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Post by Andrew on Oct 26, 2021 19:20:00 GMT -5
I just took Marcy freezing to mean she wasn’t a magical witch, so much as a Wiccan. Probably why none of the sisters bothered listening to her “expert” suggestions. 😉 "Good witches don't freeze" doesn't specify magical witches, only. Marcy is still on Hellfire's list as a "witch" which doesn't specify if she's magical, either. We can infer that, but nothing is explicitly stated to differentiate magical witches vs Wiccan witches and which ones can freeze vs who can't. S1E7 The Fourth Sister Aviva seems to have the same skillsets as Marcy. The powers she has are given to her from Kalli, yet didn't freeze, either. The only "natural" magic Aviva seems to have is conjuring Kalli, which I don't even think she's actually doing. Considering, Kalli can appear without actually being conjured. Another same episode continuity error, for me. Kalli appearing free willy nilly without actually being conjured. I think Aviva was handpicked, and Kalli made Aviva seem like she conjured her but didn't. Given that - as far as I can recall - whenever Piper’s powers are stolen by the bad guys she and her sisters do freeze, I just figured the power doesn’t allow for friendly fire, and she didn’t consider Marcy on her “team”. As for Aviva… I could easily be wrong, but I like to think she was a latent witch, at the very least, or she wouldn’t have been able to summon Not-Kali in the first place. It would explain why she didn’t freeze, but Not-Kali did. Or, you know, Early Installment Weirdness. 😉 |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Oct 26, 2021 19:24:29 GMT -5
Given that - as far as I can recall - whenever Piper’s powers are stolen by the bad guys she and her sisters do freeze 😉 Not in S2E17 How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans. As for Aviva… I could easily be wrong, but I like to think she was a latent witch, at the very least, or she wouldn’t have been able to summon Not-Kali in the first place. It would explain why she didn’t freeze, but Not-Kali did. Who's "not-Kali"? Lol And, I already went over why I don't think Aviva actually conjured anything. Considering how willy nilly Kalli would appear without actually being conjured. |
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Post by Andrew on Oct 26, 2021 19:35:50 GMT -5
Given that - as far as I can recall - whenever Piper’s powers are stolen by the bad guys she and her sisters do freeze 😉 Not in S2E17 How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans. As for Aviva… I could easily be wrong, but I like to think she was a latent witch, at the very least, or she wouldn’t have been able to summon Not-Kali in the first place. It would explain why she didn’t freeze, but Not-Kali did. Who's "not-Kali"? Lol And, I already went over why I don't think Aviva actually conjured anything. Considering how willy nilly Kalli would appear without actually being conjured. Well, in S2E07 - “They’re Everywhere” - warlocks supposedly don’t bleed, which I’m pretty sure isn’t true in any other episode. But like I’ve said before, Charmed did NOT like continuity. 😉 And this is Kali - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali - so the being depicted in that episode is most definitely NOT Kali. 😉 Huh. Who do you think they got worse, Kali or Hecate? 😎 |
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Post by Andrew on Oct 26, 2021 20:01:29 GMT -5
The Nexus and the Woogie.
First it was a spiritual/Wiccan nexus with the Manor built on top of it to safeguard it from evil, and the Woogie was an independent entity sealed under the ground in the basement.
Then the Woogie was sealed inside the Nexus.
Then the Woogie became the Shadow, which was a part of the Nexus.
Then the Shadow was the Nexus, which could now suddenly be vanquished/destroyed.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Oct 26, 2021 20:31:29 GMT -5
Well, in S2E07 - “They’re Everywhere” - warlocks supposedly don’t bleed, which I’m pretty sure isn’t true in any other episode. But like I’ve said before, Charmed did NOT like continuity. 😉 And this is Kali - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali - so the being depicted in that episode is most definitely NOT Kali. 😉 Huh. Who do you think they got worse, Kali or Hecate? 😎 I agree the show doesn't do continuity, that's why we're here. You were trying to defend Marcy freezing, and your explanation didn't make sense, to me, that's all. Anyway, my main issue is when the continuity doesn't make sense in the episode like Kyra, Litvack, "conjuring" Kalli, etc. I think Hecate was worse. At least Kalli gave me some suspense. EDIT: Found another continuity error. S5E4 Siren's Song, Paige knows what color Sam's eyes are, but she doesn't first meet him until S5E9 Sam I Am LOL |
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Post by Prue's Feather on Oct 26, 2021 22:22:05 GMT -5
Alright, I've got something else.
