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Post by zachary on Dec 19, 2023 11:21:37 GMT -5
In HoH she said she that when she was in hospital she had such nice memories because they were all getting along and they were both there by her side, now Shannen is saying Alyssa kept her away and Holly is just going along with it? I feel like she is very flaky and often sides with who’s hot at the time. Says a lot, doesn't it? |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 19, 2023 11:48:20 GMT -5
I’m akin to believe Shannen and the news just makes me upset because of the way she was treated and the fact that she wanted to come back to season 4 and was even in talks to direct some episodes and then we have people scheming behind her back. This is very upsetting and makes me wish Phoebe had died instead of Prue. This was exactly how I felt, when I didn't separate the art from the artist. Again, it's part of the reason I don't do too much "off the show" stuff, this includes these podcasts. If you can't separate the art from the artist, you'll end up hating the show. I already see this happening with some (not all) members. |
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Post by myystery on Dec 19, 2023 13:22:56 GMT -5
I suspected it after Part 1, but this makes it even more likely for me that Alyssa's mom was the true "source of evil". I think it was more her wanting to make her daughter "the star" and plot against Shannen than Alyssa herself.
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Post by shay321 on Dec 19, 2023 16:24:04 GMT -5
You know whats the worst part in all of this?
imagine if (knock on wood) shannen doesnt recover and evetually give in to her illness then people will go even more ballistic and start cursing on alyssa and her family and swear on her for all these ''you fired shannen'' accusations and '' she is dead because she couldnt raise enough money to fight cancer back and thats because she got fired from charmed etc'' comments
JUST MARK MY WORDS, the media is full of articles about charmed these days if you google it, and imagine having a birthday the time all these go down
Just poor timing for alyssa at this point
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 19, 2023 16:33:08 GMT -5
You know whats the worst part in all of this? imagine if (knock on wood) shannen doesnt recover and evetually give in to her illness then people will go even more ballistic and start cursing on alyssa and her family and swear on her for all these ''you fired shannen'' accusations and '' she is dead because she couldnt raise enough money to fight cancer back and thats because she got fired from charmed etc'' comments JUST MARK MY WORDS, the media is full of articles about charmed these days if you google it, and imagine having a birthday the time all these go down Just poor timing for alyssa at this point It's way I stay away from a lot of these "news", these days. It just breeds toxicity and drama, then people lose sight of why they loved the show, in the first place. I'm over the whole "Shannen got fired" thing, but it seems like not everybody is. It's quite sad that the drama of all of this is more important than the show, in my personal opinion. That some (not all) rather drag the actors and BTS folks through the mud than the show's own merit, without the extra nonsense these podcasts bring. But, it's people's choice, I guess. I'm gonna continue watching the show without the influence of the actors, producers, network, other fans, etc., opinions shaping my own. I'm perfectly capable of coming up with my own thoughts. Wish others will follow suit. |
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Post by missjessica on Dec 19, 2023 17:40:40 GMT -5
You know whats the worst part in all of this? imagine if (knock on wood) shannen doesnt recover and evetually give in to her illness then people will go even more ballistic and start cursing on alyssa and her family and swear on her for all these ''you fired shannen'' accusations and '' she is dead because she couldnt raise enough money to fight cancer back and thats because she got fired from charmed etc'' comments JUST MARK MY WORDS, the media is full of articles about charmed these days if you google it, and imagine having a birthday the time all these go down Just poor timing for alyssa at this point That's just sadly what the media does, this is basically the most talked about aspect of the show period, more so than the show and the characters. But it doesn't help fans continue to keep the situation talked about ALL the time.
I'm glad Shannen has told her story (so she can put it to rest now and move on.), she's had to put up with this for 20 years non stop being asked this question all the time. It couldn't have been easy for her and her family with being harassed back in the day labeled a nasty person and being a trouble maker on set and all the rumors. But, there are three sides to every story. One for each person and the truth. Which is not always easy, since everyone has their own perspective from which they look at certain events. It's very easy to jump on the ‘let’s blame Alyssa for everything’ train and gang up on her, but I don’t think Holly and Shannen are lying, but they are leaving some stuff out of the story I think.
