Reality Bites
Familiar
When witches don't fight we burn.
Posts: 452 
|
Post by Reality Bites on Jan 19, 2011 21:51:08 GMT -5
This is true, but the Angel of Destiny offered them the chance to be completely protected against magical attacks. Because even if they stopped being witches, demons who wanted the Nexus or the Book of Shadows could have still came after them otherwise. If they stopped being witches on their own, the girls would have to get rid of the Book, sell the house, and move elsewhere if they did not want to worry about demons and warlocks coming after them even after giving up their powers. So? What's wrong with that? I don't think they wanted too. |
|
ljones
Whitelighter
Posts: 4,123
|
Post by ljones on Jan 21, 2011 1:15:00 GMT -5
So? What's wrong with that? I don't think they wanted too. I guess that was their problem. |
|
Lexi
Familiar
Peek-a-boo...I see you!
Posts: 218
|
Post by Lexi on Jan 21, 2011 9:27:10 GMT -5
I don't think they wanted too. I guess that was their problem. It wouldn't have been safe for them to sell their house anyway. They would have had to find other active witches who were happy to protect innocents and guard the nexus from being used by demons. |
|
ljones
Whitelighter
Posts: 4,123
|
Post by ljones on Jan 21, 2011 13:09:26 GMT -5
I guess that was their problem. It wouldn't have been safe for them to sell their house anyway. They would have had to find other active witches who were happy to protect innocents and guard the nexus from being used by demons. I can understand that would be difficult, but not impossible. And is it possible that another "nexus" exists? The idea that the nexus only exists underneath the manor strikes me as . . . questionable. Especially since the Halliwell family owned the manor, before Grams had married into the family. This was established in "Is There a Woogy in the House?". |
|
|
|
Post by StoryGirl83 on Jan 21, 2011 16:07:17 GMT -5
Here's a quote from "Is There a Woogy in the House?" Professor Whittlesey: Well, the original house that stood on that spot was a masterpiece. But it had to be rebuilt after the earthquake of 1906 when it was completely destroyed.
Prue: That’s right around the time my Great-Grandparents moved in. All that is established there is that Prue's Great-Grandparents moved in around 1906. These could be Halliwells (Jack/Allen's parents), Johnsons (Grams's parents), either of Victor's set of granparents (though since we know the 20s cousins lived there in 1924, I'd say we can safely go with Johnsons.) Oh course P. Baxter Johnson was nine (according to the family tree, which I know everyone hates) in 1906 and would hardly be building a house or moving in as part of a group the implies she's a married woman, but that's fodder for a different conversation. Most likely we just have to go with they messed up somewhere. I could not find any other specific data in a quit glance through the episode, but I could have missed something. That does leave the time prior to 1906 for it to have been owned by someone else. As to other nexus, I believe that it was established that there are other nexus, though far fewer of them are wiccan nexus (which according to the show is a nexus in the center of a pentagram) but that it's still not the only one. Most likely the majority of these nexus have been over time accquired (through good means or bad) by magical beings. Piper: Our house was built in the centre of a pentagram.
Prue: Looks like it’s not just on a spiritual nexus, but a wiccan one as well. Which means it’s a battleground for good and evil.
Piper: And what happens when evil gets the house?
Prue: It spreads. We’d have to check the Book of Shadows to be sure, but I bet that there’s a reason why our family built the house there. To reclaim the spot for good.
Piper: And now I’m thinking evil wants it back. |
|
|
|
Post by erikamarie on Jan 26, 2011 2:15:31 GMT -5
Yes, they were. That's all they ever did was hunt and kill demons, warlocks or any other supernatural bad guys. They rarely acted as counselors, healers or supernatural guides. They simply killed magical bad guys. What made this worse is that the series tend to emphasize these actions as typical for witches with magical abilities. I thought their task was to protect innocents not being guide or counselors let alone healers |
|
ljones
Whitelighter
Posts: 4,123
|
Post by ljones on Jan 26, 2011 13:45:28 GMT -5
Yes, they were. That's all they ever did was hunt and kill demons, warlocks or any other supernatural bad guys. They rarely acted as counselors, healers or supernatural guides. They simply killed magical bad guys. What made this worse is that the series tend to emphasize these actions as typical for witches with magical abilities. I thought their task was to protect innocents not being guide or counselors let alone healers Why? Why should their task be about "protecting innocents"? Why couldn't Burge and Kern allow the Halliwells to act like regular witches, who occasionally become involved in supernatural matters? Why set up the series with this rule that they have to "protect innocents"? So that we always see them killing other beings? So that the writers would give them an excuse to indulge in their self-righteousness? |
|
Lexi
Familiar
Peek-a-boo...I see you!
