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Post by greta on Dec 16, 2023 2:00:19 GMT -5
An off-hand joke in another thread got me an idea for a thread topic.
I will DIE on the hill that S3E9 "Coyote Piper" is the BEST Prue, EVER! If Prue could've been like that, the WHOLE time, she'd instantly be my favorite character, easily! Unfortunately, it's only in one episode T_T Quick Prue fans someone go cast a memory loss spell to make Aaeiyn instantly lose her memory of S1-S3, except for that one episode, then she'll instantly become a Prue die hard fan.  Quick Prue fans someone go cast a memory loss spell to make Aaeiyn instantly lose her memory of S1-S3, except for that one episode, then she'll instantly become a Prue die hard fan. 
Well here's the topic thread that got me going:
Are there any characters on Charmed you think you could've liked more or been bigger fans of if certain episodes didn't exist for their character. An example using myself:
Cole. If all the S5 episodes (and some S3 and S4 episodes) with Cole didn't exist, I'd likely love Cole way more.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 16, 2023 3:14:19 GMT -5
I'd probably like Piper way more if S2 & S8 didn't exist. Along with episodes (or just remove the dialogue) that make it canon that she blows up Leo, whenever she gets angry with him via S5E15 "The Day That Magic Died" and/or S7E6 "Once in a Blue Moon".
I like bossy/uptight Prue who was the workaholic. I miss that, A LOT, in her character, in S2. Along with her knowledge of historical artifacts, once she quit Buckland's. I don't like Prue as a Photographer.
There are still episodes I like Prue in, like S1E3 "Thank You For Not Morphing", S2E3 "The Painted World", S3E9 "Coyote Piper", etc. It's just that a lot of her episodes aren't really that interesting to me.
Maybe it's because I tend to be the minority on opinions, so it just could be that I'm so sick and tired of hearing about how everyone loves the Prue character, that I'd rather not add onto the "already said and done" conversations and like to move the conversation in a different direction. Shed some light on the other sisters, instead of talking about Prue, all of the time.
I can see myself repelling against Prue, simply because she's the popular sister, and that's not fair to the character. I'm just tired of talking about her LOL
I've done the same thing with episodes like S1E17 "That 70s Episode", S1E22 "Deja Vu all Over, Again", S2E2 "Morality Bites", etc. The more it's talked about/praised, the more I want to do the opposite of what everyone else is doing LOL
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Post by pheebs on Dec 16, 2023 16:19:11 GMT -5
Probably Piper if S2, bits and pieces of her attuite in S4 and S7-S8 didn't exist.
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Post by Elle Em on Dec 17, 2023 7:45:19 GMT -5
I'd choose Love Hurts to not exist. That way, I'd like Piper all throughout season 1. Plus Leo wouldn't come back.
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Post by Keeper Of Melinda's Locket on Dec 17, 2023 21:29:08 GMT -5
I'd choose Love Hurts to not exist. That way, I'd like Piper all throughout season 1. Plus Leo wouldn't come back. Oh yes, this! Without Leo, would open so many positive doors for Piper's character. |
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Post by rebooted on Dec 18, 2023 18:15:18 GMT -5
I feel like AHBL tainted my opinion about Prue - especially with her recklessness and how she lost control when Piper died.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 18, 2023 19:43:10 GMT -5
I feel like AHBL tainted my opinion about Prue - especially with her recklessness and how she lost control when Piper died. So glad somebody else sees it, too! That episode was so awful! Don't know why a lot of people like that episode. The Reddit fans, anyway. I will say it's the best I can get of "evil Prue", and why she doesn't have her snow breath power from S2E14 "Pardon My Past". 'Cause her "past self" must've abused it. As she was only "evil" for like 5 secs, in S3E13 "Bride & Gloom", that it wasn't enough to justify why present Prue didn't have her ice breath power thing. Whereas, S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose" gave more strength to that, but I digress. I still don't like the episode LOL |
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Post by missjessica on Dec 19, 2023 18:47:33 GMT -5
I feel like AHBL tainted my opinion about Prue - especially with her recklessness and how she lost control when Piper died. So glad somebody else sees it, too! That episode was so awful! Don't know why a lot of people like that episode. The Reddit fans, anyway. I will say it's the best I can get of "evil Prue", and why she doesn't have her snow breath power from S2E14 "Pardon My Past". 'Cause her "past self" must've abused it. As she was only "evil" for like 5 secs, in S3E13 "Bride & Gloom", that it wasn't enough to justify why present Prue didn't have her ice breath power thing. Whereas, S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose" gave more strength to that, but I digress. I still don't like the episode LOL Maybe because it was Shannen's last episode ever (and the acting being amazing to some with the drama and intense scenes where Piper dies) may have some part in why so many fans praise it. But I disagree completely, because its a HORRIBLE outing for Prue's character (It insults her legacy for how she acted and lost control). Acting aside, its a really bad episode. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 20, 2023 22:52:56 GMT -5
