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Post by ljones on Dec 11, 2007 0:50:04 GMT -5
No, it doesn't. A witch is supposed to be the equivalent of a priest or priestess. Even the show made this clear with Grams marrying Piper and Leo or Paige blessing water to make it holy in a S6 episode. And like all witches (or priests and priestesses) one has to be ordained to become one. In reality, the Charmed Ones are nothing more than sorceresses. Magic practitioners. Unless you count Paige creating holy water or helping Kyle Brody deal with the death of his parents. Ok understanding a little more now, I can see where you are coming from but then why are they born with powers instead of having them given to them when the time is appropriate? Why are you asking me that? They were born with powers. Like I said, that doesn't automatically made them witches. Their powers alone made them sorceresses. Magic practitioners. They would have to be ordained like other Pagan priests and priestesses to become witches. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 11, 2007 1:30:03 GMT -5
Ok understanding a little more now, I can see where you are coming from but then why are they born with powers instead of having them given to them when the time is appropriate? Why are you asking me that? They were born with powers. Like I said, that doesn't automatically made them witches. Their powers alone made them sorceresses. Magic practitioners. They would have to be ordained like other Pagan priests and priestesses to become witches. Oh ok I see. Sorry I don't know about Priesthood just what they do, not how they become one. And what's Pagan mean? |
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Post by ljones on Dec 11, 2007 12:54:34 GMT -5
Pagan is a description of many religions that had existed before the arrival of the Judeo-Christianity religions. Present-day Wicca is based upon the pagan religions that had existed in the British Isles before Christianity.
And Pagan (or Wiccan) priests and priestess more or less act in the same capacity as priests, ministers, rabbis, etc.
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 11, 2007 16:03:39 GMT -5
Pagan is a description of many religions that had existed before the arrival of the Judeo-Christianity religions. Present-day Wicca is based upon the pagan religions that had existed in the British Isles before Christianity.And Pagan (or Wiccan) priests and priestess more or less act in the same capacity as priests, ministers, rabbis, etc. Oh I see what you are saying now, they(the girls) were just magical little girls until they were made witches which is status needed to fight evil. Hence both Wyatt's and Chris's wiccanings being shown. |
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Post by ljones on Dec 11, 2007 21:18:30 GMT -5
No. The sisters didn't need the status of a witch to fight evil. Being a witch is not about fighting evil in the form of demons, warlocks, etc. A witch is about being a priest or priestess. Or a minister. Or a rabbi.
The sisters - at least in my eyes - are nothing more than demon hunters with the ability to practice sorcerery (aka magic).
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 12, 2007 0:29:30 GMT -5
No. The sisters didn't need the status of a witch to fight evil. Being a witch is not about fighting evil in the form of demons, warlocks, etc. A witch is about being a priest or priestess. Or a minister. Or a rabbi. The sisters - at least in my eyes - are nothing more than demon hunters with the ability to practice sorcerery (aka magic). Oh ok, gotcha. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Dec 12, 2007 5:35:16 GMT -5
So if the Charmed Ones weren't initiated as witches, then what exactly happened to them when Phoebe recited the spell in "Something Wicca This Way Comes"?
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Post by piper123 on Dec 12, 2007 12:02:04 GMT -5
I completley see where you are coming from in terms of neopaganism wicca... But in terms of charmed it is the other way round anyone can be a practioner but you have to be born with magical powers to be a witch. Also yeh priestesses understandable but rahbis are not witches their religion does not heve them practising msgic.
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 12, 2007 12:19:50 GMT -5
I completley see where you are coming from in terms of neopaganism wicca... But in terms of charmed it is the other way round anyone can be a practioner but you have to be born with magical powers to be a witch. Also yeh priestesses understandable but rahbis are not witches their religion does not heve them practising msgic. I think thats right. While I completely see where you are coming from ljones at least now after having it explained a million times hehe; I think in terms of the show the girls are considered witches, they are referenced as such many times throughout the series. Plus I saw this little behind the scenes show on Youtube called The Women of Charmed and someone, I forget who but someone on crew said during a moment while it was being talked about that the girls are still human despite having magic; that the show is great because and I quote "They're not witches that happen to be sisters they are sisters that happen to be witches."So the crew themselves consider them witches. So I don't think the show follows your little rule/belief while it is an excellent thought. |
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Post by ljones on Dec 12, 2007 15:16:43 GMT -5
Yes, they are human. Being a magic practitioner doesn't mean that one isn't human or that one is an immortal. Don't forget that the sisters use other sentient forms - whether they are other animals, plants and the elements that are common here on earth - for magical spells. That means that sources of magic can be found in all forms of nature . . . including humans.
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 12, 2007 16:48:59 GMT -5
Umm you completely missed the point of my post, you are looking at the wrong thing. I was saying that I think she show considers them witches despite that you make good points.
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Post by claygee on Dec 12, 2007 18:37:11 GMT -5
Reading the previous posts on this thread I have been trying to think about whether the girls should be considered sister first and witches later.
if the powers passed to the Halliwell sisters from their mother's DNA then they were witches when they were born. But for them being sisters is a very important thing as their power is rooted in the fact that they are sisters.
On the other hand, maybe they should be considered witches, once they have received their powers or "ordained" as witches
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 12, 2007 21:18:22 GMT -5
Reading the previous posts on this thread I have been trying to think about whether the girls should be considered sister first and witches later. if the powers passed to the Halliwell sisters from their mother's DNA then they were witches when they were born. But for them being sisters is a very important thing as their power is rooted in the fact that they are sisters. On the other hand, maybe they should be considered witches, once they have received their powers or "ordained" as witches They are sister Witches. |
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