What would Charmed be like if Prue didn’t die & Phoebe did

[louislemon]

I would love to hear your thoughts and if there is already a thread on this then I would love to read it.

[Esmeralda]

We do have other threads that discuss that, but I couldn't find them. Hopefully someone else will.

I think it would all depend upon what they'd do with it. Would they still bring in Paige and would she still be half-whitelighter and the youngest or would they make her older (like in the rip-off) so she wouldn't be as likely to be Phoebe v.2. What would her power be like? Would her premonitions be just like Phoebe's or whitelighter-affected?

It also depends upon what they decide to do with Cole. Would he remain true to Phoebe or take a liking to one of the others? I always thought he and Prue had more chemistry than Cole and Phoebe and Cole being attracted to Phoebe's sister while Prue's attracted to Phoebe's lover could cause all sorts of drama.

There's also the possibility that losing Phoebe would turn Cole totally into Belthazor. Could Phoebe's sister vanquish the man their baby sister loved?

If Prue remained the leader and Piper the heart of the family (and not the crappy leader) while Phoebe remained the lovable Baby, able to write messages in the Book of Shadows or appear as a ghost so she could remain our Phoebs and not become PhoeME, I think it would've been a much better series.

[Elle Em]

I think Prue would go a bit crazy because she would feel responsible for Phoebe's death, as she was always her protector. She'd definitely turn into a fury and it would probably take more to get her back than Piper.

I think Piper would be heartbroken and more sad this time around than angry, like she was with Prue. I think she'd want to welcome Paige more than she did, but simply wouldn't have the energy.

Cole is a problem, because I can't see Prue forgiving him enough to let him stay around. I think if Phoebe died, he'd probably die too. 

I like the idea that Prue would remain the oldest and the leader, while Piper remains the middle child and the heart of the family. If they had Paige still be introduced and she was still the youngest, it would make the most sense because it would only be her role that changed and not Prue and Piper. Paige is not the youngest at heart, having grown up an only child, but she is easily less mature than Prue and Piper, and so fits in the role of the youngest that way, even if not in others. She's also more similar to Phoebe than anyone, so it would cause the least amount of friction in terms of fitting her character in. 

Overall, though, I think it would be kind of boring. Prue and Piper were already the closest before Phoebe died, and would have gotten closer after her death, although I do think that Piper and Paige would be closer in this reality. So Paige would integrate less into the family emotionally because she and Prue were both very independent-minded people, and Prue and Piper would almost always agree on everything, forming a team against Paige. 

If Cole did die, or at least had a diminished role because of Phoebe's death, that just leaves us with Leo, who is a likable and stable character, but also not that interesting, at least to me. 

I'd prefer if Piper were the one who died, and Leo decided to move on with her, thinking that the Source wouldn't bother with trying to kill Prue and Phoebe since the Power of Three was broken. Yet no one knew about Paige, who would come in a bit later than she originally did in the show, after enough time has passed that Prue wouldn't outright reject her due to her grief and where Phoebe wouldn't want to latch onto her immediately due to all the changes in her life. I think this would prove to be the most interesting trio because I see the best parts of Prue and Phoebe in Paige. Plus Cole would still be around to keep things interesting as well.

[goldeneye049]

The season would have been much darker and deeper. I don't think Prue would forgive herself. She wouldn't let anyone touch Piper or Paige and she would be mad at her mother. I think she would be furious and later in the season she will collapse when she realizes she saved Paige but Paige is not Phoebe. Maybe his astral body would flee and not come back, would Prue lose part of her? Until she summons her and become a fury ?
My order of preference for a season 4:
1) prue piper Phoebe
2) prue Phoebe Paige
3) prue piper Paige
4) Piper Phoebe Paige
Prue and Phoebe are my favorite duo because despite their differences, they strike a balance between saving the innocent and killing the demons.
Prue et piper is not bad, piper listens to her big sister and has enormous self-confidence, she follows her and gives herself confidence.
I don't really like the Piper and Phoebe duo. Because Piper doesn't listen to Phoebe much and when Prue dies she literally doesn't care.

[Esmeralda]

I agree totally that having Piper die would make it even better than Phoebe dying, but only if Prue and Phoebe kept their roles as Leader and Baby when/if Paige shows up (I'd prefer if she didn't...)