The Gender Of Kit The Cat.
(Okay, I’ve gone deep with this one lol. I’m having too much fun with this xD)
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1x01 – Something Wicca This Way Comes: Opening scene. We’re introduced to Kit, who is originally Serena Fredrick’s familiar. Serena puts out a bowl of cat food for her and says to her, "Come on, baby. Good girl."
1x05 – Dream Sorcerer: Poor Kit The Cat is also suffering from the "Love Spell" Phoebe and Piper cast. Phoebe and Piper are talking, seeing that maybe the spell wasn’t such a good idea after all. At the sight of a bunch of cats outside the window, Phoebe remarks to Piper, "Even our poor cat’s in hell." Then she tells them to go away: "Go away you horny tomcats." (We can imply from this that Kit is a girl.)
1x07 – The Fourth Sister: When Aviva first shows up at the Manor and Phoebe answers the door, she exclaims, "Kit! Oh my god. Where did you find her? We were worried sick." Kit is referred to as a "she" several times by the sisters and Aviva in this one, even Leo.
2x03 – The Painted World: After Kit is sent into the painting and Piper realizes it’s Kit that Malcom has picked up, Prue asks her, "What is she doing here?" Later on, when Phoebe joins them, she asks where Kit is, and Piper responds with, "There she is, there she is." Prue then says, upon picking her up, "I can’t believe we almost forget her."
3x17 – Pre-Witched: After learning about familiars and finding out Shadow (Ariel’s cat/familiar) became a warlock after killing her and stealing her powers, Phoebe remarks to her sisters, "Ooh, saved by the meow. You know, I don’t think I’m ever gonna be able to look at Kit quite in the same way. Or get undressed in front of HIM for that matter."
So I guess Phoebe suddenly forgets that Kit, who has been with them for three years now, is a female. But, not to fear, she remembers her gender correctly two years later, as her and Paige are sent through Piper’s memories with Leo.
5x18 – Cat House: Some dialogue to show that Kit is once again a girl... (And we see Katrina is Kit in human form, so there's that, too, lol.)
Paige: I didn’t know you had a cat.
Phoebe: Yeah, she ran away a couple of years ago.
Paige: I don't know. (Then speaking to Kit) Unless there's something you're not telling us. It's funny, she's so familiar to me though. It reminds me of this old stray that used to hang outside my loft.
Phoebe: (Speaking to Kit) Hey, is there something you haven't been telling me? Huh, Kit? Hey, don't you kiss up to me. Answer the question.
Paige: You sure you didn't know about this?
Phoebe: What, that Kit was our familiar? No, we just thought she was this cat that we found on the porch.
Paige: Okay, if that warlock doesn't kill the cat soon, I will.
Phoebe: I'll get her.
I know it was ONE episode where they messed Kit’s gender up, but again, it’s kind of funny to think that Phoebe forgot the gender of her own cat.
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Some Other Inconsistencies/Thoughts:
Interesting to note, but in Pre-Witched in one of the flashbacks we see Kit was already hanging around the Manor. (Piper goes outside with Prue, she sees Kit hanging around the porch, and then says, "Ugh, why does this stupid cat keep hanging around? Who do you belong to? Go home. Shoo!") But in the Something Wicca This Way Comes, she’s with Serena. Shouldn’t she still be with Serena at this point (as this was before her death and before the events of SWTWC), or with some other witch who still needed guiding? The BOS tells us familiars are "enchanted creatures who follow and guide new witches to protect them while they learn the craft". So I’m not sure why Kit was hanging around the Manor yet. The sisters hadn’t come into their powers yet or even known they were witches. Did it have something to do with the fact that Grams was about to strip the girls of their powers because she feared they'd never come together and live out their destiny that she temporarily came to the Manor and looked out for the Halliwells for a bit of time? Did she sense Grams' death?
