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Post by CharmedFaith on May 24, 2018 21:37:41 GMT -5
Doing a brief rewatch of the show starting tonight and it got me wondering....are there are any storylines you wish the show had explored or storylines you wish had gone another way?
Since I'm on the pilot, I think it would've been good to keep up the mystery of who was killing witches for a couple of episodes instead of getting rid of Jeremy so quickly. I guess he was kind of like the original Cole.
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Post by rebooted on May 25, 2018 5:56:03 GMT -5
What I like about the beginning of Season 4 is how we get to know more about Paige (in Charmed Again P1 an P2, HHNF, A Knight to Remember and in A Paige from the Past.
At the beginning of Season 4, Piper, Phoebe, Leo, Cole, Paige and Daryl are really likeable characters.
When the show and producers thought that the show wouldn't pick up for a 5th Season, they rushed the cool intro to Paige, Cole being a good guy, Phoebe still being Fun and Piper still neurotic, still understanding how to take over from Prue as the oldest sister.
I wish Season 4 was more like Season 2, the sisters still learning how to interact and bond with each other. But instead, they rushed, possible 2 Seasons worth of storyline with the Cole/Source, Queen of the Underworld arc which was a shame.
Unexplored Storylines...would be
1) Phoebe's daughter coming back from the future or seeing Phoebe develop into a Fun Mom!
2) Paige's birth and the lead up to that with Penny, Patty and Sam.
3) Phoebe and Paige actually knowing and playing with each other as children! I love how in Charmed Again, Phoebe says to Paige, "Have we met somewhere before/Do I know You from Somewhere?" and Paige says "No, I don't think so", Before she gets a Premonition of Shax attacking Paige. It would be cool to have seen Phoebe and Paige interact as children, like on a playground or school event something. They were a good team!
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Post by Granny Charmed on May 25, 2018 19:26:29 GMT -5
What I like about the beginning of Season 4 is how we get to know more about Paige (in Charmed Again P1 an P2, HHNF, A Knight to Remember and in A Paige from the Past. At the beginning of Season 4, Piper, Phoebe, Leo, Cole, Paige and Daryl are really likeable characters. When the show and producers thought that the show wouldn't pick up for a 5th Season, they rushed the cool intro to Paige, Cole being a good guy, Phoebe still being Fun and Piper still neurotic, still understanding how to take over from Prue as the oldest sister. I wish Season 4 was more like Season 2, the sisters still learning how to interact and bond with each other. But instead, they rushed, possible 2 Seasons worth of storyline with the Cole/Source, Queen of the Underworld arc which was a shame. Unexplored Storylines...would be 1) Phoebe's daughter coming back from the future or seeing Phoebe develop into a Fun Mom! 2) Paige's birth and the lead up to that with Penny, Patty and Sam. 3) Phoebe and Paige actually knowing and playing with each other as children! I love how in Charmed Again, Phoebe says to Paige, "Have we met somewhere before/Do I know You from Somewhere?" and Paige says "No, I don't think so", Before she gets a Premonition of Shax attacking Paige. It would be cool to have seen Phoebe and Paige interact as children, like on a playground or school event something. They were a good team! I agree I do wish that it was like S2. Actually, S5 would even have been great too, after all the drama with the Source/Cole arc, it made perfect sense to go back to the S2 style of story-telling and just keep Piper's pregnancy as the Piper/Leo/Dan arc, with just one story arc all season. Obviously, I'd *want* Cole to remain left behind in S4 too. Even if I truly wished S4 was planned better, but obviously they did it that way because they thought S4 may be the last season, and it really was two seasons worth of story dear. Now if they knew they would have a S5, then I'd want Paige's introduction handled with grace. So perhaps Charmed Again Part 1 dears would basically be covered over the first 3 episodes at least. With then not finding out Paige is their sister until the fourth. Now, I'd love if they had not introduced Paige right away but slowly build her up, and we just focus on Piper, Phoebe, Cole and Leo for some episodes.