So my preference for Season 4:

1. Prue, Piper and Phoebe
2. Prue and Phoebe only
3. Prue and Paige only
3. Prue, Phoebe and Paige
4. Prue, Piper and Paige
5. Prue and Piper only
6. Prue only
(if you notice a pattern, you're right!)
6. Piper and Paige only'
7. Phoebe and Paige only
8. Piper, Phoebe and Paige

[summerreading]

Oh yes, I agree with others on Piper dying. But only if it means Prue and Phoebe keep their roles as leader and the baby. Perhaps Paige could use her social working skills to help Prue and Phoebe grieve, and fix their relationship from where it was in S3, whether she succeeds or fails. 

I don't think Prue would come back too soon after turning into a fury. That might be more of an arc before she heals. 

Best part Leo would be phased out, and or when he becomes an Elder (if he was still around), He'd take the offer and be gone.

I'd love to wonder what a unit with Prue/Phoebe/Cole/Leo would be like if Paige wasn't brought in right away or at all. 


My preference for Season 4:

1. Prue, Piper and Phoebe
2. Prue and Phoebe only
3. Prue, Phoebe and Paige
4. Prue, Piper and Paige
5. Prue and Paige only
6. Prue and Piper only
7. Piper and Paige only
8. Phoebe and Paige only
9. Piper and Phoebe only
10. Piper, Phoebe and Paige

[goldeneye049]

I think Brad Kern would have ruined Prue again. I remember I loved Paige until episode 7x11 Ordinary Witches where she said she was tired of being a witch. I was so but so disappointed to hear that... In fact, I would have preferred Paige has the power of Electrokinesis or some other power of elements like her previous life. May the three new sisters be able to form a new power of three that is not invincible and much weaker than the original. Broken because Phoebe was in hell and not on earth, leaving them vulnerable. Brad Kern didn't need all of this, issues thoughtlessly solved with a touch of whitelighter magic. 🤨😓

[Elle Em]

I love everyone's ideas here, and I agree with what others have said about Piper, Phoebe, and Paige being a pretty undesirable combination. It should always have been the original three first, and then after that any other combination besides what we had.

Prue and Phoebe are my favorite sister duo because of their love/hate relationship. I think those two could have grown a lot together if it had been just them. I can picture Leo and Cole both dying or fading out of their lives eventually, and both Prue and Phoebe each having a daughter around the same age that they raise together in the Manor. 

I also like Piper and Paige together when they get along. Had Paige grown up with her sisters, I could see these two being very close. But I don't think they would have ever bonded much if Prue or Phoebe died. If Phoebe died, Piper would cling tighter to Prue even if she were kinder to Paige than we saw originally. And as we saw in the show, Piper seemed pretty loyal to Prue even after she died, because I don't think she ever truly got over her death. 

[BriannaWarren2.0]

Phoebe's death:

I believe that Prue would be devastated and would blame herself that she couldn't be there to protect her baby sister, she would have wanted to kill Shax immediately but after she does that she would still be pissed off, she would then turn into a fury. 

I would have wrote it that Phoebe and Cole died protecting Prue and Piper, really put a twist on it, the baby protecting the oldest, Cole dying to protect the sisters solidifying the whole "Cole is a reformed demon and is trying to be good" he would then be vindicated in the eyes of Prue.

With Piper and Leo trying to calm Prue down destroying everything in her path Leo and Piper ends up taking her to Phoebe's grave and helping her realise that Phoebe wouldn't have blamed her for anything, she wanted to protect Prue and Piper, she wanted to make sure that the person who helped her throughout her entire life would continue to help others and that she would forever love her after hours of convincing Prue would be realised from being a Fury. 

Prue, Piper and Leo reminiscing about Phoebe with Prue saying that "Phoebe and Cole could finally live in peace together". Prue, Piper and Leo lighting a candle for her and that's when we fade too black. 

Life after Phoebe's death: 

I also believe that Prue would wait for Bane to be released from prison, once he is, Prue and Bane would be a couple and then they would move in to Bane's dream house. I would also like it if Prue went back to Buckland's and worked up the ranks to then later owned Buckland's, once Bane is released he would work at Buckland's under Prue, maybe be her assistant. 
Bane and Prue would have one daughter: Phoebe, her sister.

Piper and Leo would continue to live at the manor, with her family, giving Piper the normalcy she wanted whilst also helping innocents and continuing her witchcraft, she would have two girls: Penelope, after her grandmother and Patricia after her mother.

The Next Generation:

Penelope would have Premonitions, Astral Projection then Psychic Reflection.
Patricia would be able to stop time then after a period time turning her victims into ice.
Phoebe would have Telekinesis which would grow into Levitation then she would receive Blinking. My perfect power growth for Prue.

[Esmeralda]

YAY! Happy you like my idea of Bane getting out of jail and them moving into Bane's dream house! Don't agree with them getting married and having a child, but since you don't have Piper in a coma so she can't give birth to Melinda via C-section.