And Phoebe saying to Paige in Cat House that she didn’t known Kit was their familiar? Shouldn’t she have known this from Pre-Witched after talking with Ariel? Considering the comment she makes about Kit? I guess I took that comment as she had put together that Kit was their familiar who could turn human and felt it weird now at the thought of getting undressed in front of her (or HIM, as Phoebe says in this episode), but maybe I read into it wrong. Or am I reading into her comment to Paige in Cat House wrong? But if I'm not reading into either of the comments incorrectly, I suppose if Phoebe forgets the gender of Kit in Pre-Witched, it’s possible Phoebe also forgot Kit was her familiar in Cat House. I mean, if Paige forgets she helped vanquish the Source, why can’t Phoebe forget things about her cat? ;P
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Post by Aaeiyn on Oct 26, 2021 22:42:35 GMT -5
The Gender Of Kit The Cat.3x17 – Pre-Witched: After learning about familiars and finding out Shadow (Ariel’s cat/familiar) became a warlock after killing her and stealing her powers, Phoebe remarks to her sisters, "Ooh, saved by the meow. You know, I don’t think I’m ever gonna be able to look at Kit quite in the same way. Or get undressed in front of HIM for that matter." OMG YAS! I forgot about that, when I was re-watching S3E17 Pre-witched, and I heard Phoebe call Kit a "him", like what? Kit is a "she" EVERYWHERE else, in the show LOL I suppose Kit is gender fluid  |
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Post by Andrew on Oct 26, 2021 23:48:35 GMT -5
The Gender Of Kit The Cat.3x17 – Pre-Witched: After learning about familiars and finding out Shadow (Ariel’s cat/familiar) became a warlock after killing her and stealing her powers, Phoebe remarks to her sisters, "Ooh, saved by the meow. You know, I don’t think I’m ever gonna be able to look at Kit quite in the same way. Or get undressed in front of HIM for that matter." OMG YAS! I forgot about that, when I was re-watching S3E17 Pre-witched, and I heard Phoebe call Kit a "him", like what? Kit is a "she" EVERYWHERE else, in the show LOL I suppose Kit is gender fluid If it only happened once, Phoebe probably just misspoke. Happens to everyone, now and then. |
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Post by Andrew on Oct 26, 2021 23:51:12 GMT -5
I know I mentioned it elsewhere, but the whole “warlocks don’t bleed” thing was pretty random, and didn’t really match the rest of the show.