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Post by prudencehalliwell on May 26, 2018 19:33:50 GMT -5
Victor and Paige, this is the one S4 plot that truly was unexplored. I wanted to see how Victor felt about Paige. It was all off-screen.
I'm surprised A Paige From the Past wasn't dealing with how Paige was born and given away. That may have made a great episode to explore.
Even one flashback episode or even time-traveling showing us how Victor and Patty meet, that could have been more fun than Witchstock.
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Post by nightowl on May 27, 2018 3:33:32 GMT -5
Morality Bites follow up. I wanted the sequel. Too bad they didn't use the sequel as the series finale of Charmed when Piper is arrested after the manor blew up. Paige survived and orbed unconscious in the middle of town and Phoebe is dead.
Just an idea but yes a follow up would have been cool. Even if it meant Season 8 time jumped to 2008 so S8 could get to 2009 later in the season.
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Post by Hexenwerk on May 28, 2018 0:17:53 GMT -5
I was watching the twentieth episode of the first season a week ago and it felt like they were setting up Charon for something big, only for her to never appear again. (I'm guessing maybe because they got rid of Andy and decided to take the show in a different direction?) I would've loved to see her return as the big bad of an arc.
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Post by mute90 on Jun 4, 2018 14:16:36 GMT -5
I wish they had done a lot more with the dark future story.
- For one, they could involve all three of the sisters. Wyatt's already Piper's. I always wanted Chris to be Phoebe's. They could introduce a child of Paige's or just have Paige herself be the leader of a future resistance. (I'd prefer the latter.) - They could also add more flash-forwards that go throughout the season, showing Wyatt's reign and Future-Paige. Maybe have astral-Phoebe interact with Future-Paige.
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Post by purelywyatt on Jun 4, 2018 16:49:52 GMT -5
I know the writers didn't think that they were gonna lose Shannen but, in the season 3 episode "Wrestling with The Demon" that lost & found spell that Phoebe and Piper cast could've located Paige. I mean socks and a dog was found; why not a long lost sister? Also, I would have enjoyed a storyline with Paige falling off the wagon with alcohol. Maybe losing an innocent or something brings her back to the bottle and even makes her develop PTSD. That would have been an interesting arc.
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Post by Hexenwerk on Jun 4, 2018 18:19:28 GMT -5
I know the writers didn't think that they were gonna lose Shannen but, in the season 3 episode "Wrestling with The Demon" that lost & found spell that Phoebe and Piper cast could've located Paige. I mean socks and a dog was found; why not a long lost sister? Also, I would have enjoyed a storyline with Paige falling off the wagon with alcohol. Maybe losing an innocent or something brings her back to the bottle and even makes her develop PTSD. That would have been an interesting arc. Does Paige count as lost when she was given away?
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Post by purelywyatt on Jun 4, 2018 19:50:49 GMT -5
I know the writers didn't think that they were gonna lose Shannen but, in the season 3 episode "Wrestling with The Demon" that lost & found spell that Phoebe and Piper cast could've located Paige. I mean socks and a dog was found; why not a long lost sister? Also, I would have enjoyed a storyline with Paige falling off the wagon with alcohol. Maybe losing an innocent or something brings her back to the bottle and even makes her develop PTSD. That would have been an interesting arc. Does Paige count as lost when she was given away? True. But, wasn't it a To Call a Lost Witch spell that brought her to her sisters? I wouldn't call Paige a lost witch either if that's the case.
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Post by Hexenwerk on Jun 4, 2018 19:55:05 GMT -5
Does Paige count as lost when she was given away? True. But, wasn't it a To Call a Lost Witch spell that brought her to her sisters? I wouldn't call Paige a lost witch either if that's the case. Maybe it's the context of the word 'lost'? With lost in the term 'lost & found,' it's generally expected to be an object that has been misplaced somehow (and occasionally pets, which are viewed as possessions more than autonomous beings by most). Like, people aren't termed as lost & found. Whereas the word 'lost' in the context of 'to call a lost witch' is probably broad in meaning; after all, Piper and Phoebe were trying to use the spell to get Prue back, a witch who is 'lost' in the meaning of dead.