For me, I truly think I'd like Piper more if my favorite episode, 'Morality Bites' never existed. Since I don't think Piper ever truly loved Leo (she wouldn't have treated him the way she did if she did...) I think the only reason she married him, someone who could never give her the "normal" life she wanted so badly, was so she could have Melinda, whom she saw in that potential future. Had she married someone who wasn't magical and never had kids, I truly think she'd be happier, and if she was happier, she'd treat others better, stop whining and be a character I actually could like - something I couldn't do once she started treating both Leo and Dan so horribly, the real reason why I hate the triangle.
Now had Ted King stayed and it was Prue who saw her future daughter while Piper had a bunch of P3s, then I could really like both sisters as they worked towards those goals. It would help Prue relax and make more sense than her suddenly loving photography when she was younger, and maybe stop Piper from whining.
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Post by Prue's Feather on Dec 23, 2023 17:17:57 GMT -5
Definitely Piper, if a majority of S2 didn’t exist (and also parts of the later seasons as well, but I sometimes have a bit more difficulty pinpointing exactly when she annoys me, probably more so because of my disappointment with her character arc in general, LOL... And adding to that, I CAN understand why she’s so bitter and angry at times later on, just not from S1 to S2...). I loved my sweet, meek, anxious Piper from S1. What happened to that once S2 started? It’s like the real Piper was kidnapped during the hiatus between S1 and S2 and an imposter was put in her place 😆
To be fair, I will say there are hints of that S1 Piper throughout S2, and I do understand she’s always been reluctant to being a witch since day one and that wanting a sense of normalcy in her life is nothing new for her. But the love triangle really brought out the worst in her and what a shame that a more Piper focused season was wasted on that versus a character growth arc for her. Had we’d just seen more focus on the Piper character herself and having her go through some personal journey, whether it be connected to P3, cooking, or developing her confidence, just SOMETHING other than merely her love interest(s) (and just having no love triangle at all), then I’d probably have liked Piper so much more.
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Post by West on Dec 23, 2023 18:55:42 GMT -5
Definitely Piper, if a majority of S2 didn’t exist (and also parts of the later seasons as well, but I sometimes have a bit more difficulty pinpointing exactly when she annoys me, probably more so because of my disappointment with her character arc in general, LOL... And adding to that, I CAN understand why she’s so bitter and angry at times later on, just not from S1 to S2...). I loved my sweet, meek, anxious Piper from S1. What happened to that once S2 started? It’s like the real Piper was kidnapped during the hiatus between S1 and S2 and an imposter was put in her place 😆 To be fair, I will say there are hints of that S1 Piper throughout S2, and I do understand she’s always been reluctant to being a witch since day one and that wanting a sense of normalcy in her life is nothing new for her. But the love triangle really brought out the worst in her and what a shame that a more Piper focused season was wasted on that versus a character growth arc for her. Had we’d just seen more focus on the Piper character herself and having her go through some personal journey, whether it be connected to P3, cooking, or developing her confidence, just SOMETHING other than merely her love interest(s) (and just having no love triangle at all), then I’d probably have liked Piper so much more. Lol I really wish that was her S2 storyline that the love triangle. Which did nothing but make me dislike her. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Dec 24, 2023 3:26:00 GMT -5
Definitely Piper, if a majority of S2 didn’t exist (and also parts of the later seasons as well, but I sometimes have a bit more difficulty pinpointing exactly when she annoys me, probably more so because of my disappointment with her character arc in general, LOL... And adding to that, I CAN understand why she’s so bitter and angry at times later on, just not from S1 to S2...). I loved my sweet, meek, anxious Piper from S1. What happened to that once S2 started? It’s like the real Piper was kidnapped during the hiatus between S1 and S2 and an imposter was put in her place 😆 To be fair, I will say there are hints of that S1 Piper throughout S2, and I do understand she’s always been reluctant to being a witch since day one and that wanting a sense of normalcy in her life is nothing new for her. But the love triangle really brought out the worst in her and what a shame that a more Piper focused season was wasted on that versus a character growth arc for her. Had we’d just seen more focus on the Piper character herself and having her go through some personal journey, whether it be connected to P3, cooking, or developing her confidence, just SOMETHING other than merely her love interest(s) (and just having no love triangle at all), then I’d probably have liked Piper so much more. Lol I really wish that was her S2 storyline that the love triangle. Which did nothing but make me dislike her. To be honest, I would have given a 'love triangle' storyline to Phoebe, it would just make sense for her character. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 24, 2023 14:33:32 GMT -5
