Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 30, 2018 7:22:23 GMT -5
I hate the whole "virgin blood" thing, your blood doesn't suddenly change after having sexual intercourse. For once Mel's feminist ranting was accurate, virginity is just a concept used to control a woman's sexuality. Just screw the Elders. I'm so sick of them interfering and being such annoying assholes, I can't wait for these girls to inevitably rebel against them. *sigh* You're undoubtedly right. The Elders will be the patriarchy that the sisters will decide to tumble. It's too obvious. Which means their Elders will be Kern's assholes rather than Burge's "THEY" who truly were the leaders of Good. And that changed my mind. That's *not* something I want to binge-watch. If the Elders were truly good and agreed that the sisters no longer needed them, like what happened in the comics with the Angels of Destiny, yes, that's something I'd want to binge watch. But not something that's supposed to show what they want to have happen in our world. In our world, women can be just as bad as men and men can be just as good as women. It just hit me. This is why they decided to reboot Charmed as compared to other shows that starred strong women - because it included asshole mostly-male Elders! |
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Post by Sasha on Oct 30, 2018 15:33:19 GMT -5
*sigh* You're undoubtedly right. The Elders will be the patriarchy that the sisters will decide to tumble. It's too obvious. Which means their Elders will be Kern's assholes rather than Burge's "THEY" who truly were the leaders of Good. And that changed my mind. That's *not* something I want to binge-watch. If the Elders were truly good and agreed that the sisters no longer needed them, like what happened in the comics with the Angels of Destiny, yes, that's something I'd want to binge watch. But not something that's supposed to show what they want to have happen in our world. In our world, women can be just as bad as men and men can be just as good as women. It just hit me. This is why they decided to reboot Charmed as compared to other shows that starred strong women - because it included asshole mostly-male Elders! Figures. Although isn't the first Elder to appear a female on the reboot? |
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Post by askfreebie on Oct 30, 2018 15:47:04 GMT -5
*sigh* You're undoubtedly right. The Elders will be the patriarchy that the sisters will decide to tumble. It's too obvious. Which means their Elders will be Kern's assholes rather than Burge's "THEY" who truly were the leaders of Good. And that changed my mind. That's *not* something I want to binge-watch. If the Elders were truly good and agreed that the sisters no longer needed them, like what happened in the comics with the Angels of Destiny, yes, that's something I'd want to binge watch. But not something that's supposed to show what they want to have happen in our world. In our world, women can be just as bad as men and men can be just as good as women. It just hit me. This is why they decided to reboot Charmed as compared to other shows that starred strong women - because it included asshole mostly-male Elders! Yep! Plus the fact you can easily get three women as the main characters. Judging by the promo for next week little has changed about the Elders, they're still willing to let an innocent person die just to get rid of a demon.
EDIT: The only way for a truly good version of the Elders could ever work was if they didn't interfere with the sisters lives and they wouldn't be Elders if they weren't interfering assholes.
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Post by West on Oct 30, 2018 16:19:42 GMT -5
It just hit me. This is why they decided to reboot Charmed as compared to other shows that starred strong women - because it included asshole mostly-male Elders! Yep! Plus the fact you can easily get three women as the main characters. Judging by the promo for next week little has changed about the Elders, they're still willing to let an innocent person die just to get rid of a demon.
EDIT: The only way for a truly good version of the Elders could ever work was if they didn't interfere with the sisters lives and they wouldn't be Elders if they weren't interfering assholes.
I hate they are bringing them in this early and looks like they will be the same as usual and play a more central role throughout. I guess most fans love them. Since I got into an argument on another site (although that was more a commenting style place, not a forum) and so many lashed onto me, saying they praise the idea of letting the Elders be introduced this early, and hating that Classic Charmed had them being unseen for so long. I'm not liking the idea of the Elders interfering with the sister's lives. I just hate that these sisters are taking orders already from them, and none of them are allowed to grow on their own. Looks like these reboot writers are just adopting Classic Charmed S4-S8. I barely see any mythology from S1-S3 in it. Where are the Warlocks? Do they even exist? |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 30, 2018 19:07:48 GMT -5
It just hit me. This is why they decided to reboot Charmed as compared to other shows that starred strong women - because it included asshole mostly-male Elders! Yep! Plus the fact you can easily get three women as the main characters. Judging by the promo for next week little has changed about the Elders, they're still willing to let an innocent person die just to get rid of a demon.
