PRUES DEATH

[danielle213]

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ITS ONLY MY CHANNEL OR IS EVERYBODY ELSES... BUT WHENEVER THEY GET TO THE EPISODES WHEN THEY GET EXPOSED THEY NEVER PLAY THE 2ND PART. THEY ONLY GET TO WHEN PIPER DIES THEN JUMPS TO PRUES FUNERAL. IS IT IS JUST MINE??

[Assassin Witch]

danielle213 said:

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ITS ONLY MY CHANNEL OR IS EVERYBODY ELSES... BUT WHENEVER THEY GET TO THE EPISODES WHEN THEY GET EXPOSED THEY NEVER PLAY THE 2ND PART. THEY ONLY GET TO WHEN PIPER DIES THEN JUMPS TO PRUES FUNERAL. IS IT IS JUST MINE??

There is no second part. The episode turns back time and shax knocks Prue and Piper into the wall. Then, Charmed Again is Prue's funeral.

[danielle213]

really??? why did I always think theres a second part???... i saw Tempus reset time.. they're back at the manor and get knocked into the wall.. the Dr dies. and the episode ends with Shax. Then next day I see Piper at the book trying to bring back Prue. What did i miss?

[Jamie]

You didn't miss anything, that's how the episodes work. We later learn that Leo wasn't able to heal them both, so he chose Piper because she was his wife, so basically Prue dies. Then the next episode, Piper is trying to resurrect her.

[whitelightertony]

We later learn that Leo wasn't able to heal them both, so he chose Piper because she was his wife, so basically Prue dies.

Um, no.....in "Charmed Again - Part 1," Leo reminds Piper that he can't heal the dead, which implies that Prue was already dead when he orbed in.

[Esmeralda]

danielle213 said:

really??? why did I always think theres a second part???... i saw Tempus reset time.. they're back at the manor and get knocked into the wall.. the Dr dies. and the episode ends with Shax. Then next day I see Piper at the book trying to bring back Prue. What did i miss?

If your version starts with Prue's funeral, you're right; you did miss a scene. You missed the teaser, that part that comes before the credits, and it's exactly the way you described. This comes from www.charmedscripts.tv/charmed_again.htm It's what comes before the funeral:

[Scene: Attic. Piper is in tears as she flips through the Book of Shadows. She cants the Power of Three spell, hoping that Prue would return.]

Piper: Hear now the words of the witches, the secrets we hid in the night. The oldest of Gods are invoked here, the great magic is sought. (A candle flickers. She's surrounded by herb jars, chalices and other ritualistic items.) In this night and in this battle, I call upon the ancient power. (She looks up and closes her eyes.) Bring back my sister. Bring back the Power of Three. (She keeps her eyes closed for a prayerful beat, then she opens them, looks at the candle, but sees nothing. Blindly determined, she starts flipping through pages until she finds another spell, To Call a Lost Witch. She expertly finds and mixes certain ingredients {rosemary, cypress, yarrow root} into a silver bowl as she chants from the book.) Power of the witches' rise. Course unseen across the skies. Come to us, we call you near. Come to us and settle here. (Then, she finds an athame and slices the left finger of her left hand so that blood can symbolically spill directly from her heart and into the bowl.) Blood to blood, I summon thee. Blood to blood, return to me.

(A faint gust of wind flickers the candle, but not much else. She buries her face in her hands in defeat.)

Phoebe: Piper? (Piper looks up, hopeful.)

Piper: Prue? (She looks at the candle. Phoebe enters, wearing her nightclothes and jacket. She has a tear-stained face.)

Phoebe: Sweetie, it 4 o'clock in the morning. What are you doing? (Piper doesn't answer, just stares blankly at the book. Phoebe notices Piper's bleeding and gets a towel.) You're bleeding.

(Piper doesn't notice, doesn't care. Phoebe finds a clean cloth, takes Piper's hand and wraps the wound.)

Piper: I don't understand why magic can't fix this. And why we can't bring Prue back. It's not like we haven't cheated death before. I don't understand why this time isn't any different.