Lol I really wish that was her S2 storyline that the love triangle. Which did nothing but make me dislike her. To be honest, I would have given a 'love triangle' storyline to Phoebe, it would just make sense for her character. Why would you think it would fit Phoebe's character. Maybe S3-8 PhoeME's, but not S1-2 Phoebs'! I much prefer her when she doesn't have a love interest, but then I like every Halliwell best when she doesn't have a love interest - a Halliwell in love is not a nice character; it's usually all about HER and not the guy or anyone else - very obviously Grams (think Kern...) influence. Paige was SO lucky to have been raised by her adopted parents and not Grams and the way Grams felt about men. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 24, 2023 17:45:05 GMT -5
Why would you think it would fit Phoebe's character. Maybe S3-8 PhoeME's, but not S1-2 Phoebs'! I can see even S1-S2 Phoebe being in a love triangle, herself. Afterall, she's the one with more BFs than her sisters, see S2E10 "Heartbreak City". That same episode even displayed how much she wanted what her sisters had, love. S1E5 "Dream Sorcerer" had her be the one to come up with that "love spell" and called it "empowering". And, Connie's (show creator) name is credited for writing this episode, as well. And, how she fell back pretty hard for Clay, in S1E11 "Feats of Clay" despite his shady past. If you needed some S1-S2 examples. |
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Post by wyatt23 on Jan 4, 2024 7:54:25 GMT -5
I feel like AHBL tainted my opinion about Prue - especially with her recklessness and how she lost control when Piper died. So glad somebody else sees it, too! That episode was so awful! Don't know why a lot of people like that episode. The Reddit fans, anyway. I will say it's the best I can get of "evil Prue", and why she doesn't have her snow breath power from S2E14 "Pardon My Past". 'Cause her "past self" must've abused it. As she was only "evil" for like 5 secs, in S3E13 "Bride & Gloom", that it wasn't enough to justify why present Prue didn't have her ice breath power thing. Whereas, S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose" gave more strength to that, but I digress. I still don't like the episode LOL I think most people like "evil" Prue in this episode more than in Bride and Gloom is because it's for the right reasons. The news and all them were surrounding them, and this shows Prues vulnerability, another reason lots of people like Fear to Eternity. I'd love to see more of this Prue in s4 if she didn't die. Just an idea tho! |
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Post by West on Jan 5, 2024 13:41:10 GMT -5
So glad somebody else sees it, too! That episode was so awful! Don't know why a lot of people like that episode. The Reddit fans, anyway. I will say it's the best I can get of "evil Prue", and why she doesn't have her snow breath power from S2E14 "Pardon My Past". 'Cause her "past self" must've abused it. As she was only "evil" for like 5 secs, in S3E13 "Bride & Gloom", that it wasn't enough to justify why present Prue didn't have her ice breath power thing. Whereas, S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose" gave more strength to that, but I digress. I still don't like the episode LOL I think most people like "evil" Prue in this episode more than in Bride and Gloom is because it's for the right reasons. The news and all them were surrounding them, and this shows Prues vulnerability, another reason lots of people like Fear to Eternity. I'd love to see more of this Prue in s4 if she didn't die. Just an idea tho! I would've liked seeing a vulnerable side of Prue again like we got in other episodes before. We barely saw warlock Prue in Bride and Gloom. Missed opportunities. |
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Post by ryanhalliwell on Jan 5, 2024 14:47:41 GMT -5
Paige if S8 didn't exist
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jan 5, 2024 19:05:18 GMT -5
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jan 15, 2024 17:05:28 GMT -5
There's so MUCH about the Prue character, that it's hard to fit it all, under one post. I'll try my best to explain every irritation/anoyance I have with the Prue character, per episode (that I, personally, take issue with) of S1, for now. I may make another post, regarding the other two seasons. But, I LOVE S1, so it's fresh in my mind compared to S2 & S3, but I digress.