Does Alyssa deserve the same treatment Shannen got back then, no. Do fans, need to learn to separate actor from art, yes. (As hard as that is for some to do). Do they need to learn to leave the cast alone and understand they are people too, and to stop harassing Alyssa, Holly and Shannen on social media, yes. It's poor timing for Alyssa with it coming out a day before her birthday.  It would be nice for BOTH Shannen and Alyssa to sit down and hash it out. But it doesn't seem like that'll ever happen. It's the easiest way to heal. |
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Post by missjessica on Dec 19, 2023 17:44:45 GMT -5
Alyssa already denied these very rumors when they came up right before S4 aired. I dont see her changing her tune. We know she thinks that it was like being in High School with S/H. She and Shannen didnt get along, one would be ok with the other on opposite days, she regrets her part in it. I think the ONLY way she would speak on it is if she spoke with Shannen and sadly....no one is interested in actually speaking and getting to the source of things. THey'd rather just be in their individual corners without comparing stories. 100% agree. perhaps they all need to watch Power Outage together and resolve it between themselves. They really need to hash it out. It's the only way to heal. But It doesn't seem like that's a possibility.
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 19, 2023 21:59:34 GMT -5
PART 2 podcast with Holly is out. LINK to Spotify link: open.spotify.com/episode/79GoZUYLP6xSJ2OezBJbgf?si=dxPpb54TTCiCZNiFqP_05ARundown of Part 2: *Shannen made it clear its in the past the drama. Shannen gets this question asked ALL THE TIME constantly. It's time to just share her side so everyone can quit asking about it. Season 3 and Shannen's firing and Alyssa issues
*She explains the narrative she told all these years was given to her that she quit the show is not true. She's at the point in her life where she doesn't want to keep lying about it. Charmed meant so much to her and she loved the Job, cast and crew. A father who was extremely sick and the show helped provide the care. So when she got taken away her likelihood, it hurt. *Shannen thinks the idea of quitting a hit show that made so much money for her and enjoys working on is silly that's what so many believe. She loved the show and never would've left. *Shannen was the highest paid actress because the show was buit around her. When Alyssa found this out it caused her to make a side deal with Spelling for more money than Shannen. *Spelling did some back door deals. Shannen joked how much knowledge Holly had about stuff she wasn't part of. She admits she keeps every text and email of evidence. Shannen does the same. She loves to have references whenever someone comes to her, she can be quick to go through her receipts. *It was revealed Alyssa had gone to HR with receipts of all the times she felt uncomfortable on set and working to build a case for a lawsuit. Feeling she was on a very hostile work environment. Shannen mentioned she never knew or found out what in question made Alyssa feel that way. *None of the issues happened on set Holly made it clear. All the crew and guest stars wouldn't notice it. They never had any tension on set. So by today's standards it wouldn't fly. Nobody had any issues with Shannen on set. *Someone (assumer Alyssa) forced a ”it’s either she goes or I go” situation, leading to the network firing Shannen in May 2001. *A trailer talk occurred behind the scenes between the actresses was spoken about in passing about a possible cause for her dismissal but was never elaborated upon further. *A year after she was fired Shannen kept repaying and trying to find moments where Alyssa felt Shannen was hostile to her and she couldn't find any. They never had it out private or publicly. *Shannen and Alyssa never had any drama on set. Shannen recalls a time she directed and had to rearrange things around for Alyssa due to a studio note. Shannen was understanding and kind to her. She brought up a time Alyssa's mom was working on creating Shannen's website without Shannen's permission and Shannen told her to take it down. She didn't go further on that bit it's a brief thing she thought maybe added to the tension. *Holly believes they picked Shannen to be let go because of what happened on 90210 before. It was easier to use as a narrative with the media. Shannen thought that was a valid point. Post-Shannen Firing *They believe the male crew pitted the women against each other and to keep then separated. Because they didn't want them to come together and get equal pay. Holly mentioned she did the most work for little pay and didn't ask for more because she wanted more money for guest stars. *Holly spoke about her grieving Shannen's departure. She was threatened if she quit, they would sue her and dock her wages for whatever they felt they lost moneywise because of her departure. They forced her to go back to a show she didn't want to go back too. *Shannen believes they didn't let Holly quit because they can't lose two sisters and the truth would come out because two departures would be hard to sell with the media. *Shannen believes Holly was the glue to the success of the remainder of the show after she left. *Shannen mentioned she went with the narrative she quit so her career would survive. She thinks it was ridiculous she'd quit a hit show, If she did, it would be a more