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Post by EmCeeMike on Jan 17, 2008 19:10:48 GMT -5
Who's son do you think would have been more powerful. Don't use good or evil to choose just who you think would have had more power.
Piper and Leo's first born son, Wyatt.
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Phoebe and Coles son (while Cole was The Source).
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Post by ArchAngel on Jan 19, 2008 5:07:47 GMT -5
Who's son do you think would have been more powerful. Don't use good or evil to choose just who you think would have had more power. Piper and Leo's first born son, Wyatt. or Phoebe and Coles son (while Cole was The Source). The Source Essence used the baby to be "reborn"after jumping out of Cole at the point of his descruction....Wyatt would be no match for something that it took the girls 4 times to vanquish permanently (and still can be Re summoned as we later found out) I am sure once Wyatt is killed he wouldn't be able to re spawn or be resurrection as many times as the Source was. But it is a moot point as with the Destruction of the Nexus the girls aren't Charmed any more and Wyatt, while still powerful as he is a Male Witch with reality altering powers, is no longer "Twice Blessed" (That White thing that comes out of the Chandelier was part of the Nexus) |
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Post by ljones on Jan 19, 2008 13:33:41 GMT -5
It was not the Source's essence that made that baby powerful or evil. It was the potion created by the Seer to exaggerate the baby's darker nature. Such a potion could have been used on anyone. As for the baby's power . . . it came from being the offspring of a Charmed One and a powerful half-demon like Cole. Even if Cole's powers had not been stripped from him, any child of his and Phoebe's would be very powerful.
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 19, 2008 15:05:32 GMT -5
It was not the Source's essence that made that baby powerful or evil. It was the potion created by the Seer to exaggerate the baby's darker nature. Such a potion could have been used on anyone. As for the baby's power . . . it came from being the offspring of a Charmed One and a powerful half-demon like Cole. Even if Cole's powers had not been stripped from him, any child of his and Phoebe's would be very powerful. Yeah I agree with this. Plus the seer did see in her vision Cole and Phoebe having the world's most powerful child. I also agree with Archangel about the essence of something that it took even the Charmed Ones four times to permanently vanquish. I don't even see what made Wyatt so special except maybe that Piper had eaten the Seer's contaminated chocolates before Phoebe did. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jan 19, 2008 17:43:22 GMT -5
I don't even see what made Wyatt so special except maybe that Piper had eaten the Seer's contaminated chocolates before Phoebe did. OMG, please no. Never, ever mention the chocolates. *runs away screaming, then comes back* The chocolates only made the eater in the mood for sex. Also, timeline doesn't fit. They did no conceive Wyatt that day. I'm with ljones - Warren line and Belthazor are what make the child powerful. Cole was a very powerful demon, so their son would have been powerful, too. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 19, 2008 20:17:35 GMT -5
I don't even see what made Wyatt so special except maybe that Piper had eaten the Seer's contaminated chocolates before Phoebe did. OMG, please no. Never, ever mention the chocolates. *runs away screaming, then comes back* The chocolates only made the eater in the mood for sex. Also, timeline doesn't fit. They did no conceive Wyatt that day. I'm with ljones - Warren line and Belthazor are what make the child powerful. Cole was a very powerful demon, so their son would have been powerful, too. OK thanks, remember I suffer from lost memories syndrome. I have not seen the most of the Wyatt seasons for ages. I simply did not remember that. So then what made Wyatt so special? Paige is the same as him and she was not considered "special". |
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Post by ljones on Jan 19, 2008 21:19:48 GMT -5
Considering that it was impossible for the child to be the Source's child, I don't see how the kid automatically became the next Source upon Cole/the Source's death. After all, the child was really Cole's heir. And Cole was nothing more than an involuntary vessel for the Soruce's essence.
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 19, 2008 23:16:51 GMT -5
Considering that it was impossible for the child to be the Source's child, I don't see how the kid automatically became the next Source upon Cole/the Source's death. After all, the child was really Cole's heir. And Cole was nothing more than an involuntary vessel for the Soruce's essence. Yeah that's true. Cole never wanted the role of the Source he in fact rejected it like three times. The source in the end ended up possessing him. But he did take the source oath at the end of We're Off to See the Wizard, so he was in fact the real source. |
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 21, 2008 16:25:14 GMT -5
So then what made Wyatt so special? Paige is the same as him and she was not considered "special". Paige was the product of a witch and a whitelighter. Wyatt was a product of the most powerful Charmed One (after Prue) and a whitelighter. Plus, Wyatt was Prophecized about. The Elder's even foresaw his birth and what the joining of Piper and Leo would create in a child. He was also the first born, which we all know, the first born is the most powerful. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Jan 27, 2008 16:42:34 GMT -5
Also, Wyatt was born during the Aurora Borealis.
