charmed movie??

[christopher_panic!!]

good idea, but I don't think it's gonna happen

[spiritsas]

I wouldn't want it to cover that much time as it would leave little for any sequels. I agree, picking up soon after the Christy Bar B Q, the movie could go in any number of directions. Paige is continuing her WL duties, so there are still demons in the picture, but both Phoebe and Piper have finally gotten what they want, which was to follow normal lives while following their dreams. That part would only work for a short time as any movie based on Charmed has to have lots of action.

Perhaps it would be better to pick things up some years down the road, when the kids are getting a bit older and taking on demons of their own. Either that or we have to jump to the adult Wyatt and Chris time, where we've already been told that they have picked up the demon hunting mantle.

Whichever way it would go, it would need some other "hook" or new idea to bring people in.

[whitelightertony]

What Victor hates Sam issue? Victor seems beyond all of that pettiness. He really doesn't even have an issue with Grams, who was after all instrumental in driving Victor away in the first place.

Well, the last time Victor and Sam saw each other was back in the 1970s, around the time of Victor and Patty's divorce. So I'd bet there is some unresolved anger there, at least from Victor's perspective. On some level, Victor probably blames Sam for the divorce, and since Victor and Sam never got to talk things out I'm sure Victor still has some bad blood toward Sam.

Grams, on the other hand, is a different story. I certainly believe that Victor held Grams in contempt for many years (blaming her at least in part for his estranged relationship with his daughters). But, although Penny and Victor aren't the best of friends, the tension between them has had time to dissipate, especially with Victor back in Piper's and Phoebe's lives.

If anything, Patty taking Victor's side against Penny in "Cheaper By The Coven" probably allowed Victor to let go of at least a large portion of the hostility he harbored toward Penny.

[charmedgurl21]

ture that ...i think should should of been a movie b4 they took the it off !!!

[charmedgurl21]

yea they should, that would be awsome!!

[spiritsas]

W-Tony: I see the points you're making and they sound fine. However, that would only be a side plot to a larger storyline for the movie, which is where I gather you're heading with the Sam/Victor interaction. It's definitely a loose end but, as in real life, there are always lots of loose ends with people from our past.

We still need a good storyline, that's focused, and appealing, for the main plot.

[whitelightertony]

W-Tony: I see the points you're making and they sound fine. However, that would only be a side plot to a larger storyline for the movie, which is where I gather you're heading with the Sam/Victor interaction.

Well, I wasn't necessarily suggesting it would have to be resolved in a movie...I was just kind of mourning how the writers never bothered to tie it up near the end of Season 8.

They could easily have brought Scott Jaeck and James Read back for the same episode...I doubt those actors were in high demand elsewhere.

[vandergraafk]

Well, in Forever Charmed, Victor certainly hinted that he had gotten over the fact that Patty was no longer in his life. Whether this was because he and Grams had reconciled ever so slightly (though I doubt this since Grams was given to hissy fits as seen in Cheaper by the Coven). I never detected much tension between Victor and Sam. When did they ever meet? Victor was not in P3H20. Neither was Victor in Sam I Am nor Last Picture Show. Can we infer a bit of hostility? Perhaps. But, as someone noted above, this is a side issue.

[whitelightertony]

Well, in Forever Charmed, Victor certainly hinted that he had gotten over the fact that Patty was no longer in his life.

I think Victor meant that he had forgiven Patty for moving on with her own love life. I'm sure that back in the late-1970s, when Victor found out that Patty had shacked up with her whitelighter so soon after their divorce, he was extremely jealous and hostile toward both of them (although he may have held Sam more responsible than Patty, rationalizing that Sam "seduced" his wife away from him - - this would explain Victor's hatred toward whitelighters, as Leo encountered from Victor in Season 3).

However, keep in mind that Victor had contact with Patty on several occasions even after her death. By contrast, Victor most likely hasn't seen Sam since the mid-to-late-1970s, so Victor has never gotten any direct face-to-face closure with his ex-wife's lover.

Whether this was because he and Grams had reconciled ever so slightly (though I doubt this since Grams was given to hissy fits as seen in Cheaper by the Coven).

I think Victor's relationship to Penny had its own totally separate dynamic.

I never detected much tension between Victor and Sam. When did they ever meet? Victor was not in P3H20. Neither was Victor in Sam I Am nor Last Picture Show. Can we infer a bit of hostility? Perhaps. But, as someone noted above, this is a side issue.