epic death. Looking back she wishes she sued for loss of wages of her firing and was honest about it back then. *Holly spoke about getting the call from Shannen that she was fired. *Shannen was happy that Rose stepped in in what she brought to the show after she left. The media expected Shannen and Rose hating each other, didn't happen since they saw each other and posed for a photo smiling. Shannen felt that was ridiculous it wasn't Rose's fault she was the replacement. *Holly mentioned that because Brian and Alyssa were dating at the time, that he may have been somehow an accomplice in Alyssa’s actions. He only recently apologized to Holly for how difficult it was for her to cope with going from season 3 to season 4. Shannen asked back for finale *Shannen mentioned she was asked back for the finale and she didn't want to do it and declined. *Shannen has no idea what they had in mind. *Sadly she didn't read Kern's letter. Returning for a reboot/continuation *Shannen would come back to do Charmed again in a continuation. And that CBS is the reason why they can't. Holly said there’s also split screen and green screen and people don’t have to work together if they don’t want to. Shannen joked she thinks Prue may be an Elder now. *Shannen and Holly joked about ideas of a continuation. To the Fans*Shannen and Holly want to make it clear talking about this all on the on the podcast isn't to ruin the fandom and fans legacy of the show, but one can't keep hiding the truth forever. I just want to thank Shannen for finally having her say after years and years of having to pretty much lie to fans about her departure from the show, I couldn't imagine how hard it was to constantly lie about it for 20 years. I'm just so happy she had a chance to finally be clear and tell everyone her truth of what really happened. I honestly always thought that the ultimatum even though rumored was true and guess what, it was. Alyssa went to the mediator and provided all the times she apparently felt uncomfortable, unsafe, etc. on set and said that if they don't fire Shannen that she would sue the company for a hostile work environment. Of course, Spelling having fired Shannen before decided it was easier to fire Shannen then to be sued and lose Alyssa and possibly anyone else. Shannen and Holly stated that there was no tension, bawls, or verbal aggression on the set, so I'm assuming that Alyssa was picking needles out of a haystack to find these moments to provide to the mediator. When Shannen was fired, Holly spoke to a producer who had stated that they didn't want to fire Shannen but confirmed that they didn't have a choice (I'm assuming because of the Alyssa stating she will sue) and Holly informed the producer that she didn't want to continue the show without Shannen as she started it with her and wanted to continue the show with her or end it with her. And guess what? The producer told Holly if she broke her contract that they would sue her for breach of contract and would dock her wage in any future roles or jobs, Holly of course having a 3-year-old at home was mortified and ended up staying on the show because of that. I mean, who wouldn't? They were literally threatening her livelihood. Shannen stated that she loved the show, she was able to do her own stunts, direct and eventually was able to have more say in the direction of the show and her character. Shannen also was supporting her father who was battling an illness during her time on Charmed as well. So why would she quit? Her getting fired made sense and now we finally know how that came about. Shannen has confirmed that she has no issues or grudges against Alyssa either, which is good to know. Like, I get that Alyssa may have had a hard time coming into Shannen and Holly’s dynamic and may have been upset due to Shannen getting paid more but was it really worth it to cause this tension and have someone fired? Like your true colors are showing right here. I think Alyssa wanted to be the star of Charmed and it really showed in the later seasons. I’m praying to whoever I need to pray to, to get a continuation while Shannen is still alive, because I think that would be so wild! |
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Post by goldeneye049 on Dec 20, 2023 5:28:48 GMT -5
We are surrounded by toxic and manipulative people. Maybe Alyssa is, maybe Shannen or Holly or some of us are. Maybe Alyssa's mom is and I think so for daring to publicly say that Shannen is lying... And to add that she has no family (it's horrible and unimportant and it makes us understand that she is present). Rather than staying silent or responding that it was a huge misunderstanding and it wasn't that simple. People like this are blameless and immediately shift blame and add more blame. Imagine that one day Alyssa complains to her family about the strong friendship between Shannen and Holly. It's a real game for someone toxic and there she can use her puppet. Regardless, I'm still disappointed because Alyssa also disrespected the fans by having a character killed off and making an episode feel like it was lacking. We'll see if Alyssa responds publicly, but she previously said she was primarily responsible for her departure. I think she regrets it and that it was her mother who manipulated her. I think she won't say anything because even if she admitted it, she would never get close to the girls again and her mother would be furious. She is caught between two stools.