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Post by Elle Em on Jun 7, 2018 7:15:31 GMT -5
They could have extended the plots of seasons 3 and 4 out to two seasons each. There was more than enough material there. For just the Phoebe and Cole stories, it could have been that the audience didn't find out that Cole was a demon until mid-season 3. Then the sisters don't find out until the season 3 finale, when Phoebe pretends to vanquish him. Then midway through season 4, the truth has come out and Cole is back. The second half of season 4 could be Phoebe taking Cole back and him trying to win her sisters' trust while dealing with the Brotherhood.
As far as stories that really didn't get touched on at all, I would like to have seen a lot more flashbacks. I'd most want to see how Paige was born and given up. They could tell her story through a few minutes of flashbacks of Patty and Sam together, first happy to be together, then finding out Patty is pregnant, and then them at the church, handing off Paige. I know they told the story in the show, but I think it would have been great to actually see these things.
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Post by universalcharmed on Jun 16, 2018 1:04:32 GMT -5
I would have loved to see the Warren Line of witches explored more. Melinda prophecy foretold each generation of witches in her bloodline getting stronger and I wish we actually got to see how. To me they never represented that well on the show. P.Russel, P.Bowen and P.Baxter didn't really seem stronger than Melinda although they came a good 200 years after her. Same with Patty and Penny who seemed to only posses one of Melinda's powers. The show portrayed Melinda as one of the strongest witches in the Warren line but if her prophecy is to be believed then she would be among the weakest in her bloodline.
I would have also loved for them to have further expand on the Whitelighter and Elders? How they came to be. Who created them? How do one truly become an elder? If Elders are simply Elder Whitelighters then do all whtielighters have the same power of Elders they simply haven't tapped into them? They sorta touched on it in the comics but not really.
I know people hate magic school but I thought it was nice and wish we got more on it. I think if further explored it could have introduced other prominent witch families.
Basically plot points that would have explored on 3 of the most important things in charmed: Warren Bloodline, Whitelighter/Elders, and Witches.
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Post by Hexenwerk on Jun 16, 2018 3:45:23 GMT -5
I would have loved to see the Warren Line of witches explored more. Melinda prophecy foretold each generation of witches in her bloodline getting stronger and I wish we actually got to see how. To me they never represented that well on the show. P.Russel, P.Bowen and P.Baxter didn't really seem stronger than Melinda although they came a good 200 years after her. Same with Patty and Penny who seemed to only posses one of Melinda's powers. The show portrayed Melinda as one of the strongest witches in the Warren line but if her prophecy is to be believed then she would be among the weakest in her bloodline. I would have also loved for them to have further expand on the Whitelighter and Elders? How they came to be. Who created them? How do one truly become an elder? If Elders are simply Elder Whitelighters then do all whtielighters have the same power of Elders they simply haven't tapped into them? They sorta touched on it in the comics but not really. I know people hate magic school but I thought it was nice and wish we got more on it. I think if further explored it could have introduced other prominent witch families. Basically plot points that would have explored on 3 of the most important things in charmed: Warren Bloodline, Whitelighter/Elders, and Witches. Yeah, that's an issue I had with that part of the prophecy, too, though I'm willing to excuse the fact that Melinda seemed stronger than descendants of hers because she's the source of the prophecy and perhaps isn't including herself in it so much as from her daughter onwards. I appreciate how Melinda was brought into the show so early, I thought it established a great sense of the Charmed Ones' heritage and made the gravity of their position more real. (And I would have loved to have seen her reappear at least once more a couple of seasons or so down the line, not counting when Piper delivered her as a newborn.) It would be interesting to see a mini-series made of the Warren witch line, maybe an episode per ancestor or something (plus a fun excuse for period pieces like the '20s in "Pardon My Past"). Same! While I preferred it when Whitelighters and Elders weren't prominent in the series, I wish they had gone into further detail after establishing them. Not to mention that in the first season the Elders are called the Founders, I believe? So how did they get their position and establish the whole Whitelighter system, and when did Whitelighters first come about? I'm not sure if those questions are addressed in the comics since I haven't read them.