Phoebe: Because Leo can't heal the dead, Piper. You know that.

Piper: There's other magic, magic that we've used before. (She flips through the pages and fights the tears.) Scrying, calling a lost witch, reversing time. (She closes the Book of Shadows. She stands up.) It's like the book just deserted us and deserted Prue, and I don't understand why. (Phoebe takes Piper's other hand, holds them both, shares her pain.)

Phoebe: We lost our sister. How can we ever understand that? (Pause) We've tried every magical way to bring her back… but we can't. She's gone. (Their eyes well up as they face the harsh reality, then they fall into each other's arms. It's a nightmare neither one of them can ever wake up from.) I just - I thank God that I didn't lose you too. (Phoebe gives her a little kiss. She breaks the hug. She sighs.) We have to get some rest. Prue will never forgive us if we look bad at her funeral.

(Piper can't help but smile through the tears at that. She stands, looks down at the Book of Shadows one last time before closing it. Arm-in-arm, they exit, shutting the door behind them. A beat, then a mysterious wind returns our attention to the Book of Shadows. The symbol, the triquetra, on the cover begins to glow. The mysterious wind re-opens the book and magically turns to the pages to the last spell Piper tried to cast, "To Call a Lost Witch...".)

[Scene: South Bay Social Services. A young brunette woman, named Paige Matthews, is seated at her desk and pops in a CD into her computer. She turns her attention to the computer screen.]

Woman: Social services. May I help you?

Paige: Printing! (She notices that a mysterious wind blows out her lit candle. She gets up from her chair and takes a few steps to her right. Paige's back is turned when a newspaper mysteriously appears, landing on the floor next to Paige. She turns and bends over to pick up the newspaper. She looks around.)

Woman: South Bay Social Services. May I help you? (She glances at the paper, noticing the obituary section, informing about Prue Halliwell's Death and where and when the funeral will be held. The obituary reads: PRUE HALLIWELL… "Funeral Services will be held today at Memorial Cemetery, 11:00AM.)

Cowan: Paige, you find that study yet? (Paige's boss, Mr. Cowan, emerges from his office and sees her reading the article. He goes up to her.) Paige, did you hear me? (Paige continues to keep her eye on Prue's obituary and grabs her jacket.)

Paige: Yeah. It's in the printer. I'm sorry, I have to go. (She begins to leave.)

Cowan: What do you mean go? Go where? Paige! Hey, Paige!

Opening Credits

[Scene: Manor. Parlor. It's set up for the post-funeral wake. Phoebe, dressed for the funeral, adjust some flowers on the table. She walks into the living room, where Victor, dressed in a dark suit, is sitting on the chair, staring vacantly at the floor bearing the kind of grief only a parent who's lost a child knows. She gives her Dad a small kiss.]

Phoebe: Can I get you anything? (She touches him tenderly on the shoulder. He looks up at her.)

Victor: Oh, no thanks sweetie.

(Phoebe waters a plant and fiddles with a few plants. Phoebe looks up to find Leo entering the parlor with Cole. Both men are dressed in suits.)

Leo: Look who's back.

Phoebe: Cole! (She runs to him and embraces him in her arms and then releases him.) I was afraid you weren't going to make it to the funeral.

Cole: Well, I - I can't make it… or, shouldn't anyway. The Source has got every demonic bounty hunter out there looking for me.

Phoebe: Yeah. So what else is new?

Cole: This is different. Saving you makes it a different, makes me a traitor - and he not going to stop until he finds me and I don't want that happening at Prue's funeral.

Phoebe: So, we'll protect you.

Cole: You can't protect me.

Phoebe: Why not? We're still witches, aren't we?

Cole: Yeah, but you're not the Charmed Ones anymore.

(Phoebe finds herself at the partially repaired, unpainted wall where Prue died. Leo steps in.)

Leo: He's right, Phoebe. Without the Power of Three… (Phoebe raises her hand.)

Phoebe: I don't understand. Isn't it harder to track a demon in a cemetery, Cole? You have to go. I need you there.