(Of course maybe I say anything and everyone lies ahha)
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Post by rebooted on Dec 20, 2023 15:33:16 GMT -5
I’m so torn with this whole narrative. Phoebe was my absolute favourite character and it saddens me to hear about all the drama! I feel for Alyssa in a way, it would of been hard in that dynamic as obviously Shannen and Holly were already friends and had history, being only the 3 girls I feel Alyssa would of felt left out a lot which could of caused some of the drama - I can just imagine how it would of been with 3 women, 2s company 3s a crowd! I know what it’s like to be in that situation and it is not a fun time. Since listening to these podcasts my opinion on Holly has changed, I loved her and often thought of her as the mediator, but something’s just doesn’t line up for me. In HoH she said she that when she was in hospital she had such nice memories because they were all getting along and they were both there by her side, now Shannen is saying Alyssa kept her away and Holly is just going along with it? I feel like she is very flaky and often sides with who’s hot at the time. I hope Shannen brings Alyssa on so they can just clear the air! I totally agree with you here. I remember in the HoH podcast her saying that stuff about the hospital. Shannen and Holly were also bridesmaids at Alyssa's wedding. It always seems to not be Holly's fault. Like - she was 'seduced' into the Milano family who were trying to help her. She takes no ownership of anything. And the snarls towards Brian Krause are terrible. So what if Brian dated Alyssa? That should be private. I'm sorry but in all this, my perception of HMC has changed the most. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Dec 20, 2023 21:26:09 GMT -5
Holly could be in the hospital more than once people.
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 20, 2023 22:49:19 GMT -5
I’m so torn with this whole narrative. Phoebe was my absolute favourite character and it saddens me to hear about all the drama! I feel for Alyssa in a way, it would of been hard in that dynamic as obviously Shannen and Holly were already friends and had history, being only the 3 girls I feel Alyssa would of felt left out a lot which could of caused some of the drama - I can just imagine how it would of been with 3 women, 2s company 3s a crowd! I know what it’s like to be in that situation and it is not a fun time. Since listening to these podcasts my opinion on Holly has changed, I loved her and often thought of her as the mediator, but something’s just doesn’t line up for me. In HoH she said she that when she was in hospital she had such nice memories because they were all getting along and they were both there by her side, now Shannen is saying Alyssa kept her away and Holly is just going along with it? I feel like she is very flaky and often sides with who’s hot at the time. I hope Shannen brings Alyssa on so they can just clear the air! I totally agree with you here. I remember in the HoH podcast her saying that stuff about the hospital. Shannen and Holly were also bridesmaids at Alyssa's wedding. It always seems to not be Holly's fault. Like - she was 'seduced' into the Milano family who were trying to help her. She takes no ownership of anything. And the snarls towards Brian Krause are terrible. So what if Brian dated Alyssa? That should be private. I'm sorry but in all this, my perception of HMC has changed the most. Holly states in the first part of the podcast episode that Alyssa and her family were so overly kind to her that she was seduced by them as she didn't have the best upbringing and that what they were offering was very seductive. Coming from a single parent family which struggled and being the older sister, I totally get how it could be seductive. While I think Holly is very much a flip flopper, I won't deny that she described the situation as it was, seductive. I agree, my perception has also changed in regards to Holly and acknowledge she is a flip flopper but she has a right to tell her story alongside Shannen's. |
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 20, 2023 22:50:29 GMT -5
Holly could be in the hospital more than once people. She was apparently in hospital when the producer came to tell her Shannen was fired and then threatened to sue her if she terminated her contract. |
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Post by myystery on Dec 21, 2023 8:20:38 GMT -5
There have to be at least three times Holly was in hospital while Charmed was it its first years. The first one during filming Season 1 (The Power of Two episode reflected that with almost no Piper) and I think that was what Holly referred to in the other podcast with Alyssa and her family and Shannen coming to her bed. That was, apparently, the time when they all got along (also confirmed in this podcast). Then there must have been another hospital stay while filming Season 2, which caused that "weird rift" between Shannen and Holly because Alyssa's family was allegedly "blocking" Shannen from seeing Holly. Last but not least, once Season 3 had ended, Holly seemingly was in hospital for a third time, discussing Shannen's firing and her future on the show with that Jonathan guy.
