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Post by EmCeeMike on Jan 4, 2008 8:05:22 GMT -5
Im not sure if anyone has asked either of these questions or noticed either of these things or not but no one around where i live really watches Charmed so i figured i might as well ask on here and see if anyone can tell me.
1. After Prue dies is when the Charmed ones actualy try to kill The Source and something i never got was they killed The Source with The Hallow and a spell that Pheobe wrote but in episodes after that such as "Oh My Goddess!" Paige sais that she made poitons that were stronger than the ones that they used on The Source. In "Desperate Housewitches" the episode where Wyatt is kidnapped to bring back The Source when they first find out that Magic School has been takin over by demons. They arrive at the school and they see all the demons and Paige sais something like we dont have any poitions what are we gona do. Piper sais something like we dont need any poitions and Paige replys with well how did u guys kill him last time. What i dont get is why she would be asking that question when she was there and she wasent only there she helped by reading the spell.
2. I forgot what episode it is but Cole gets an Alchomist to make the vanquishing potion they were gona use on him useless and all of thier magic as well but when they summon him and try it, it dosent work and Piper is just kinda standing there like why didnt this work. If he did that then that potion should never be able to kill him because he made it that way or rather the alchamist made it that way but after Cole becomes an Avatar and goes back to time to try and make him and Pheobe work again he isnt invincable anymore since he went back in time but he went back to just after Prue died so shouldnt that mean that the vanqushing potion shouldnt have worked on him in that episode since that was after he had met with the alchamist. Ragardless of him going back in time because that event still happened since he didnt go back that far.
So if anyone can give me an explanation to either or both of these things that have been bothering me for some time that would be great thank you.
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Post by whitelightertony on Jan 4, 2008 15:39:01 GMT -5
I think Paige meant that her new potions were stronger than the ones that they tried to brew to fight The Source, but never actually ended up using.
It's basically Kern's fault for not correcting that misspeak in the script before the scene was filmed. In fact, to this day I'm still baffled as to how Holly, Rose, and Alyssa could have overlooked that detail when they were reading the script. The only thing I can think of is that whoever wrote the episode meant to have Paige say, "How did we do it the last time?" but the line got botched up due to incompetance.
If the original episode you're referring to (where the alchemist originally brewed the potion) happened in Season 5, Cole would have been indestructible after coming back from the Demonic Wasteland.
In "Centennial Charmed," when Avatar Cole changed history and reinserted himself into that world, he assumed the body of Belthazar.
Belthazar was significantly weaker than Cole from S5 - - so, assuming the alchemist brewed the potion in S5, that's why it would have worked on Cole in "Centennial Charmed."
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Post by EmCeeMike on Jan 4, 2008 17:30:40 GMT -5
The episode that im talking about is the episode where Pheobe turns into a banshee and they summon Cole because they think he can help save Pheobe but before they summon him the alchemist cuts Cole and does something to his blood to make him amune to thier magic and potions and this was well before season 5 this was while Prue was still in the series.
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Post by whitelightertony on Jan 5, 2008 17:44:14 GMT -5
Ah, I understand now. The episode you're thinking of was "Look Who's Barking" in Season 3.
The only explanation I can think of is that maybe Cole's blood lost its toxicity/immunity over time.
Also, perhaps, since the Power of Three was reconstituted (with Paige) in "Charmed Again - Part 1" (and essentially in "Centennial Charmed"), it was sort of like hitting the "Restart" button in terms of whether Cole's blood would still protect him from Charmed magic?
However, since the alternate reality shown in "Centennial Charmed" was a product of Avatar Cole's imagination, perhaps he forgot what the alchemist had done to him in Season 3, and therefore the identity he assumed in the alternate world didn't have that immunity from the Charmed Ones' magic?