Otherwise, I love what you did, except for the next generation. As you know, I don't like progressions and would prefer them each just having one of Melinda Warren's powers, especially when they won't be able to use the Power of Three since they're not sisters.

But I love that there's no Paige and no half-whitelighters! That's how I wish Charmed had continued.

Oh, for me, I'd still have the powers of the Source take over Cole, but Prue would figure it out and Phoebe would believe her. They'd come up with potion and a spell that would separate the powers from Cole, also kicking out Belthazor. Hence why they'd be happily married with the twins.

Of course, that's for me when I have Piper in a twenty-year coma. But if you can use any of it for yours where you have Phoebe be the one who dies, go right ahead.

[BriannaWarren2.0]

May 27, 2021 22:10:03 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

YAY! Happy you like my idea of Bane getting out of jail and them moving into Bane's dream house! Don't agree with them getting married and having a child, but since you don't have Piper in a coma so she can't give birth to Melinda via C-section.

Otherwise, I love what you did, except for the next generation. As you know, I don't like progressions and would prefer them each just having one of Melinda Warren's powers, especially when they won't be able to use the Power of Three since they're not sisters.

But I love that there's no Paige and no half-whitelighters! That's how I wish Charmed had continued.

Oh, for me, I'd still have the powers of the Source take over Cole, but Prue would figure it out and Phoebe would believe her. They'd come up with potion and a spell that would separate the powers from Cole, also kicking out Belthazor. Hence why they'd be happily married with the twins.

Of course, that's for me when I have Piper in a twenty-year coma. But if you can use any of it for yours where you have Phoebe be the one who dies, go right ahead.

I am glad you like my idea of Bane and Prue being together and moving into Bane's dream house. We can agree to disagree with Prue getting married and having a child, I would have liked to see her with her own family rather than having to be a makeshift mother, however I do understand why people may have an issue with it.

I also love your idea for Cole and Phoebe, however would you have allowed him to have his mother's powers, Shimmering/Energy Balls/Sensing? Or would you like the twins to have their mother's powers? (Just wondering, no hate, of course) I have always loved the idea of Cole being a reformed Demon than a mortal but that is just me. 

I don't have an issue with Paige being included, if she was a descendant of P.Bowen, as I have previously mentioned in other threads, but I do agree with you when it came towards half-whitelighters, I wouldn't mind if they received those powers after they had died, only when they are destined to pass on. 

[Esmeralda]

Actually a friend of mine came up with the idea of Bane getting out of jail and he and Prue living in the dream house for a fanfic she wrote between S3 and S4, but I love the idea, especially Prue not tied down with any kids, just enjoying being auntie to her nieces (no nephews in mine). For me, her family being Bane, her and Kit's daughter KitKat would be more than enough to keep her happy, especially when she's chief photog for 415 and Bane is the editor.

No, I would not let Cole have his mother's powers. I would not want him to be a reformed demon - too easy for him to slip back to being a full half-demon. Better to kick Belthazor and his powers out and let him be a lawyer. With no Source chasing them (hence why no Paige), he wouldn't be tempted. This also means none of his daughters would have demonic powers, only a single Warren one.

If you include Paige as a descendant of P. Bowen but NOT a Charmed One, that would be perfect. But no way a third-cousin twice-removed could be a Charmed One with two of the Halliwells. I don't even like a half-sister being part of it, no matter her powers. My friends and I wrote a story where a descendant of P. Bowen was part of it, but she had no active powers - just thanks to her mother (friends with Patty) knew their Book of Shadows (which didn't contain any Power of Three spells) and could pop out a spell whenever it was needed. That's the way I'd use a descendant. Only if she died at the same time as one of the Halliwells and become their whitelighter would I want her to have whitelighter powers.

But all of these are what *I'd* use. If you ever decide to write your own fanfic, do whatever you feel is right. Like I keep saying, I will undoubtedly not agree with it, but I'd enjoy reading it.

[BriannaWarren2.0]

May 30, 2021 12:49:55 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Actually a friend of mine came up with the idea of Bane getting out of jail and he and Prue living in the dream house for a fanfic she wrote between S3 and S4, but I love the idea, especially Prue not tied down with any kids, just enjoying being auntie to her nieces (no nephews in mine). For me, her family being Bane, her and Kit's daughter KitKat would be more than enough to keep her happy, especially when she's chief photog for 415 and Bane is the editor.

No, I would not let Cole have his mother's powers. I would not want him to be a reformed demon - too easy for him to slip back to being a full half-demon. Better to kick Belthazor and his powers out and let him be a lawyer. With no Source chasing them (hence why no Paige), he wouldn't be tempted. This also means none of his daughters would have demonic powers, only a single Warren one.