That is how I put this puzzle together.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 21, 2023 13:23:57 GMT -5
Holly could be in the hospital more than once people. She was apparently in hospital when the producer came to tell her Shannen was fired and then threatened to sue her if she terminated her contract. I understand the "Holly is a flip flopper" argument, now. In this 2023 Shannen Podcast, Holly's in the hospital, gets told by a producer that Shannen is fired, and Holly can't leave, either, unless she wants to get sued. Versus In this 2020 "Ask Jillian" Podcast, Shannen, personally, called Holly, when they were on hiatus and told Holly that she (Shannen) was fired. And, Holly stormed up to the producers, demanding to leave, as well but was pulled to the side by a producer and said she couldn't leave, or she'll get sued. Not to mention, in this same 2020 "Ask Jillian" Podcast, Holly said Shannen wanted to quit in "December". And, a Mediator existed. Which this really old video reiterates this same narrative, that Shannen wanted to quit, and that the ultimatum from Alyssa's side/end happened. And, that Holly was under contract and wasn't going anywhere.
What HAS been consistent is the following: - Shannen was fired - Alyssa's side/end set an ultimatum - Holly would be sued if she tried to quit due to being under contract |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 21, 2023 16:01:22 GMT -5
I (also) want to add that Holly was probably *just a guess though) under a 5 year contract.
'Cause Rose said her's (as in Rose's) was a 5 year contract.
By S5, Holly became producer and would probably only return for S6-S8, as long as she kept that title (which she did).
The 2020 "Ask Jillian" Podcast confirms that Holly wanted a producer title, to have more "standing" (and say) on the show. Without that title, her opinions were meaningless.
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 21, 2023 16:55:06 GMT -5
She was apparently in hospital when the producer came to tell her Shannen was fired and then threatened to sue her if she terminated her contract. I understand the "Holly is a flip flopper" argument, now. In this 2023 Shannen Podcast, Holly's in the hospital, gets told by a producer that Shannen is fired, and Holly can't leave, either, unless she wants to get sued. Versus In this 2020 "Ask Jillian" Podcast, Shannen, personally, called Holly, when they were on hiatus and told Holly that she (Shannen) was fired. And, Holly stormed up to the producers, demanding to leave, as well but was pulled to the side by a producer and said she couldn't leave, or she'll get sued. Not to mention, in this same 2020 "Ask Jillian" Podcast, Holly said Shannen wanted to quit in "December". And, a Mediator existed. Which this really old video reiterates this same narrative, that Shannen wanted to quit, and that the ultimatum from Alyssa's side/end happened. And, that Holly was under contract and wasn't going anywhere.
What HAS been consistent is the following: - Shannen was fired - Alyssa's side/end set an ultimatum - Holly would be sued if she tried to quit due to being under contract I feel like because this is back and 2020, maybe Shannen asked Holly to keep the ‘I quit’ bit going? As Shannen did admit that she was lying all these years about quitting some maybe Holly supported that narrative for Shannen until she finally made it all clear in the podcast? Who knows? I know that Holly has apparently told different versions of the same stories so that is how she is getting the flip flopper name. I do believe what she said on Shannen’s podcast together, I feel she may of been genuine in that moment. You know? But you’re right, we now have those three consecutive and consistent stories of Shannen being fired, Alyssa’s ultimatum and Holly being threatened to be sued if she terminated her contract. |
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 21, 2023 16:57:46 GMT -5
I (also) want to add that Holly was probably *just a guess though) under a 5 year contract. 'Cause Rose said her's (as in Rose's) was a 5 year contract. By S5, Holly became producer and would probably only return for S6-S8, as long as she kept that title (which she did). The 2020 "Ask Jillian" Podcast confirms that Holly wanted a producer title, to have more "standing" (and say) on the show. Without that title, her opinions were meaningless. I guess because of how successful the show was maybe it was a five year contract? I’m not really sure? I do believe Rose signed on for five years as she had hoped at the beginning of hiatus they would be cancelled but they never were and she apparently cried each time they were renewed. I do believe Holly confirms this lightly in Shannen’s podcast as she said it gave her more of a say and standing on things that happened on the show. |
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Post by grindylow on Dec 22, 2023 4:52:40 GMT -5