(Cole nods. Victor escorts Darryl in through the front door.)

Darryl: Hey, how are you holdin' up?

Phoebe: Okay. (She and Darryl hug and slowly step away from each other.) It's sweet of you to stop by.

Darryl: Had to. Besides, I thought you should know - they're assigning Prue's case to another inspector.

Leo: What case?

Darryl: What case? Are you kidding? Prue and a prominent doctor were killed here, Leo. Made a lot of press. People want answers. Important people.

Cole: So, what's this guy gonna find? That it was a demonic hitman? Gimme a break.

Darryl: He might. Look, you don't know him like I do. He'll keep looking until he finds something, believe me. Cole: I'm not worried.

Leo: Well, I am. I saw what happened when they were exposed as witches. Time may have reversed itself, but it still cost Prue her life.

Victor: Would you people mind? For God's sake, we're burying my daughter today. Can't this wait?

(Phoebe moves over to hug her father, who's struggling to hold it all together.)

[Scene: Piper and Leo's bedroom. Piper's partially dressed, sitting in front of the mirror, lost in her thoughts, absentmindedly brushing her hair. A beat later, Leo eases open the door and enters.]

Leo: Piper? (She doesn't react, just keeps brushing. Leo approaches her.) Honey, we have to go.

Piper: I don't want to go.

Leo: Why not? (Leo kneels down beside her.)

Piper: Because if I go, that'll mean that Prue's really not coming back, and I don't think I can handle that.

Leo: We can handle it together. (Piper shakes her head.)

Piper: She's been there my whole life. I've always had a big sister. And I don't know how to live without one?

Leo: Piper… (He goes to touch her, but she pulls away.)

Piper: Why didn't you save her?

Leo: I tried.

Piper: But you didn't. Why didn't they let you save her, too?

Leo: The Elders? They couldn't. They don't have that kind of power.

Piper: Then what the hell good are they? (She gets up, walks away from him, and finds a Kleenex. Leo follows.)

Leo: It's okay to be angry…

Piper: I'm not angry. I am pissed off! Don't you understand? You healed the wrong sister! You saved me because I'm your damn wife, and you should've saved her because she was the best! Because she… you should… (She loses it again, overcome. Leo moves up behind her and this time, she lets him hold her.) Why do they put us through so much for it to end this way?

[Scene: Underworld. A darkly cloaked figure appears in front of a shadowy figure known as the Oracle.]

Oracle: May I be seen?

The Source: Have you found Belthazor?

Oracle: No, something else... (He considers that for a beat, then turns and waves his clawed hand at The Oracle. A creepy but sexy young woman, materializes from the depths, stroking her ever-present crystal ball.) Something more important, perhaps.

The Source: Nothing is more important.

Oracle: Not even The Charmed Ones?

The Source: The Charmed Ones are dead.

Oracle: Not all of them.

The Source: One gone ends the threat. Of course, if you had foreseen that a white-lighter was going to help Belthazor save his witch, they'd all be gone. Be grateful I don't turn you into a snake.

Oracle: Yes, but then how would you see into the future without me?

The Source: Without the Charmed Ones to worry about anymore, I may not need to.

Oracle: Mmm. Well, in that case, you'd better keep me around a little while longer. (The Source turns back to the Oracle as she looks into her crystal ball, sees whips of smoke forming inside.)

The Source: What do you see?

Oracle: I see - a witch's call on the spirit winds. I see... another.

So which parts of this did you *not* see?

[ebkool]

So I understand and have read all that has been written!

But still have so many questions about the final episode season 3 in which Prue dies!

Not only do they not show her death (in fact, it would apear that both Prue AND Piper die in the end), it does not explain how Pheboe and Cole escape from the underworld!

Yes in the first episode of season 4 they talk about it but it is still not fully clear as to how it all was played out!

Can someone explain these things?

[Assassin Witch]

ebkool said:

So I understand and have read all that has been written!

But still have so many questions about the final episode season 3 in which Prue dies!