EDIT: The only way for a truly good version of the Elders could ever work was if they didn't interfere with the sisters lives and they wouldn't be Elders if they weren't interfering assholes. /div] We'll have to agree to disagree. Connie's "THEY" who were never seen and never interfered (well, Piper always thought so, like when Leo used dust on the manager in 'The Devil's Music' and the vanquish happened at P3 in order to save a bunch of innocent- but notice who's the self-centered one - not the Elders or Leo...and *that's* what made her turn her back on Leo and go after Neighbor Dan and we have the infamous triangle that stops S2 from being my favorite season) But you are right. IF they' re the ELDERS (and not THEY and/or Elder whitelighters, so no different than whitelighters, meaning they're not whatever Kern turned them into but humans like Leo), then they're Kern's and then they *are* interfering assholes who are more demonic than Kern's demons, who were just there for comic relief except for Stalker Cole. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 3:19:39 GMT -5
I agree that the quality is improving every episode, although I still feel they are rushing things a bit. Although my early guess is that Mel is being written as the Super Witch – she already has full control over her freezing power and can produce energy-balls with a spell, but at least they counterbalanced this by showing a few “learning curve” mishaps with Maggie’s glamouring spells and Macy’s telekinesis, which was good. I don’t expect it to be as gradual a development as Classic Charmed was – no way would a present-day show spend an entire season developing its characters powers – but I hope they keep learning “lessons” and not become All-Powerful too quickly. At least the Veras seem to be using their magic more practically and, although Harry has mentioned personal gain it hasn’t (yet) been rammed down our throats!
Although, making Macy a virgin was an interesting surprise. I hope they handle it well as it’s not something we see much of on TV.
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Post by pheebs on Nov 2, 2018 5:19:43 GMT -5
I wonder if Mel being written as the Super Witch is because the actress is billed first among the regulars. So is like Shannen was during Classic Charmed in S1, as the star of the show. I doubt it, but maybe.
But I do feel with how modern shows are these days, viewers are so impatient and want answers and stories to wrap up and get to the point more quickly. So they might not spend too much time doing it as Classic Charmed did.
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Post by Astral Vision on Jan 22, 2019 17:06:34 GMT -5
I actually quite enjoyed this episode. The sisters are gelling well together. Though it is strange that Mel has out of the blue become the one most fascinated in being a witch - her anger from the first episode has really simmered out. Definitely prefer her being more positive about things though.
I will agree that it's annoying to already have the Elders so in our faces only three episodes in. Though as another Charmed callback, I am glad that personal gain is being brought up in this version.
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Post by SimplyAretha on Jan 22, 2019 21:03:53 GMT -5
I liked this episode. Mel is still a little headstrong for me but I'm starting to understand her as the show progresses.
I think Harry as a trainers/advisor works because after all, in a perfect world the mother would be the one training them once she unbound their powers. The girls are major players in a world that they know nothing about or understand completely. It's an open sea of deep water and Harry is the liferaft and Mel has declared herself captain. I think it's clear that Mel is an overachiever who isn't ready to let any man tell her what to do and being raised by a strong single mother, it's all that she knows.
I'm in agreement with the Whitelighters in general. They remind of the Watchers Council in Buffy because in reality are the ones with the power that they somehow have to maintain and regulate for the greater good. I see them as more of a protagonist in these stories, they are the obstacles making things more complicated but then again sometimes rules are important.
I have to say the chemistry science geeky "you complete me line" is soooo cheesy. And I'm here for it.
And Cam's dead. Just when he was recording his truth-telling podcast about witches. Why did Angela choose Cam? Was it because he was a virgin? I need to find a virgin... my mind does not think of a college campus. A part of me just thinks it's a way to tidy up a potential story duplication from the original Charmed about exposure and the pilot episode.