S1E2 "I've Got You Under My Skin"
I guess we can blame Kern for writing her this way, as he's credited for writing this episode, to begin with. She just comes off very hypocritical in ragging on Phoebe for "misusing magic". When, Prue TKs Andy's alarm clock, out the window, so she can make a quick escape. Along with TKing the elevator, so she can make it to her job interview, on time. That being said, I do find BOTH scenarios very funny. Just annoyed at the hypocrisy of it all (thanks to Kern, I suppose), when Phoebe gets criticized (by Prue) for doing similar things.
S1E3 "Thank You For Not Morphing"
Kern is NOT credited for writing this one, however we all know he still has the "ultimate say", even so other writers have figured out how to NOT make Prue as hypocritical nor annoying, but I digress. There's parts of Prue I do like in this episode, however there are still some things I don't like. For example, bossing around her sisters (who are GROWN adults) NOT to see their father, like excuse me? Who made you the boss? Just because she's the oldest, doesn't make her a "leader". On top of that, she even ASSAULTED Victor with her power! I get she was angry and wanted him to leave, but she didn't even ask! Girl needs to calm down!
S1E4 "Dead Man Dating"
First of all, Prue's too smart to know if Andy has a sister or not. Better yet, not even ask such a silly question, to begin with. Especially since it's narrated to us, that Andy and the Halliwells, grew up with each other. So, unless she's REALLY hoping it's a LONG lost sister, just makes her character look really silly. On top of that, she NEARLY killed Andy out of rage and anger! Just like S1E3 "Thank You for Not Morphing", all over, again! Plus, she's a HUGE hypocrite, towards Andy about "keeping secrets", when she's keeping secrets, herself. Thankfully, she remembered about it, towards the end of the episode but still. I don't like hypocrites. On top of that, she was really ungrateful towards her sisters in wanting to throw her a birthday party. So annoying.
S1E5 "Dream Sorcerer"
It's not so much that Prue has a bad attitude in this episode. In fact, it's one of her better attitudes! What bothers me, and it's quite unfair but hear me out, is the ultra focus on her character. For a show who's fans CLAIM this is "about three sisters who happen to be witches", this episode (and many more) tend to throw that out the window, when Prue is hogging up all of the camera time. We can argue, her sisters encouraging her is "sisterly" (when later seasons display much more than this, but I digress), but it's fairly weak, for me. This is a BURGE episode, too, according to the credits, anyway. Something that annoys me with Burge, is that Prue (or, at least, Shannen) is her "star", similar to how Milano is Kern's "star", but I digress. BOTH suck at balancing out the show.
S1E7 "The Fourth Sister"
It's unfortunate because I really do like this episode except for Prue. Aviva has her issues, too, but that's the point, Aviva is SUPPOSED to. Prue shouldn't be having all of these issues in attitude and giving her sisters (especially Phoebe) such attitude in wanting to help Aviva. And, Prue gets to randomly help Aviva, out of nowhere? More hypocritical Prue, at play, here.
S1E9 "The Witch is Back"
Really should STOP lying to Andy about being witch. Going so far as to breaking the law, to do so.