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Post by Prue's Feather on Oct 27, 2021 0:14:36 GMT -5
The Gender Of Kit The Cat.3x17 – Pre-Witched: After learning about familiars and finding out Shadow (Ariel’s cat/familiar) became a warlock after killing her and stealing her powers, Phoebe remarks to her sisters, "Ooh, saved by the meow. You know, I don’t think I’m ever gonna be able to look at Kit quite in the same way. Or get undressed in front of HIM for that matter." OMG YAS! I forgot about that, when I was re-watching S3E17 Pre-witched, and I heard Phoebe call Kit a "him", like what? Kit is a "she" EVERYWHERE else, in the show LOL I suppose Kit is gender fluid I mean, that's the only thing that makes sense, right? Still confused how Phoebe forgets Kit was her familiar, too. I thought that part was made clear in Pre-Witched, but it's like she discovered this fact (again) with Paige in Cat House when Paige says Kit seemed "familiar" to her as she remembers a similar stray cat hanging around her place. Oh, Phoebs. -Shakes head- These girls got thrown into things/knocked in the head/died too many times from all the attacks they'd been through. THIS is really what caused them to forget things over time lol. |
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Post by shandofan on Oct 27, 2021 2:56:47 GMT -5
I don’t think they’d quite worked out how whitelighter healing worked in season 1 (though they should have, and come up with some definite rules… but Charmed didn’t like continuity, and didn’t even have a series bible), though Leo is only supposed to heal injuries caused by evil. Healing Piper of her disease anyway got him in trouble with the Elders, who (temporarily) clipped his wings. In P3H2O he rather implied that he wasn't able to (not just restricted to evil, but to whether "it's meant to be" or not) - which was also what happened when he tried to heal Sam, it just didn't work. There were later mentions of healing only being possible when it was caused by evil as mentioned here: My all time favorite inconsistency is the mishandling of whitelighters. In S1, they weren't supposed to expose themselves, to their charges (S1E14 Secrets & Guys). In S2/S3, that all changed, and charges began knowing who whitelighters are. Also, in S1 Leo healed Mr. Franklin (S1E14 Secrets & Guys) who was mortally wounded, along with Daisy (S1E20 Love Hurts) who cut herself. In S2, Leo (supposedly) can only heal what the Elders "allow" him to heal (S2E8 P3 H2O). In S3, healing then became "restricted" to only if they were attacked by demons/evil (S3E8 Sleuthing with Enemy and S3E11 Blinded by the Whitelighter). In S4, Leo be healing w/e but demons, specifically. At least that part remained the same (him being unable to heal demons). Then, the concept of whitelighters being "pacifists" LOL Warlocks (supposedly) not bleeding was only a thing for one episode, then instantly forgotten. (See my above comment on the show’s relationship with continuity.) Not that Cole - or the Brotherhood - was. Despite what the writers claimed (after they’d clearly given up caring), warlocks and demons were not the same thing. Let me rephrase: warlocks and demons don't bleed. Hecate was a demon and there is the scene where she is accidentally stabbed with a needle during bridal dress fitting and she doesn't seem to notice, nor does she bleed. Then again, Cole using his bleeding as testimonial for being half human makes him aware of the demons/warlocks don't bleed thing. Additionally, what came to my mind thinking about this: why didn't the sisters wonder that Belthazors flesh was bleeding? They didn't know that he was half-human until that demonic bounty hunter told Prue and Piper in "Sleuthing with the Enemy". Or, differently put: they shouldn't have been surpised that he was half human because he the flesh was bleeding. I’d assume the vaporizing energy balls were just stronger. I guess the real reason was it was easier for the writers not to have to deal with the dead witch in the attic  |
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Post by shandofan on Oct 27, 2021 3:11:35 GMT -5