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 5, 2008 18:09:12 GMT -5
Ah, I understand now. The episode you're thinking of was "Look Who's Barking" in Season 3. The only explanation I can think of is that maybe Cole's blood lost its toxicity/immunity over time. Also, perhaps, since the Power of Three was reconstituted (with Paige) in "Charmed Again - Part 1" (and essentially in "Centennial Charmed"), it was sort of like hitting the "Restart" button in terms of whether Cole's blood would still protect him from Charmed magic? However, since the alternate reality shown in "Centennial Charmed" was a product of Avatar Cole's imagination, perhaps he forgot what the alchemist had done to him in Season 3, and therefore the identity he assumed in the alternate world didn't have that immunity from the Charmed Ones' magic? The reason that potion didn't work on him in Look Who's Barking was because it was made up of his blood before the alchemist had worked his mojo on it. In order for it to work on him again, they would need to remake the potion with with his blood afterward. Which is exactly what happened in Centenial Charmed. The ingredients were still the same, they just had to get his currently manipulated blood for it to work. |
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Post by EmCeeMike on Jan 5, 2008 18:29:33 GMT -5
Hmm yeh i guess that makes sense.  |
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Post by spiritsas on Jan 7, 2008 9:05:51 GMT -5
Don't know if this falls into this same category for you, but for me I never understood why the three most important witches were never assigned another whitelighter after Leo clipped his own wings or even after they came of hiding in S8.
Given the budget, the real reason must have been lack of $ to bring on a new regular. Still it caused them to deal with real wounds and bandages because no one was around to heal them. Not sure if Paige counts here.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jan 7, 2008 11:14:45 GMT -5
Two possible responses can be offered. First, like familiars, witches are not entitled to full-time whitelighters. Second, once Paige acquires the ability to heal, why would the Charmed Ones need a whitelighter?
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Post by ljones on Jan 7, 2008 12:55:35 GMT -5
I don't think that any witch needed a whitelighter in the first place. The only thing that whitelighters seemed to be good for are healing them if they are injured. If they needed guidance, they could have turned to a more matured witch who has been around. Some might say that after their experiences with Gail, they would have a reason to avoid this. But Gail was one witch. Just because she had tried to steal their powers for her own gain, did not mean that every witch the sisters encounter would do the same.
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Post by ljones on Jan 7, 2008 12:57:45 GMT -5
Even if the sisters had managed to get a piece of Cole's flesh after the blood had been altered by the alchemist, the vanquishing spell in "Centennial Charmed" SHOULD NOT HAVE WORKED. The alchemist had specifically altered Cole's blood so that the spell would not have worked . . . regardless.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 7, 2008 14:51:35 GMT -5
Don't know if this falls into this same category for you, but for me I never understood why the three most important witches were never assigned another whitelighter after Leo clipped his own wings or even after they came of hiding in S8. Given the budget, the real reason must have been lack of $ to bring on a new regular. Still it caused them to deal with real wounds and bandages because no one was around to heal them. Not sure if Paige counts here. My reaction to this has always been that since by this point the sisters had misused their powers so much and had ignored the Elders' warnings and advice so much that they no longer deserved to have a guide. With the way the sisters took the Avatars' side and Zankou's side, I'm sure the Elders felt that the sisters had turned their backs on them as much as Leo had, so why reward them by giving them a new guide? Since Leo was mainly supposed to be their *guide*, their messenger from the Elders, with healing and taxi-cabbing just as side benefits, the way the sisters turned their backs on the Elders definitely meant that the Elders wouldn't assign them a new whitelighter. If anything, they tried to break up the Charmed Ones by turning Paige into a full-time whitelighter to others besides the Charmed Ones, rather than a full-time witch. |
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Jan 7, 2008 14:55:29 GMT -5
I don't think the girls "deserved" a new whitelighter either. They would just treat him (or maybe her) just the way they tended to treat Chris (before they knew he was Piper/Leo's son) and even many times Leo. A new whitelighter would have just been a silly way to spend budget money (IMO)
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 7, 2008 15:31:50 GMT -5
Even if the sisters had managed to get a piece of Cole's flesh after the blood had been altered by the alchemist, the vanquishing spell in "Centennial Charmed" SHOULD NOT HAVE WORKED. The alchemist had specifically altered Cole's blood so that the spell would not have worked . . . regardless. No he didn't He altered it so that the potion they already had wouldn't work. The same potion worked on Sykes. Transmuning his blood didn't change the type of demon he was and the type of potion that would be needed to vanquish him. The Belthazor summoning spell still worked, but they would just have had to get a new piece of Belthazor flesh, which they did in Centenial Charmed but not in Look Who's Barking, to vanquish him. |
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Post by EmCeeMike on Jan 7, 2008 18:03:23 GMT -5
Honestly i think they didnt give them a new whightlighter because if you think about it they still had Leo and he knew almost everything there was to know and if he wanted he could still call an Elder down to ask for information he did that a couple times. Paige was the one that would do the healing so there was not really a need for a new whightlighter. They already had one they had Leos brains and Paiges powers.
