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Post by dylan345 on Sept 18, 2009 16:05:39 GMT -5
When Piper's kids were born, I liked the storylines around them, and I liked seeing them, but when there are no more new episodes being made and all we have are reruns, I wish they hadn't been brought into it. They really stole the focus of the show off the sisters in the entire second half of the series. I always wanted to watch the show because of the sisters, and not their children. I mean, it was cute once when Piper stayed up all night making Wyatt's little pumpkin costume for his school play, but that isn't something I want to go back and watch again. I feel like they messed up with the kids because so many little storylines like that one, and then the bigger ones of course, took over the show. I would have prefered if they had given us the full series without kids, and then if they really wanted to write the kids in, shown us a future glimpse like in Forever Charmed about children.
Thoughts?
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Post by Assassin Witch on Sept 18, 2009 17:10:34 GMT -5
They could have EASILY worked around the kids, but Kern and Co. decided to center around the kids, and that's the problem. Though, even in S4, it wasn't about the sisters anymore. It was three witches.
That's why I love S1-3. It was about three sisters who happen to be witches. It clearly changed in S4+.
The ages of the girls, I think it would've been a stretch to not see at least one child, especially from Piper, who had a husband and began wanting a family of her own. But what they did with Wyatt in S5 was too much.
The mistake was making Wyatt uber powerful, hell, even making the child a boy.
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Post by marienomad on Sept 18, 2009 17:43:49 GMT -5
Well, in Season Eight, they ignored the kids, especially Chris.
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 18, 2009 18:22:42 GMT -5
But then in season eight it was about Billie and Christy.
Assassin, you're right, they could have and should have not made the kids the center of everything. I hate when continuity is messed up; the show started about the sisters, and I want it to continue to be about the sisters. That's why I love people like Leo and Cole who were major characters but didn't take over. The kids took over though. The whole Wyatt thing was too unrealistic. If he was meant to be the most powerful thing ever, Melinda would have said that in her prophecy. And to make a BOY more powerful than the sisters, when it was all about females being powerful, makes me so mad.
And no kids is probably a bit too much to expect from all of them. I guess I wouldn't mind them having children in the later years, just so long as the show was still about the girls. And no perfect-ending three kids for each.
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 18, 2009 18:27:43 GMT -5
Or to fix the age issue, have each season of the show represent six months or so, instead of making it happen in real time. Like, the first half of season one would be made into the first whole season. That way, only four years would have passed throughout the entire eight season run. Then, if Prue had lived the whole time, she would only be 31 or 32. And the storylines would be fixed so one season stretched out into two seasons wouldn't get boring. So we would basically end at the point where Piper found out she was pregnant.
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Sept 18, 2009 22:29:36 GMT -5
I really don't mind the fact that Piper had boys. It is the uber powerful thing that gets on my nerves. What ever happen to the whole balancing good and evil. If they did go with the uber powerful thing though, I would have prefered a girl. It would be cool to see how Piper would have raised her daughter to be a kick-ass demon fighter like they were.
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 19, 2009 9:53:06 GMT -5
Exactly. They started off the show with all this female empowerment stuff, and then they make a boy more powerful. I too didn't mind that they had boy children. I just didn't like that they took over the show. And I watched this show to watch the adults, and not their kids. I wasn't too interested in Wyatt's preschool drama or similar things like that.
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Post by marienomad on Sept 19, 2009 13:10:56 GMT -5
It got a little too much for me when it was revealed that Wyatt will wield Excalibur. Because;
1. Wyatt has too much power as it is.
2. King Arthur was a good king but has no magic powers.
It just left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by ghostrider on Sept 19, 2009 15:21:47 GMT -5
I think if I had the opportunity to make suggestions for the show, I would have said fine....a kid or two, but....after a few mishaps I would have bound their powers and taught them what they needed to know before I granted them access again. As for the white-lighter business....if it just had to be? I would have written in something where they would not have been able to do anything with that until they reached a certain age. As a race we do put limitations on our children with the hopes that they will be able to deal with situations as they mature. Just because you know how to drive a car a 12 does not mean you understand all of the road rules.
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Post by foxfire on Sept 19, 2009 17:23:42 GMT -5
Kids will always be a hot topic for ANY series. Many dislike them, many like them. There are A LOT of Charmed fans who absolutely love the second generation and write insane amounts of fan fiction about them. Then there are other Charmed fans who prefer the sisters and feel the moment the kids came on the show it was suddenly like we had Dawn Summers around.....
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Post by ljones on Sept 19, 2009 23:15:41 GMT -5
By the show's later years, the supporting and recurring characters like Chris and Brody seemed more interesting than the sisters. "Chris-Crossed" made this very apparent. Only Billie seemed to be the exception. And I suspect that this was the show's main flaw.