If you include Paige as a descendant of P. Bowen but NOT a Charmed One, that would be perfect. But no way a third-cousin twice-removed could be a Charmed One with two of the Halliwells. I don't even like a half-sister being part of it, no matter her powers. My friends and I wrote a story where a descendant of P. Bowen was part of it, but she had no active powers - just thanks to her mother (friends with Patty) knew their Book of Shadows (which didn't contain any Power of Three spells) and could pop out a spell whenever it was needed. That's the way I'd use a descendant. Only if she died at the same time as one of the Halliwells and become their whitelighter would I want her to have whitelighter powers.

But all of these are what *I'd* use. If you ever decide to write your own fanfic, do whatever you feel is right. Like I keep saying, I will undoubtedly not agree with it, but I'd enjoy reading it.

I also would love Prue living her dream life with Bane, which is the reason why I only wrote her with one daughter, so that the company Prue buys (in my dream, Bucklands) would stay in the family, with Piper having her dream restaurant rather than the nightclub, being in the perfect nuclear family with Leo (no sons, only daughters).

Understandable, however I wouldn't want him to be useless, which is why I am on the fence about Cole having powers or not, eventually I'll come up with an idea however if Phoebe was still alive I would have her being married with Drake.  

I wouldn't have wrote Paige to be a third-cousin-twice-removed is able to be a Charmed One, she would just be a Warren witch with a Warren Power and that's it, also meaning that she can't use Power Of Three spells either. 

Eventually when I am able to write out the kinks I'll release it. 

[Esmeralda]

He's not useless. He only felt that way when he couldn't protect Phoebe. With the Source not after them, he'd be as useful as any human male - and VERY useful as a lawyer.

Ah, gotcha regarding your Paige. That makes sense, although I still prefer her without any powers - too easy for her to become your Mary Sue and take over the story - the reason we didn't have our Rori (not a P...) have any.

Now if your Paige's power wasn't active, that would be different. With Phoebe gone, if she had premonitions (and none of Phoebe's other powers), that would work beautifully.

Of course, if you're including the Source going after them, then you'd want both Cole and Paige with powers in order to fight him. But why would he be after them if Phoebe's dead so there's no Power of Three, meaning the Halliwells couldn't vanquish him? That's the main reason why I wouldn't want Paige be a sister or half-sister - I wouldn't want her to be part of the story at all - I'd want the Power of Three to die when Phoebe does, so it culminates with the Halliwells, just like Melinda Warren predicted.

But again, that's just me. I doubt very much if most fans would like my ideas. I wonder what they'd think about your version of Paige - a third-cousin once-removed from the Halliwells.

This is why in my Dream Charmed I have it where any set of three sisters descended from Melinda Warren has the chance to become Charmed and the Halliwells are the first to agree. That way the three cousins from 'Pardon My Past' could be sisters and would be either great-grandmother or great-great-aunts of the Halliwells and your Paige would make more sense.

[zoeysmom]

May 30, 2021 12:49:55 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Actually a friend of mine came up with the idea of Bane getting out of jail and he and Prue living in the dream house for a fanfic she wrote between S3 and S4, but I love the idea, especially Prue not tied down with any kids, just enjoying being auntie to her nieces (no nephews in mine). For me, her family being Bane, her and Kit's daughter KitKat would be more than enough to keep her happy, especially when she's chief photog for 415 and Bane is the editor.

No, I would not let Cole have his mother's powers. I would not want him to be a reformed demon - too easy for him to slip back to being a full half-demon. Better to kick Belthazor and his powers out and let him be a lawyer. With no Source chasing them (hence why no Paige), he wouldn't be tempted. This also means none of his daughters would have demonic powers, only a single Warren one.

If you include Paige as a descendant of P. Bowen but NOT a Charmed One, that would be perfect. But no way a third-cousin twice-removed could be a Charmed One with two of the Halliwells. I don't even like a half-sister being part of it, no matter her powers. My friends and I wrote a story where a descendant of P. Bowen was part of it, but she had no active powers - just thanks to her mother (friends with Patty) knew their Book of Shadows (which didn't contain any Power of Three spells) and could pop out a spell whenever it was needed. That's the way I'd use a descendant. Only if she died at the same time as one of the Halliwells and become their whitelighter would I want her to have whitelighter powers.

But all of these are what *I'd* use. If you ever decide to write your own fanfic, do whatever you feel is right. Like I keep saying, I will undoubtedly not agree with it, but I'd enjoy reading it.