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Post by mikechase15 on Jan 13, 2008 1:26:16 GMT -5
Okay...this has been driving me well not crazy but its always been on my mind. you know the episode where they get there magic exposed on tape and the cleaners turn it around so it looks like Darlyn killed the Bad guys? and they go up to the ppl with the Huge glowing flowting heads in i think season 6 so that they can free darlyn and the Deman of fear is the... well i guess "lawyer" against them? well Phobe lost all her active powers and after that. how come she only got her power of preminition back? or so it seems. but she never levitated or empathed some one again and they stoped talking about that to after a while. and there were plenty of times when her powers would have to come in handing in the future.So did she ever get her active powers back? and its weriod that she just sort of let it go after (in the first 3 seasons)3 years of wanting active powers.
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Post by ArchAngel on Jan 21, 2008 22:17:10 GMT -5
Im not sure if anyone has asked either of these questions or noticed either of these things or not but no one around where i live really watches Charmed so i figured i might as well ask on here and see if anyone can tell me. 1. After Prue dies is when the Charmed ones actualy try to kill The Source and something i never got was they killed The Source with The Hallow and a spell that Pheobe wrote but in episodes after that such as "Oh My Goddess!" Paige sais that she made poitons that were stronger than the ones that they used on The Source. She did make potions but they were wasted in the battle and if Cole hadn't save them they would have been dead They were being sarcastic with each other while they are panicking, though many think it's a "inconsistency" cause in reality Cole and the Hallow did most of the work with the girls 2 powers down and 1 severly injured. Laugh, it was a joke. but understand that without Cole and the Hallow helping them in their weakened State they would have died. in the "Seer's vision" they set a trap, trough potions and chanted a spell, but the source actually killed hinself by trying to throw a Fireball to get them break out of the Force field which made their lives easier even in that vision (They didn't really kill the Source, he accidently killed himself) it's a "andidote potion' where they take a piece of his flesh to make the potion leathal to him....If you put Titan Flesh or Elder flesh in it you can vanquish a Titan or Elder, let alone a demon/Avatar....lol Also he told the Avatar what he was up to so I am suspisious that they didn't set up that reality to contain him and brought Paige through to slay him with the intent of taking his hundres of demon powers for thier own (thus the Dramatic and prolonged death instead of just being snuffed out) and their apparrently not being weakened by his loss when they reapear. Also, he is thrown back into the Wasteland where he can just collect more demon powers and escape so....that's why he is still around but less Phycho about being with Phoebe cause he realized she doesn't want him anymore |
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Post by ljones on Jan 22, 2008 1:47:31 GMT -5
If one really wanted to punish the sisters, then they would be forced to accept a whitelighter.
However, there is one thing I do not get. Was the show trying to say that a witch had no choice but to accept a whitelighter as his/her guide, regardless of whether he/she wanted one?
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Post by vandergraafk on Jan 22, 2008 18:38:52 GMT -5
Apparently not. Mitchell had gone through several whitelighters before grudgingly accepting Paige.
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Post by whitelightertony on Jan 27, 2008 16:51:14 GMT -5
Phoebe's powers were cut for budget reasons (although how it could possibly cost them that much to do Phoebe's little empathy chime sound effect, I have no idea).
In the storyline, it was implied that Phoebe earned her premonition power (partially) back in S7's "Styx Feet Under," when she showed selflessness.
So it can be assumed that Phoebe earns back her empathy and levitation powers at later points in time down the road, when she similarly displays other selfless acts.
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Post by EmCeeMike on Jan 31, 2008 2:40:53 GMT -5
Also he told the Avatar what he was up to so I am suspisious that they didn't set up that reality to contain him and brought Paige through to slay him with the intent of taking his hundres of demon powers for thier own (thus the Dramatic and prolonged death instead of just being snuffed out) and their apparrently not being weakened by his loss when they reappear. You can't be sure that they weren't weekend by his loss, i mean they didn't reappear in the show for almost a season and a half after that episode. |
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