I think Prue's character is extremely inconsistent and doesn't really flow nor make sense, to me. She seems to change every season. In S1, her character was not happy about being a witch and was a work-a-holic. In S2, she's all fine with being a witch but is no longer a work-a-holic and is artistic through photography. In S3, she's still into magic and is artistic, but the work-a-holic personality came back, this time, it was dedicated to the craft, and (supposedly) we can infer S2E9 Ms. Hellfire as Prue learning martial arts, and that's why she's a God at it, come S3. But, this is typical for Mary Sue type of characters. At least she was consistently inconsistent ;P I just read recently on this forum that this isn't inconsistency, but makes her character the one with most depth. I agree . Blinking became a Warlock only power despite Melinda Warren in S1E9 The Witch is back saying Matthew Tate possibly copied blinking from another witch. Also, not all warlocks blinked. In S2E3 The Painted World, Jane is a warlock who couldn't blink. Malcolm had to open up the door, for her. Yeah that also bugs me a lot, although it seems to be a little thing. S1E8 The Truth is Out There...and it Hurts, claiming that only female kin will have powers. Later in S5-S6 and S8...that's not the case... It was actually not claimed once, but twice: Piper also said that this is passed down along the female line in "Thank You For Not Morphing". And it is contradicted much earlier than with Piper's kids: in "Secrets and Guys". |
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Post by shandofan on Oct 27, 2021 3:13:53 GMT -5
You have to pay attention when he is and isn't wearing the ring. I thought he was wearing it, when Prue TK'd him, but I guess he wasn't. Such a flip flop plot. Yeah actually they kind of acknowledged that he was wearing the ring when she did it - later when they find it I think Phoebe said that it must have slipped when he fell. Or she just didn't know better. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Oct 27, 2021 3:42:17 GMT -5
I just read recently on this forum that this isn't inconsistency, but makes her character the one with most depth. I agree . I can't really agree with Prue having "the most depth". IMO, that title belongs to Cole. In regards to which sister has "the most depth", I would say S1-S4E13 Phoebe, then that changes over to Piper, IMO. I'm beyond livid the show ruined Phoebe, for S4E14-S8. She had so much potential to match Cole's depth, but the writers couldn't do it and just slept on it. EDIT: Don't confuse this as me hating Prue because I don't. Because of her character being different, every season. I won't be annoyed by her, like I got annoyed/disappointed with Phoebe, in later seasons. |
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Post by shandofan on Oct 27, 2021 8:16:12 GMT -5
EDIT: Don't confuse this as me hating Prue because I don't. Because of her character being different, every season. I won't be annoyed by her, like I got annoyed/disappointed with Phoebe, in later seasons. Don't worry, I wouldn't For reference, that is the post I was talking about: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/post/441804/thread Not "depth" but "complexity", and I completely agree. But I guess this is already getting a bit off-topic. But regarding inconsistencies and Prue, I do have one that actually bothers me a lot (and, I've been just reminded as I watched that episode today): In "Thank You For Not Morphing" she gets mad at Phoebe for not locking the door, while in "Sight Unseen" she's the one not locking the door and proud of it. Now one could argue that her attitude changed after 2 years of being a witch and she had that feeling that mortals wouldn't be able to hurt them (which she was in that episode). However, then at the end she talks to Phoebe and says something about starting to be responsible and lock the door. Like literally that's what she used to do 2 years ago. And apparently also Phoebe doesn't remember that. |
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Post by zoeysmom on Oct 27, 2021 8:35:35 GMT -5
I just read recently on this forum that this isn't inconsistency, but makes her character the one with most depth. I agree . I can't really agree with Prue having "the most depth". IMO, that title belongs to Cole. In regards to which sister has "the most depth", I would say S1-S4E13 Phoebe, then that changes over to Piper, IMO. I'm beyond livid the show ruined Phoebe, for S4E14-S8. She had so much potential to match Cole's depth, but the writers couldn't do it and just slept on it. EDIT: Don't confuse this as me hating Prue because I don't. Because of her character being different, every season. I won't be annoyed by her, like I got annoyed/disappointed with Phoebe, in later seasons. Of course not. Besides, you're right, she changes every season. |
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Post by Andrew on Nov 1, 2021 7:31:35 GMT -5
The Valkyries and Valhalla.
I mean, they’d already established that the Greek gods were just mortals who’d been given power by the Elders… but the Norse gods are real? Um, show, would you care to elaborate on this? No? Why am I not surprised?