I like your idea. I can see her living with Bane after he gets out of jail and not wanting kids but enjoying being an auntie to her sisters' kids. Someone pointed out that Prue helped raise her sisters, so there's a really good chance she wouldn't have wanted kids of her own, which I think is a good point. 

[Esmeralda]

Just keep in mind what happened during Piper's wedding and how Prue wanted a chance to be free. That's what got me to feel this way. She may eventually decide that she wants kids, but especially if there's no Paige so the Source hasn't been after them (boring on TV, yes, but it's what I'd want for them, which is what this is all about.), I think she'd want this break first.

Oh, another possible future for Prue. If she was the one who died, I'd love to see her become the whitelighter to her nieces and nephews so the Elders wouldn't have to worry about their whitelighter falling in love with his charges again, and she'd do such a great job taking care of them. Piper or Phoebe? No. But definitely Prue.

[zoeysmom]

Jun 8, 2021 16:44:47 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Just keep in mind what happened during Piper's wedding and how Prue wanted a chance to be free. That's what got me to feel this way. She may eventually decide that she wants kids, but especially if there's no Paige so the Source hasn't been after them (boring on TV, yes, but it's what I'd want for them, which is what this is all about.), I think she'd want this break first.

Oh, another possible future for Prue. If she was the one who died, I'd love to see her become the whitelighter to her nieces and nephews so the Elders wouldn't have to worry about their whitelighter falling in love with his charges again, and she'd do such a great job taking care of them. Piper or Phoebe? No. But definitely Prue.

True. Piper pointed out in Season 4 that it's dangerous for her to have kids with demons constantly attacking. I think she kinda has a point, especially if the kids don't have powers right from the start. I can maybe see Prue wanting them after a couple years of kid-free, demon-free adventures.

[squint]

Charmed probably would have fared better because I can't see Shannen Doherty allowing the show to develop into the silly mess that it became - at least not without a fight, which would have led to her getting fired anyway^^

[BriannaWarren2.0]

Jun 8, 2021 16:44:47 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Just keep in mind what happened during Piper's wedding and how Prue wanted a chance to be free. That's what got me to feel this way. She may eventually decide that she wants kids, but especially if there's no Paige so the Source hasn't been after them (boring on TV, yes, but it's what I'd want for them, which is what this is all about.), I think she'd want this break first.

Oh, another possible future for Prue. If she was the one who died, I'd love to see her become the whitelighter to her nieces and nephews so the Elders wouldn't have to worry about their whitelighter falling in love with his charges again, and she'd do such a great job taking care of them. Piper or Phoebe? No. But definitely Prue.

I love Prue being their white-lighter. I wouldn't have written them having children immediately, if at all, after Bane's release, I would want them to learn about each other, fall in love properly, travel and just overall be together.

There is a Charmed FanFic wiki that shows Wyatt and Prue, Phoebe's daughter, getting married and having children. (Links for reference: destinedthenextgenerationofthewarrenline.fandom.com/wiki/Prue_Halliwell | destinedthenextgenerationofthewarrenline.fandom.com/wiki/Wyatt_Halliwell).  

[Esmeralda]

Aug 13, 2021 13:59:28 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

Jun 8, 2021 16:44:47 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Just keep in mind what happened during Piper's wedding and how Prue wanted a chance to be free. That's what got me to feel this way. She may eventually decide that she wants kids, but especially if there's no Paige so the Source hasn't been after them (boring on TV, yes, but it's what I'd want for them, which is what this is all about.), I think she'd want this break first.

Oh, another possible future for Prue. If she was the one who died, I'd love to see her become the whitelighter to her nieces and nephews so the Elders wouldn't have to worry about their whitelighter falling in love with his charges again, and she'd do such a great job taking care of them. Piper or Phoebe? No. But definitely Prue.

I love Prue being their white-lighter. I wouldn't have written them having children immediately, if at all, after Bane's release, I would want them to learn about each other, fall in love properly, travel and just overall be together.

There is a Charmed FanFic wiki that shows Wyatt and Prue, Phoebe's daughter, getting married and having children. (Links for reference: destinedthenextgenerationofthewarrenline.fandom.com/wiki/Prue_Halliwell | destinedthenextgenerationofthewarrenline.fandom.com/wiki/Wyatt_Halliwell).  

I'm really not that interested in next-generation fics or who marries whom and who has how many children - I much prefer fics about the Charmed Ones.

But if you're enjoying writing yours, go for it.

Which reminds me. You were working on a fic at one time and were going to update your profiles after we gave you a bunch of suggestions. Did you ever do that? I hope this time you included their weaknesses as well as their strengths and their powers.