Not only do they not show her death (in fact, it would apear that both Prue AND Piper die in the end), it does not explain how Pheboe and Cole escape from the underworld!

Yes in the first episode of season 4 they talk about it but it is still not fully clear as to how it all was played out!

Can someone explain these things?

Can't explain what they don't say. That was the whole point. Cliff hanger and a new beginning.

I guess Cole just got Phoebe out. *shrugs*

[whitelightertony]

Not only do they not show her death (in fact, it would apear that both Prue AND Piper die in the end), it does not explain how Pheboe and Cole escape from the underworld!

They really leave it up to the viewer to conclude how it happened.

What I believe probably happened is that Leo orbed down to the Underworld after he saw Piper dead in the hospital; he told Phoebe and Cole that Piper was dead, and Prue had gone mad with rage.

Phoebe and Cole agreed to accept The Source's offer (Phoebe would remain in the Underworld permanently, and Cole would return to work for The Source).

But Leo found a moment to take them aside and say to Phoebe and Cole: "Guys, we can't trust The Source. He'll kill you both, the first chance he gets. Once Tempus resets time, you two need to follow me back up to Earth."

Once Cole overhears The Source say "It is done" (when Tempus resets time), Leo grabs Phoebe's hand and orbs her back up to Earth. Cole shimmers after them, following behind.

Leo and Phoebe orb into the manor, and Cole shimmers in right behind them. Since he was unable to sense Prue and Piper in danger from Shax's attack, Leo is shocked to find Prue and Piper both lying on the manor floor, blood dripping from their bodies.

Phoebe cringes in horror, burying her face into Cole's arms. Leo kneels down and places one hand on Prue and the other hand on Piper, and tries to heal them both simultaneously. However, Prue is already dead, so Leo is unable to revive her. Piper is approaching death, so Leo is still able to heal her.

Piper awakens to find Phoebe and Cole back from the Underworld - - but her big sister dead.

And, since this version of Piper possesses no memories of the magical exposure from AHBL (or the events leading up to it), she is significantly shocked and all the more confused by Prue's death - - making the reality of Prue's death so senseless to Piper.

[MarAcev]

That is pretty much how I envision things happened.

[vandergraafk]

Well, technically, there is a major problem with resetting time in this fashion. If Leo and Phoebe remain in the Underworld, then they will be unaffected by the resetting of time, a point that Cole makes clear. However, Leo and Phoebe were participants in the events that are being reset. Thus, they should be present for the resetting. Indeed, Piper and Prue both assume that Phoebe is upstairs getting the power of three spell for the Shax vanquish since time was reset to that point. Second, if Leo and Phoebe are not returned, then they will remember all that had transpired before the reset of time occurred. In Charmed Again, we have no evidence that this was indeed the case.

What I imagine happened is that Leo and Phoebe were sent back to the surface. Time was reset. Then, just as the Seer yanked Cole to the Underworld in Charmed and Dangerous, the Source had Leo and Phoebe pulled down. However, the Source cannot detain magical creatures for even extended short periods. Time would have been of the essence and obviously, he hoped that his henchmen could dispose of Phoebe and perhaps Cole too in the short window of opportunity his ruse presented. Maybe a darklighter could have taken care of Leo.

The point is: Leo would have recognized the Source's ruse and orbed Phoebe to safety were they together. As Cole would not have trusted the Source either, he would have shimmered to safety shortly after the reset and taken Phoebe if she were near him. Neither Phoebe nor Leo would have known why they had been yanked to the Underworld, as their return to the world would have wiped their memories clean too.

Once returned to safety, Leo would have to then sense that Piper and Prue were in trouble. Again, it bears repeating that he would not have known this in advance. Alas, the wounds to Piper and Prue were severe. The brief detention of Leo and Phoebe in the Underworld was enough to allow nature to work its course and result in the loss of Prue's life. Piper was less severely wounded and Leo arrived just in time to save her.

[MarAcev]

In Charmed Again, we have no evidence that this was indeed the case.

I think it's pretty clear that they do remember what happened. Cole even mentions to Leo how he should be the one most interested in preventing exposure again, referencing Piper's death in the other timeline.