Also, maybe I'm crazy but I already see a possible Macy/Harry connection. Am I the only one?
And the new boy coming to Maggie's defence? Too good to be true...
This episode is the personal gain consequence lesson, I'm sure not the only one because I think Mel might need to hear it more than once.
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Post by West on Jan 22, 2019 21:43:21 GMT -5
I liked this episode. Mel is still a little headstrong for me but I'm starting to understand her as the show progresses. I think Harry as a trainers/advisor works because after all, in a perfect world the mother would be the one training them once she unbound their powers. The girls are major players in a world that they know nothing about or understand completely. It's an open sea of deep water and Harry is the liferaft and Mel has declared herself captain. I think it's clear that Mel is an overachiever who isn't ready to let any man tell her what to do and being raised by a strong single mother, it's all that she knows. I'm in agreement with the Whitelighters in general. They remind of the Watchers Council in Buffy because in reality are the ones with the power that they somehow have to maintain and regulate for the greater good. I see them as more of a protagonist in these stories, they are the obstacles making things more complicated but then again sometimes rules are important. I have to say the chemistry science geeky "you complete me line" is soooo cheesy. And I'm here for it. And Cam's dead. Just when he was recording his truth-telling podcast about witches. Why did Angela choose Cam? Was it because he was a virgin? I need to find a virgin... my mind does not think of a college campus. A part of me just thinks it's a way to tidy up a potential story duplication from the original Charmed about exposure and the pilot episode. Also, maybe I'm crazy but I already see a possible Macy/Harry connection. Am I the only one? And the new boy coming to Maggie's defence? Too good to be true... This episode is the personal gain consequence lesson, I'm sure not the only one because I think Mel might need to hear it more than once. You are not the only one to notice that about Macy/Harry, I've come across comments of people seeing their chemistry online. Macy has more chemistry with Harry than she does Galvin. With Galvin, all I see if friend/co-worker vibes. Harry I really think is the best supporting character in the show over Galvin, Parker, and Niko. Maybe because I just like him |
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Post by SimplyAretha on Jan 23, 2019 16:58:34 GMT -5
Yah I agree, I didn't like the idea of Whitelighter concept but I do like the Harry character.
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Post by West on Jan 23, 2019 20:28:46 GMT -5
 I think he is a good character on his own and has a good fatherly relationship with them, especially Maggie/Harry. |
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Post by latincoffee on Apr 9, 2019 6:45:36 GMT -5
Do the demons have a kink for the college campus?  |
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Post by latincoffee on Apr 9, 2019 6:46:12 GMT -5
I think he is a good character on his own and has a good fatherly relationship with them, especially Maggie/Harry. I like Harry- he's such a cool & funny whitelighter! |
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Post by latincoffee on Apr 9, 2019 8:45:06 GMT -5
Being Puerto Rican and gay myself--I can relate to Mel already.
I noticed that she has the Puerto Rican flag up in her room.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Apr 10, 2019 3:01:14 GMT -5
I like Harry to and how the sisters consider him a father figure/friend rather than a romantic lead like Piper did Leo then negating any potential problems there.
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Post by Lexi on Apr 22, 2019 17:46:57 GMT -5
Episode 3 isn't as memorable as others but I did enjoy it. I liked getting to know the sisters more.
Seeing Maggie as a very stereotypical college freshman was fun. She didn't want to be a witch and hasn't been as interested in it as her sisters, so this episode made sense. She found a use and ended up with consequences.
Mel was a little better although I still didn't like her at this point. However, her rant had a place.
I do like Harry training the women. They need a guide and that's all he is. If he was a woman would the views have been different? There still needs to be a balance between the genders on the show and Harry offers that. The CW wouldn't have accepted the show with a female whitelighter from the beginning. The network didn't want an all female main cast. That's why Wayward Sisters sadly didn't get picked up.
In episode order up to this point, it was stronger than the pilot but weaker than Episode 2. There were a lot of better episodes after.
It does take time for a show to find its feet though. That's all the reboot is doing at this point.
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I think he is a good character on his own and has a good fatherly relationship with them, especially Maggie/Harry. 