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Post by Granny Charmed on Jun 16, 2018 14:52:45 GMT -5
I was perfectly happy dears with the elders are portrayed early on. Unseen forces and the longer the show ran the worse they became. Not acting like how I'd feel Elders should be.
But how they wrote them in S1 & S2 was different to how Kern wrote them. Blinded by the Whitelighter was when they went from they or them to the Elders.
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Post by universalcharmed on Jun 16, 2018 15:49:03 GMT -5
I was perfectly happy dears with the elders are portrayed early on. Unseen forces and the longer the show ran the worse they became. Not acting like how I'd feel Elders should be. But how they wrote them in S1 & S2 was different to how Kern wrote them. Blinded by the Whitelighter was when they went from they or them to the Elders. I actually feel like the Elders acted perfectly given their roles. They were suppose to represent authoritative figures within society. Look at our politicians, our community leaders, or even out parents. They don't always make the most popular decision but that doesn't always means their decision was bad. The worst the Elders did was Gideon trying to kill Wyatt. However in his mind he was doing it for the greater good the same way the Sisters vanquished Phoebe unborn child. Now yes you can create an accuse as to why the Phoebe situation was different but it would be nothing more than an excuse. I feel like the Elders were represented perfectly as far as how they acted. I feel like they were suppose to be the people that called the big shots for the greater good and those shots weren't nor should have always been popular. Also I had no issue with what the Elders did to Piper and Leo. He knew the rules before he signed on and he could have left if he wanted. I do wonder how you felt the Elders should have been portrayed as far as personality?
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Post by pheebs on Jun 28, 2018 16:11:53 GMT -5
Didn't Paige have a drinking problem. Wouldn't it have been fun if she relapsed and this been a way to bond the sisters with them helping Paige go back on the right path. At the same time later Paige helps Piper and Phoebe truly grieve and get over Prue's death.
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Post by Hexenwerk on Jun 28, 2018 17:47:53 GMT -5
Didn't Paige have a drinking problem. Wouldn't it have been fun if she relapsed and this been a way to bond the sisters with them helping Paige go back on the right path. At the same time later Paige helps Piper and Phoebe truly grieve and get over Prue's death. She did! I was never really pleased with how her former addiction was never mentioned again, especially considering the fact that she was in P3 a lot. This would've been a good storyline to see and could've been a good callback to the earlier days of the show when it dealt with more relatable issues.
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Post by Granny Charmed on Jun 28, 2018 17:58:00 GMT -5
Didn't Paige have a drinking problem. Wouldn't it have been fun if she relapsed and this been a way to bond the sisters with them helping Paige go back on the right path. At the same time later Paige helps Piper and Phoebe truly grieve and get over Prue's death. She did! I was never really pleased with how her former addiction was never mentioned again, especially considering the fact that she was in P3 a lot. This would've been a good storyline to see and could've been a good callback to the earlier days of the show when it dealt with more relatable issues. Me too dears! That would have been a fun story to do. I think doing it in Season 5 would have been a great time and a good call-back to the earlier seasons. Especially if it means mentioning Prue and her troubles that the sisters and Grams had to deal with back in the day.
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Post by Hexenwerk on Jun 28, 2018 18:11:29 GMT -5
She did! I was never really pleased with how her former addiction was never mentioned again, especially considering the fact that she was in P3 a lot. This would've been a good storyline to see and could've been a good callback to the earlier days of the show when it dealt with more relatable issues. Me too dears! That would have been a fun story to do. I think doing it in Season 5 would have been a great time and a good call-back to the earlier seasons. Especially if it means mentioning Prue and her troubles that the sisters and Grams had to deal with back in the day. Agreed!
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