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Post by zoeysmom on Nov 4, 2021 12:35:06 GMT -5
Are there any plot holes or inconsistencies that bug you in Charmed? For me, it's the Cleaners, the sisters using magic for personal gain without consequences in later seasons, Grams' age in Witchstock, and how in later seasons, the sisters and their grandmother act like they've always known they were witches, but in the early seasons, the witches don't remember having powers when they were kids. For instance, in Cheaper by the Coven, Grams is talking about how she sat Piper and her sisters down for a witch talk, and Piper asks what she said. In Witchstock, when the sisters go back to the past, Grams would've been pushing 40, but she looks like she's about 23 there. I just watched Witchstock recently. I don’t know what the writers were thinking timeline wise when they did that episode. Grams should have been WAY older than she’s presented here, considering when her go-go boots took Paige back in time, it was 1967. Prue was born in 1970. So you’re telling me that somehow, in three years' time, Penny is supposed to have Patty, then Patty is supposed to meet Victor, and then Prue is suddenly born? Yup. Totally plausible. Now, if this was Patty we were talking about and NOT Grams, then the episode would work better in the timeline with Prue’s birthday. Interestingly enough, as I was looking up this episode, I guess Witchstock WAS originally intended to be about Patty. Which makes so much more sense. Paige would have gotten to know more about her birth mother, almost much like in the way Phoebe did in That '70s Episode. (Because we don’t really get to see the two bond much in the show, do we?) But Finola Hughes wasn’t available to film, so they rewrote it for Grams. (Maybe some of you already knew that, though. Forgive me, I discovered Charmed last year so I get excited when I learn new things about it ;P) I don’t hate this episode, some of it is kind of funny (Paige to Leo, "Ah, no! I don’t dig." Gets me every time xD), but the inconsistency with the timeline just bothers me to no end. But knowing why it was written about Grams instead of Patty makes me feel a little better now. I guess. Ha. Interesting about Finola Hughes not being available for the filming of Witchstock. I guess that explains why the episode was about Grams, instead of Patty. The inconsistency with the timeline bothers me to no end, too. |
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Post by summerreading on Nov 4, 2021 16:57:31 GMT -5
I just watched Witchstock recently. I don’t know what the writers were thinking timeline wise when they did that episode. Grams should have been WAY older than she’s presented here, considering when her go-go boots took Paige back in time, it was 1967. Prue was born in 1970. So you’re telling me that somehow, in three years' time, Penny is supposed to have Patty, then Patty is supposed to meet Victor, and then Prue is suddenly born? Yup. Totally plausible. Now, if this was Patty we were talking about and NOT Grams, then the episode would work better in the timeline with Prue’s birthday. Interestingly enough, as I was looking up this episode, I guess Witchstock WAS originally intended to be about Patty. Which makes so much more sense. Paige would have gotten to know more about her birth mother, almost much like in the way Phoebe did in That '70s Episode. (Because we don’t really get to see the two bond much in the show, do we?) But Finola Hughes wasn’t available to film, so they rewrote it for Grams. (Maybe some of you already knew that, though. Forgive me, I discovered Charmed last year so I get excited when I learn new things about it ;P) I don’t hate this episode, some of it is kind of funny (Paige to Leo, "Ah, no! I don’t dig." Gets me every time xD), but the inconsistency with the timeline just bothers me to no end. But knowing why it was written about Grams instead of Patty makes me feel a little better now. I guess. Ha. Interesting about Finola Hughes not being available for the filming of Witchstock. I guess that explains why the episode was about Grams, instead of Patty. The inconsistency with the timeline bothers me to no end, too. It is, of course, Finola would only being playing Patty when summoned in the present, as they'd have re-cast someone else to play teen Patty in the 60s. I'm surprised they didn't figure out a way to still do this one with them time traveling to the 60s and meeting teenage Patty, and just skipping the whole planned Patty/Chris/Leo subplot in the present, which in canon went to Grams. I'd have just scrapped this episode, or saved it for when Finola Hughes was available. |
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Post by zoeysmom on Nov 7, 2021 16:02:37 GMT -5
Interesting about Finola Hughes not being available for the filming of Witchstock. I guess that explains why the episode was about Grams, instead of Patty. The inconsistency with the timeline bothers me to no end, too. It is, of course, Finola would only being playing Patty when summoned in the present, as they'd have re-cast someone else to play teen Patty in the 60s. I'm surprised they didn't figure out a way to still do this one with them time traveling to the 60s and meeting teenage Patty, and just skipping the whole planned Patty/Chris/Leo subplot in the present, which in canon went to Grams. I'd have just scrapped this episode, or saved it for when Finola Hughes was available. I would've preferred they scrapped this episode or saved it for when Finola was available, too. |
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