Posts: 218
|
Post by Lexi on Jan 26, 2011 15:23:14 GMT -5
I thought their task was to protect innocents not being guide or counselors let alone healers Why? Why should their task be about "protecting innocents"? Why couldn't Burge and Kern allow the Halliwells to act like regular witches, who occasionally become involved in supernatural matters? Why set up the series with this rule that they have to "protect innocents"? So that we always see them killing other beings? So that the writers would give them an excuse to indulge in their self-righteousness? Because they were Charmed, that was their destiny - to protect innocents. They weren't normal witches. If they were then they could be treated as normal witches. Plus, it wouldn't make a tv show watching them go about their normal lives.  |
|
ljones
Whitelighter
Posts: 4,123
|
Post by ljones on Jan 29, 2011 5:16:33 GMT -5
Why? Why should their task be about "protecting innocents"? Why couldn't Burge and Kern allow the Halliwells to act like regular witches, who occasionally become involved in supernatural matters? Why set up the series with this rule that they have to "protect innocents"? So that we always see them killing other beings? So that the writers would give them an excuse to indulge in their self-righteousness? Because they were Charmed, that was their destiny - to protect innocents. They weren't normal witches. If they were then they could be treated as normal witches. Plus, it wouldn't make a tv show watching them go about their normal lives. I'm sorry, but that doesn't really work well with me. It's not surprising that I stopped watching the show before it ended. The whole "it's their destiny" argument still seems like nothing more than a contrived plot device so that the sisters spend all of their time killing demons, warlocks and other supernatural baddies. |
|
|
|
Post by erikamarie on Feb 4, 2011 5:52:28 GMT -5
Just curious, how do regular witches act?
|
|
|
|
Post by ghostrider on Feb 7, 2011 13:37:54 GMT -5
Hummm...By regular do you mean in the real world or the Charmed one? I will not comment on the real world as I only know one...and that isn't much to go on, but in the Charmed World I rather liked the different witched they introduced. Some seemed to have knowledge but no real power as in magic. Others appeared to have some gifts but not enough in the end to save themselves. What I found interesting with all of these differences is the levels they were placed on. This to me seemed realistic. Some may have been born into the craft other were new and taking steps to bond with something they felt strongly about. This is what has alway interested me on the topic. I believe in God so I tend to take a big step back from really delving in to the craft, but on the other hand I believe in many of the things they do. They seems to cleave to nature and nature is life. Without it we all die. Even the Bible states that in the end times all of nature shall scream. Great religious leaders have divided the two but I suspect that in the end we will find that it is all connected. OKay, I am off target, so what would a regular witch do? Be open minded...now that is a tough one, study and apply...use wisdom knowing that all things can return to you. Harm no one but, self-defense in permitted by law.
|
|
|
|
Post by erikamarie on Feb 8, 2011 5:55:59 GMT -5
Sorry Gosth Rider I was curious about the mean of "real world"
About Charmed, the not magic world was conceived as a battlefield between good and evil forces a writer's choice it was up to Burge to decide on the setting she prefered to picture witches as protectors instead of magical counsellores or detectives
A writer has the right to write what prefers
|
|
|
|
Post by lostsoul666 on Feb 21, 2011 21:17:48 GMT -5
I think that there were a couple of reasons why Charmed never got a spin-off.
The WB had been doing badly in ratings for a while, and they were dieing. I imagine that a spinoff would have been a big risk. one that may not have paid off. Supernatural shows like Buffy, Angel, and Charmed are not cheap.
So all in all I think that there were a lot of reasons that there was never a Charmed spinoff.
|
|
|
|
Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 1:19:51 GMT -5
Throughout the entire show, the only one we saw acting like a regular witch CONSISTENTLY was Penny Halliwell. She was a high priestess, led a coven, and knew a lot about herb lore. But she also battled demons and warlocks and other supernatural entities. She had a balance between the spiritual aspects of witchcraft and the fantastical aspects.
The Charmed Ones? Yeah, they never really behaved much like witches. They were just young women with the title of "witch" imposed on their young adult lives. We saw the interest in their craft heritage only pop up a few times. Such as when Phoebe encouraged Piper/Prue to attend the equinox gathering with the other pagans on their second anniversary of being Charmed (she was the only one who was excited) , when Piper was quizzing Paige in herb lore in S4, when Paige was reading her "Witches and Witchcraft" book at work.