I’m so torn with this whole narrative. Phoebe was my absolute favourite character and it saddens me to hear about all the drama! I feel for Alyssa in a way, it would of been hard in that dynamic as obviously Shannen and Holly were already friends and had history, being only the 3 girls I feel Alyssa would of felt left out a lot which could of caused some of the drama - I can just imagine how it would of been with 3 women, 2s company 3s a crowd! I know what it’s like to be in that situation and it is not a fun time. Since listening to these podcasts my opinion on Holly has changed, I loved her and often thought of her as the mediator, but something’s just doesn’t line up for me. In HoH she said she that when she was in hospital she had such nice memories because they were all getting along and they were both there by her side, now Shannen is saying Alyssa kept her away and Holly is just going along with it? I feel like she is very flaky and often sides with who’s hot at the time. I hope Shannen brings Alyssa on so they can just clear the air! I totally agree with you here. I remember in the HoH podcast her saying that stuff about the hospital. Shannen and Holly were also bridesmaids at Alyssa's wedding. It always seems to not be Holly's fault. Like - she was 'seduced' into the Milano family who were trying to help her. She takes no ownership of anything. And the snarls towards Brian Krause are terrible. So what if Brian dated Alyssa? That should be private. I'm sorry but in all this, my perception of HMC has changed the most. I agree with both these points! I also used to think HMC was more of a mediator, she was kind and supportive of everyone and was just innocently swept away in all the drama. But now I'm starting to think she hugely aggravated the situation, she easily switches sides depending on who social media prefers at the time, her narrative and opinions are inconsistent to me and I'm doubting everything she says. I agree, my opinion of Holly has definitely changed the most. Alyssa most definitely isn't innocent, but there's always two sides to the story. She hasn't defended herself or told her truth (and probably won't) so we can only speculate what that would be. Ultimately they're all adults, but acted like teenagers. Shannen seems to have matured the most and I respect her for speaking so honestly, my opinion of her has definitely improved. I will still love the show though and agree the actors are not the characters, so Phoebe remains my favourite  |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Dec 22, 2023 8:41:28 GMT -5
I (also) want to add that Holly was probably *just a guess though) under a 5 year contract. 'Cause Rose said her's (as in Rose's) was a 5 year contract. By S5, Holly became producer and would probably only return for S6-S8, as long as she kept that title (which she did). The 2020 "Ask Jillian" Podcast confirms that Holly wanted a producer title, to have more "standing" (and say) on the show. Without that title, her opinions were meaningless. Rose was under a contract that would more or less match Holly/Alyssas which was 7 years/7 seasons before renegotiating for an extra year likely during S5. They wouldnt sign her to a contract that is way longer than the other 2 when there is no show without the other 2. She was apparently in hospital when the producer came to tell her Shannen was fired and then threatened to sue her if she terminated her contract. I understand the "Holly is a flip flopper" argument, now. In this 2023 Shannen Podcast, Holly's in the hospital, gets told by a producer that Shannen is fired, and Holly can't leave, either, unless she wants to get sued. Versus In this 2020 "Ask Jillian" Podcast, Shannen, personally, called Holly, when they were on hiatus and told Holly that she (Shannen) was fired. And, Holly stormed up to the producers, demanding to leave, as well but was pulled to the side by a producer and said she couldn't leave, or she'll get sued. Not to mention, in this same 2020 "Ask Jillian" Podcast, Holly said Shannen wanted to quit in "December". And, a Mediator existed. Which this really old video reiterates this same narrative, that Shannen wanted to quit, and that the ultimatum from Alyssa's side/end happened. And, that Holly was under contract and wasn't going anywhere.
What HAS been consistent is the following: - Shannen was fired - Alyssa's side/end set an ultimatum - Holly would be sued if she tried to quit due to being under contract Its no secret that Shannen did ask to quit, got turned down, and told to get back to work. Which she did. She's said throughout the years that her dad was sick and she wanted time with him. But Shannen was definitely putting on an act after her firing since she didnt want to be known as the difficult one who gets fired. |
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