I think Wyatt and Phoebe's/TheSource's son probably would have neutralized each other (much like the Charmed Ones and their evil alternate selves did in "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World").
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 27, 2008 16:48:19 GMT -5
So then what made Wyatt so special? Paige is the same as him and she was not considered "special". Paige was the product of a witch and a whitelighter. Wyatt was a product of the most powerful Charmed One (after Prue) and a whitelighter. Plus, Wyatt was Prophecized about. The Elder's even foresaw his birth and what the joining of Piper and Leo would create in a child. He was also the first born, which we all know, the first born is the most powerful. Hmm, ok. Sorry I just never really liked Wyatt I would have preferred them with Malinda from Morality Bites. |
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Jan 27, 2008 18:20:38 GMT -5
I like that idea. I had never thought of that before and it seems logical. I like it! |
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Post by EmCeeMike on Jan 28, 2008 4:38:53 GMT -5
Something i just realized is that Wyatt was the product of Piper and Leo when he was a white lighter but Chris was the product of Piper and Leo when Leo was a Elder and even tho Wyatt was the first born and therefor the most powerful shouldn't Chris have been a very power child also since he was technically half witch/elder.
And when Chris made Leo Turn into an Elder to make room for him as The Charmed ones whitelighter shouldnt that have changed Chris' entire future on the spot since in his future Leo never became an Elder since he never came back from the future.
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Post by ljones on Jan 28, 2008 12:29:14 GMT -5
The Source had taken complete control after Phoebe stopped Cole from giving the Source's powers to the wizard. It was still the Source in Cole's body taking the oath, not Cole.
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Post by whitelightertony on Feb 1, 2008 23:32:18 GMT -5
Leo and Piper were on the ghostly plane when Chris was conceived, and both of them were powerless. So that might have diluted the potency of Chris's magical genetics.
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Post by ljones on Feb 1, 2008 23:40:33 GMT -5
I like that idea. I had never thought of that before and it seems logical. I like it! That kid was Phoebe and Cole's son. It was Phoebe's egg and Cole's sperm count that conceived that kid. Just because the Source was in possession of Cole's body, DID NOT make him the father of that child. Even when the Seer told the Source that Phoebe would have a powerful child of good . . . she made it perfectly clear that the child would be Phoebe and Cole's. Only by maintaining possession of Cole's body and rearing that child, could the Source consider that child his. That child was not automatically evil. The Source fed Phoebe a potion that allowed the child's darker nature to dominate both him and Phoebe. That is because the child had both good and evil within him . . . JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER SENTIENT BEING. Wyatt was the same. So was Chris. So was Cole. So was Leo. And so were the Charmed Ones. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Feb 2, 2008 0:01:07 GMT -5
Phoebe's son might not have been automatically evil, but he would have inherited magic and powers from The Source's essence, as well as from Phoebe.
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Post by ljones on Feb 2, 2008 5:15:43 GMT -5
Phoebe's son might not have been automatically evil, but he would have inherited magic and powers from The Source's essence, as well as from Phoebe. Exactly how? The only way that kid could have inherited the Source's powers was through Cole. And that is because Cole had taken the Source's powers before the the Halliwells killed the latter and before Cole became possessed. I find it impossible that the child could have inherited the powers simply through the Source's essence. And yet, even after inheriting the Source's powers through Cole, the child still had the potential to become a powerful force of good - at least according to the Seer. Which only makes me wonder if the Source's powers were ever good or evil. Perhaps he was simply powerful and had chosen a path of evil. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Feb 3, 2008 17:11:17 GMT -5
The point is, Cole's body was now a vessel through which The Source's powers were being exerted...as was the case when their son was conceived. He may have been biologically Cole's, but the magic now running through Cole's blood still would have been passed down through him.
And yes, I agree that their son would have had the potential to do good in the world...since his magic would have been a mix of Warren magic and The Source's magic, he could have gone either way.
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Post by ljones on Feb 4, 2008 22:48:23 GMT -5
The child didn't need Warren blood to have the potential to be good. This whole witch=good powers and demon=evil powers is nothing more than Bull!. Even the show had Piper saying that a being's morality had more to do with choices, instead of magic . . . in at least two episodes. And she's right.
I don't care if that kid only had the Source's powers (via Cole). He still would have possess the potential to choose good over evil.
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