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 20, 2009 10:35:17 GMT -5
They seemed more interesting than the sisters because the focus on the sisters wasn't the main priority of the writers, it seemed. The sisters got crappy stories to deal with, so by comparison, the new people on the show with the better things to act out are going to draw attention.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 20, 2009 11:43:14 GMT -5
Well, not only did the sisters get crappy stories, but the sisters themselves became crappy as they became much more interested in the their own personal stories, including the extra characters, than they did in doing what they were supposed to be doing--protecting the innocents. Piper turned into Miss Whinealot, constantly complaining about her lot in life and feeling sorry for herself so we did, too, if we weren't rolling our eyes at her; Phoebe became Freebie/PhoeME, more interested in finding her daughter's sperm donor than anything else, so some of us rolled our eyes at her; and Paige--the only one who had a chance to be a character we could still admire--became Ditzy Valley Girl, thanks to the way McGowan played her, and something she never should've been--a whitelighter while she was still alive, so some of us rolled our eyes at her. And with a few minor exceptions, they no longer treated each others as sisters, but just as fellow demon-hunters.
Since we could no longer admire the sisters, only feel sorry for them, why not be more interested in the extra characters who were much more admirable--Charisma's Seer (who should *not* have been killed off), Drake (ditto), Henry, even litle Wyatt and Zankou and to *some* extent Billie (who at the beginning showed how self-centered the sisters were becoming, and who would've been a better character had someone besides a comedic actress like Cucoa played her) were much more admirable than the sisters and whimpy Leo.
I would've preferred the show ending after Season Four, with them turning down the Angel of Destiny's offer, and then letting the children have a spin-off of their own.
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Post by foxfire on Sept 20, 2009 19:30:12 GMT -5
You treat the sisters like they're not allowed to have hopes and desires outside of magic. Seriously, Piper didn't ask to be a witch and she never really wanted that for herself (even in "Witch Way Now" when she mentioned the "majority rules" thing after Phoebe and Paige decided to keep their magic). So she has the right to say "I fudging hate this!" and that she wants a normal life but feels the responsibility to help others (or fight demons).
And why can't Phoebe have the desire to find a man? Or to get pregnant? Have you locked yourself in a room and never encountered any 21st Century women in the 30s? Plenty women in that age bracket want marriage and children... I don't see why Phoebe has to be the exception.
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 20, 2009 21:33:31 GMT -5
I would want them to go after what they want too, but the way they did that was so excessive. I felt like in season eight the only reason Phoebe was around was to talk about kids and find her husband. I would have gladly followed that story if Phoebe did other things that seemed just as important to her, but she didn't.
And with Piper, I don't want to hear her whining about everything all the time. Her sarcastic comments in season three were funny; in season eight, they just seemed mean.
If they wanted the sisters to explore different avenues of life, they should have gotten Phoebe thinking about kids and Piper thinking about a normal life around the halfway point of season eight. That way, we could see them progressing out of their magical lives and into the next stages for them, but we wouldn't have to hear about it for seasons and seasons before the show ended.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 20, 2009 23:12:36 GMT -5
*nods* Exactly.
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Post by foxfire on Sept 20, 2009 23:43:09 GMT -5
I felt like in season eight the only reason Phoebe was around was to talk about kids and find her husband. You're also discounting the fact that she was the one who helped Wyatt express his feelings towards his father's "disappearance", she also briefly helped Christy and not to mention she also had the brief storyline of moving out on her own to feel more independent. When Dex left, so did Phoebe's proactive stance on trying to find a man and get pregnant. By the time Coop came around, she wasn't going on date after date... or don't you remember the episode where Coop tries to get Phoebe back into the dating game after her giving up on finding love? It's so easy to jump on these characters backs but you should really try and think about the real-life aspect to them. There are women out there like these women (after all, Alyssa claims that Phoebe's storylines reflected her own life) and to attack Phoebe is to attack women out there who desire to have families and get married. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Sept 21, 2009 13:37:14 GMT -5
Somehow I dont think (even though some probably have) that most of them went to the extremes Phoebe did to find her baby daddy. And that aspect of Phoebe is so ingrained in our brains compared to anything else she did in S8 because she spent that much time focusing on it.
Its find wanting to find someone to love but once she got on that path thats all she cared about basically. She didnt care about her sisters that much or helping others. Hell didnt she skip out on helping an innocent or someone because she had to go on a date?
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 21, 2009 14:58:28 GMT -5
But with the whole Coop thing, that's just another story about Phoebe and her finding love. I don't care about that. To an extent I could watch it, but I want to see Phoebe doing other things too. I want to see past Phoebe come out once in a while. I know people grow up and change, but this is a TV show. They could have made her the way most fans wanted her to be.
And you said it yourself: "she briefly helped Christy" and "she had the brief storyline of moving out on her own." I want those things to take center stage, and I want her quest for love to be brief. Again, that's okay as a storyline, and it's a natural progression for most women her age, but I don't want seasons and seasons of it. Show me Phoebe agonizing over finding love and wanting a baby for half a season at the most, and then have the show end with a forward flash that shows her finding those things.
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Post by ljones on Sept 23, 2009 14:45:21 GMT -5
Granted, I didn't care at how Phoebe's character developed over the years. I think that Kern and his writers could have done a better job. But I certainly DID NOT want to see Phoebe remain as the same woman that she was during the show's early season. That strikes me as nothing but a lack of character development or growth or decline. It sounds like a character being stuck in stagnation.
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