S1E10 "Wicca Envy"
Mostly the ending, when she's "happy to be a witch", when that's NOT how her attitude was in Burge's Pilot, Kern's S1E2 "I've Got You Under My Skin" nor S1E7 "The Fourth Sister", but I digress.
S1E12 "The Wendigo"
HUGE change in character, for her, when she's happily going around slaying monsters and no longer like terrified if Andy knows about her secret her not, as she told him the truth, according to the episode, in the end. Just so OUT of whack, for her character, and the transition didn't make any sense, but I digress.
S1E13 "From Fear to Eternity"
This episode suffers the same fate as S1E5 "Dream Sorcerer". Too Prue centric, for my taste. Especially because Piper wasn't really involved, at all, in this process. "About three sisters who happen to be witches"...what a joke!
S1E14 "Secrets & Guys"
Unfortunately, suffers the same fate as S1E5 "Dream Sorcerer" & S1E13 "From Fear to Eternity". That's THREE Prue centric episodes, in S1, in a show "about three sisters who happen to be witches". I don't see it.
S1E15 "Is There a Woogy, in the House?"
Back, when she thought Woogy Phoebe was Phoebe Phoebe, she was back to her demanding and controlling self (like S1E3 "Thank You For Not Morphing") and trying to "have a sit down" with Phoebe or whatever. She had a right to be irritated but still. Prue is VERY demanding about it, and it's annoying.
S1E16 "Which Prue is it, Anyway?"
Not only is this, yet, ANOTHER Prue centric episode, but I see the early signs of her pride, at work, here. Are we sure this isn't just the Shannen show? I can see how Shannen "being the star of the show" got it into her head. I would, too, if I (now) have FOUR episodes centered around MY character!
S1E17 "That 70s Episode"
She's weirdly calm about the situation. Even Phoebe, the one really into magic, wasn't as calm as Prue was. Prue just seemed...off.
S1E18 "When Bad Warlocks Go Good"
This is NOT the Prue (nor Phoebe) I recognize. Prue would NEVER fall for a Warlock. Phoebe would've but didn't, and no, Kern is NOT credited for writing this episode. It's a bit far fetched for her character to be so understanding, that I don't like the inconsistency, here.
S1E19 "Out of Sight"
Part of the episode is about the reporter, mostly, harassing the Prue character. That it takes the focus away from the Grimlocks and more about Prue's trouble with the reporter, and she's STILL not confiding in Andy to help her about it -_-
S1E20 "The Power of Two"
Not only do I get to see how AWFUL Prue treats Phoebe, but (also) how AWFUL she treats Piper! Phoebe is the sub-in, for Piper, since Piper (lied about it, mind you) was vacationing off ('cause she deserves it), and Prue just piles on demands for Phoebe to get it all done. And, Prue says it's because she has to work, and Phoebe doesn't but like, Piper works, too. So, what is your excuse, now Prue? For how demanding you are of Piper to get ALL this work done, for you, on top of her having to do her own work? NO wonder she becomes quite neurotic after you're gone 'cause YOU did this to her! If Piper can get all of her demands done WHILE working, as well, you can, too Prue. Get it together! Glad Phoebe called you out!
S1E21-22 "Love Hurts" to "Deja Vu all Over, Again"
It's more or less her being OK with being a witch and doing witchly duties, when early Prue would NEVER. Again, INCONSISTENT, and it bothers me. It's not so much her attitude 'cause her attitude is fine, but it's just NOT consistent with the Prue from earlier, and I'm not seeing where the "growth" was nor happened.
These are my main S1 gripes, particularly regarding the Prue character.
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Post by ryanhalliwell on Feb 5, 2024 18:35:46 GMT -5
What's wrong with S8 Paige? She complains about her charges all the time. She is unpleasant to Billie and only scolds her. It's like she no longer likes her job as a charmed one or whitelighter. In fact, when they congratulate her on her new healing power she simply rolls her eyes. Paige from S4-6 would be proud of her progress. Her bitterness starts slowly in S7 as a result of becoming disappointed with magic school and the Kyle/Avatars drama, but by the end of S7 she still has some positivity (she's still nice to her charges, for example). In S8 she's just completely bitter. |
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