Just because Sam and Victor never appeared in the same episode together doesn't mean they never met.

Sam was Patty's whitelighter, and Victor knew about Patty's identity as a witch. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that Victor encountered Sam quite often (by virtue of Sam being in Patty's semi-daily life)...and Victor probably picked up on the flirtation and romantic sparks that would have existed between Patty and Sam. This must have led to a great degree of tension between Victor and Sam (sort of parallel to the Leo/Dan rivalry in Season 2).

The reason Victor wasn't in "P3H20" was because the flashbacks took place after Patty and Victor's divorce was final, so Sam was probably out of town on the day Patty died.

Obviously, Victor no longer has such generalized dislike of ALL whitelighters...Paige is half-whitelighter, and Victor has seen firsthand how his daughters' reunion with Paige brought the Halliwell family back together. Victor pretty much worked out all of his issues with Leo (although since Leo is mortal now, the whole matter is moot).

And Victor's own grandsons -- Wyatt and Chris -- are half-whitelighters, and Victor loves them to death! So I think any ill feelings that Victor has toward Sam (and I imagine he still has them) are due to the fact that he views Sam as a catalyst for the breakup of his marriage with Patty.

[spiritsas]

W-tony: Extremely well put, well thought out, and completely logical and probable. Fills in a lot of probable background. I'm in agreement 100% with what you've written.

[nicolaspells]

All the films at the moment are doing prequels, I like this idea because they could start with Grams, and see what she was really like and meet all 4 of her husbands properly and stuff. Carry it on to Patty growing up and then see her have the girls & Paige etc and her relationship with both Victor & Sam. Finishing with the charmed ones as little girls and Patty dying etc...

[spiritsas]

nicolaspells: A facinating thought. It relieves the producers of trying to get any of the original actors, with a few exceptions. Lessor known actors, who played demons and other magical creatures, could be part of it, shaping the history of TCOs.

[nicolaspells]

Exactly, and if the film did do well, all the orginal actors might want to do another one so we will all round!!

[spiritsas]

Movie concepts have been knocked around the threads for a while now. I should know as I've done a lot of the knocking. The issue is that these things don't just happen. The concept needs a champion (a producer or several), who begin to turn an idea into a real concept, and then get someone to do a sceen play or story. Then actors and a director is lined up and, with enough money and a studio to back you (even a small one), you can start the process. Those are the easy parts. Somewhere in there you need a script, sets, production crews, etc. You need to negotiate with agents and such. And this is just what I know from watching movies and listening to directors, actors, and others in the business during interviews about the making of movies.
Perhaps a Brad Kern-like person will pick up the idea and run with it. However, unlike actors and directors, those who get the ball rolling on such matters are now well known to the general public, with few exceptions, like those directors who create their own movie ideas, like Spielberg, Lucas, etc.

[stephanie87]

that would be a really good idea, there are so many fans out here!

[spiritsas]

Right. Now, all we need is for some studio to take notice and buy into a concept. The supernatural and other genre, like Vampires and Wicca, have got to be one of the fastest growing concepts for movies these days. Premonition just came out, and did very well against the blockbuster 300, in its first weekend. Ironically, it stars Julian McMahon (Cole). I wonder how odd or familia it felt playing a character in a movie with such an obvious tie to his love interest's power on Charmed?

[chrmd4life]

spiritkas said:

Ironically, it stars Julian McMahon (Cole). I wonder how odd or familia it felt playing a character in a movie with such an obvious tie to his love interest's power on Charmed?

I was sort of wondering the samething. I also thought it funny that he was cast in such a part. First thing that came to my mind was that JM was being type-cast because of his work with CHARMED. Then I changed my mind.

[spiritsas]

There are some interviews with the cast (it was some link off of the weather.com home page, where the director and both main actors are asked a series of questions about how they feel about the movie and such. They were all asked if they ever get premonitions themselves and JM's response was simply "No No"

In none of the replies was there mention on his role on Charmed, but his current and recent roles as Dr. Doom and on Nip/Tuck were given some mention.

Sandra Bullock, on the other hand, does not like being asked about her SF/supernatural movies, of which she points out there are three. One about her being a witch, another about time travel (The Lake House), and this one. Each, she says, is very distinct for her in her mind and not really related.

[sanne]

it sounds like a good idee but i think tath it is never going to happen

[Winchester Witch]

That's an interesting idea. Get all four sisters in there, since Paige never really got a chance to get to know her oldest sis.