[whitelightertony]

However, Leo and Phoebe were participants in the events that are being reset. Thus, they should be present for the resetting. Indeed, Piper and Prue both assume that Phoebe is upstairs getting the power of three spell for the Shax vanquish since time was reset to that point.

I'd assume what happened was sort of similar to what happened in "Forever Charmed" - - Past Leo and Past Phoebe vanished from the reset past, and merged with their present-day selves down in the Underworld.

Second, if Leo and Phoebe are not returned, then they will remember all that had transpired before the reset of time occurred. In Charmed Again, we have no evidence that this was indeed the case.

Aside from what MarAcev pointed out, I think Leo and Phoebe do remember the events prior to the resetting of time - - except that Phoebe was down in the Underworld for a bulk of AHBL, so she didn't witness much of "all hell breaking loose" firsthand back up on Earth. Leo obviously witnessed and remembers it, and it was Piper's death that had the greatest effect on him personally.

Also, this would explain why Leo and Phoebe were much calmer than poor Piper, in the aftermath of Prue's death. Phoebe and Leo both had some memories of the chain of events that led to Prue's death. But Piper didn't remember anything from the alternate timeline of AHBL, making Prue's death absolutely senseless and bewildering to her.

[vandergraafk]

Interesting hypothesis. I'll concede the point with respect to Leo. He's dead after all. I have no idea how memory works for whitelighters. There still is no evidence that Phoebe has any idea. You're going way out on a limb to infer that Phoebe's calmer reaction suggests knowledge retention prior to time being reset.

The memory issue is a problem that needs to be addressed. I hope my scenario addresses this. It certainly attempts to work out the problems inherent in what some described before.

And, since I have absolutely NO IDEA where to place the following, I will include it here. Enjoy!

On Thursday, September 6, 2007, Gail Collins presented a column in the New York Times op ed page where she made reference to Charmed. Discussing the fate of Senator Larry Craig, the embattled Senator caught in an airport restroom sting when he displayed the standard code of behavior for the purpose of soliciting sex from strangers, Ms. Collins noted:

"This is not about entrapment or (heaven forbid) gay rights, or second chances. Craig is looking for a total do-over, one of those magic moments frequently seen on a cable television series, in which some unfortunate incident is erased from the memory of the entire world, and everything goes on exactly as it was before. The United States Senate as a 'Charmed' rerun."

[ljones]

Why is the Underworld regarded as an evil dimension? Isn't it simply supposed to be a region for those souls who had recently died?

[vandergraafk]

Not in Charmedverse. You might be thinking of limbo as described in Enter the Demon.

[ljones]

vandergraafk said:

Not in Charmedverse. You might be thinking of limbo as described in Enter the Demon.

I KNOW that the Underworld is not regarded as some dimension for the dead in Charmedverse. My question is . . . why didn't the writers consider this?

[whitelightertony]

There still is no evidence that Phoebe has any idea. You're going way out on a limb to infer that Phoebe's calmer reaction suggests knowledge retention prior to time being reset.

Why would Phoebe's limited memories of the AHBL timeline be erased?...she was in the Underworld when time was reset.

[vandergraafk]

You obviously missed my point. She cannot have remained in the Underworld during the reset of time. Her memories must equally be erased. Placing her (and Leo) back in the real world (briefly) allows her memory to be erased. Summoning her back to the Underworld for detention allows Shax to wreak his destruction on the Charmed Two and Griffiths.

[Assassin Witch]

vandergraafk said:

You obviously missed my point. She cannot have remained in the Underworld during the reset of time. Her memories must equally be erased. Placing her (and Leo) back in the real world (briefly) allows her memory to be erased. Summoning her back to the Underworld for detention allows Shax to wreak his destruction on the Charmed Two and Griffiths.

I've read your post, but that doesn't fully make sense. How in the world (or Underworld), could they have summoned a Charmed One to them? That doesn't make any sense.

The problem comes in later seasons when time travel gets involved and they talk about catching up with themselves.........