for enjoyment. I dont watch to nitpick about every little detail of every little detail. Idk....Ill leave it at thatI guess." Umm...sweetie? Have you ever seen or met cricket fans? Or any other sport where lots of running is involved? When things are going great, their cheers could be heard from the moon. But when it's the opposite, they scream, rage, literally foam at the mouth with food and drink inside it. They throw things at TV. Doesn't matter its expensive. There is cursing at the players and their ancestors. Oh the nitpicking. Every microsecond of nick picking, whining, complaining and just ripping the game to shreds  And respect? Hahaha. What exactly is that supposed to be again? Charmed fans' negativity is a cute cuddly kitten compared to Godzilla of negativity those fans generate. But does this extremely negative behavior mean these people are unfaithful, untrue fans of the game? Or what you said...not even fans? Hell. No. Just thinking about them simply watching a game without being nitpicky, negative and highly critical, would be as if the Avatars swooped in and cast a spell on them. They then erased the rest of the unaffected fans from existence so they don't cause conflict in their Utopia. New headcanon. Anyways, I don't know how you came to the conclusion that fans are just supposed to express their love for the show because that’s how you do it. Those who don't, couldn't possibly be fans or are false fans or critics. Take a look around you. It’s just not true. This hate comes out of a place of love. I hate abuse and torture of animals because I love animals. I hate corruption, terrorism and greed, because it's destroying my country. And I love my country so much that it physically hurts to see it being hurt. I hate the direction Charmed took in the later seasons because I loved Charmed so much in the earlier seasons. And didn't you make this thread judging us of not being fans because you were frustrated and hated the negativity? Where exactly did your hate and frustration come from? The Demon of Hate?  Nah. More like Cupid's arrow or ring  Which means you love Charmed. You really passionately, love Charmed. Aww....  If you haven't figured it out by the posts before me, everyone else is crazy in love, passionate to the point of obsession for Charmed as well. Fun is kinda subjective. I like, nah, love love love anything that goes super fast, rollercoasters, plane speeding up to take off, cars and motor cycles going over a 100, horses etc. But other people just…end up screaming in terror as if they’re going to die or something. *Sigh* But I respect their feelings when they refuse to ride the rollercoaster with me. Or whimper not to go above 40 in car.  Can’t let them out of a plane however cause I’m not a flying, lol. Anyways, you get pleasure from watching all seasons of Charmed and not nitpicking? That’s cool. I respect that. But it’s not enough enjoyment for me. It’s like driving a car on 20 for me. My fun is taking a hammer, swinging it at Charmed and breaking it into a million pieces. Then observing and analyzing each piece from a million different angles. Other fans being nitpicky is actually helpful. The different fan perspectives, whether positive or negative about characters, seasons and storylines then bring loads of fanfic ideas. Conflict, tension and negativity are inevitable when many fans holding completely different ideas and opinions about a show all get together in one place. However, it's exactly these same conflicting ideas and opinions which ultimately results in completely fresh and brand new ideas and perspectives about the show! Something which otherwise would never have been possible for me had I simply been exclusively hanging around fans who shared my views on Charmed. But respect, respect and more respect are the key ingredient for the magic to happen between two and more people who each possess a completely different perspective coming together to share their thoughts and feelings with each other. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 11, 2018 7:14:53 GMT -5
And why so much hate for a show you claim to love? This hate comes out of a place of love. I hate abuse and torture of animals because I love animals. I hate corruption, terrorism and greed, because it's destroying my country. And I love my country so much that it physically hurts to see it being hurt. I hate the direction Charmed took in the later seasons because I loved Charmed so much in the earlier seasons. And didn't you make this thread judging us of not being fans because you were frustrated and hated the negativity? Where exactly did your hate and frustration come from? The Demon of Hate? Nah. More like Cupid's arrow or ring Which means you love Charmed. You really passionately, love Charmed. Aww.... If you haven't figured it out by the posts before me, everyone else is crazy in love, passionate to the point of obsession for Charmed as well. Conflict, tension and negativity are inevitable when many fans holding completely different ideas and opinions about a show all get together in one place. However, it's exactly these same conflicting ideas and opinions which ultimately results in completely fresh and brand new ideas and perspectives about the show! Something which otherwise would never have been possible for me had I simply been exclusively hanging around fans who shared my views on Charmed. But respect, respect and more respect are the key ingredient for the magic to happen between two and more people who each possess a completely different perspective coming together to share their thoughts and feelings with each other. Could NOT agree more if I tried. This is the reason why the Cafe has continued for as long as we have. We respect your love of all the episodes and all of the seasons, but we hope you can do the same with those of us whose love for the show is so passionate that we can accept its faults and wish that it was better and try to figure ways of making it better - for a lot of us, the biggest fun of being a member of the Cafe. I look forward to coming to the Cafe every day, just imagining the fun I'll have of sharing my love with passionate fans who are just as passionate about the show as I am, even after all this time. |
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Post by cyma on Mar 11, 2018 8:30:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain I wouldn't have joined the Cafe or even bothered with reading Charmed posts or fanfics had the later seasons of Charmed been to my liking. There also wouldn't be this strong burning passion which was born out of frustration. And of course, no passion also means no Charmed fanfic writing from me.
But most of all, never knowing other Charmed fans and their feelings and ideas about the show.
So crazily, Brad Kern ruining Charmed actually turned out to be a good thing too? O.o Bringing us all together and stuff.
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Can’t let them out of a plane however cause I’m not a flying, lol.