Even when they went to the past and learned some of the natural magic from the Virginia coven during All Hallow's Eve...they never really put it to use ever again after that. It was like their Charmed destiny was an imposition, rather than something to be cherished and respected.
If Burge/Kern kept up the more Wiccan aspects of the show, it would've been more enjoyable. But over time it turned into an occult version of X-Men where the Charmed Ones did nothing but hunt down demons and warlocks, and all the magic was about pyrotechnics rather than connecting with nature.
|
|
|
|
Post by ghostrider on Feb 22, 2011 4:23:34 GMT -5
Oh thank you for this post...I am thrilled with your observation which I will call witches vs. being Charmed.
Your assessment of Penny, in my humble opinion, couldn't have been more correct...something I had not really spotted and pondered.
The above mentioned episodes were two of my favorites especially the one where Piper is bonding with Paige and walking through the park talking to her about various herbs. I wanted more of that and less wars between them and demons. In fact I once mentioned that I would have liked to have seem more action going on with just general bad guys (Dead Men Dating) and less magical monster mashing.
"All Halliwell's Eve" is in my top 10 list. That one really excited me as I thought...oh good, we are finally going to spend some time with the true teachings of Wicca. Was I ever disappointed. I have at times wondered if they side-stepped a lot of Wicca ways because they were afraid to delve into it too deeply. If I remember correctly they were receiving some bad press from various organized religious groups. This may have been one of the reasons they kept so much of the show on the silly side, especially in later seasons. Next stop...Book Burning at the stake....
|
|
|
|
Post by erikamarie on Feb 22, 2011 4:57:22 GMT -5
Charmed isn't a story about witches coven or Wicca way it was born as three sisters story with the usual problems of young women from 20 to 30 years who discovered they were witches
The heart of the series was about how reconcile supernatural and normal world how would be possible being witches and normal women who have to work, who need friends and love and time off
Charmed target was women from 20 to 50 years old, not teens, women who'ld identify with them, think -and if this happen to me? how to react?
A series about magic counselors healers or herbalist it'ld be different with a different structuring
|
|
|
|
Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 13:53:45 GMT -5
Oh thank you for this post...I am thrilled with your observation which I will call witches vs. being Charmed. Your assessment of Penny, in my humble opinion, couldn't have been more correct...something I had not really spotted and pondered. The above mentioned episodes were two of my favorites especially the one where Piper is bonding with Paige and walking through the park talking to her about various herbs. I wanted more of that and less wars between them and demons. In fact I once mentioned that I would have liked to have seem more action going on with just general bad guys (Dead Men Dating) and less magical monster mashing. "All Halliwell's Eve" is in my top 10 list. That one really excited me as I thought...oh good, we are finally going to spend some time with the true teachings of Wicca. Was I ever disappointed. I have at times wondered if they side-stepped a lot of Wicca ways because they were afraid to delve into it too deeply. If I remember correctly they were receiving some bad press from various organized religious groups. This may have been one of the reasons they kept so much of the show on the silly side, especially in later seasons. Next stop...Book Burning at the stake.... You're right about the bad press from the Wiccan fanatic groups. But, you know what? Who the f*ck cares? I know I don't. They're so blind to even seeing that Charmed put their religion in a POSITIVE light, unlike "The Craft". So, yeah, it was a "fantasy" show, but Wiccans should have NOTHING to complain about--their religion is the one talking about fairies and Gods and Goddesses and magickal workings. All of those things are steeped in mythology. Charmed is based around mythology, using Wicca as a driving force because of the undeniable connections between religious/folk magick and mythological magic. Making Charmed more light-hearted in the later seasons actually made Wicca look like more of a damn joke than anything else. It didn't solve problems.  |
|
|
|
Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 13:54:44 GMT -5
 Wow. Forgive my language. I was really...ticked off. 
|
|
|
|
Post by ghostrider on Feb 22, 2011 15:30:24 GMT -5
Oh dear, looks like I have done it yet once again.... When I made the post that you responded to, in truth I was not thinking about the Wicca community at all. My bad, as they are part of the various religions I memtioned...but my brain, after the Bloody Mary Kern made me drink was on a different level. I had totally excluded them from the mix since it was a (Christian Site) that I had accidental landed on and discovered that the members and leaders of the excepted paths to enlightenment; at least in this country; were bad-mouthing the show. Most of what I read was after the fact, so I have no idea what the fall-out was like during the shows run. But I suspect that many letters were written and may have clouded the powers that be decisions on how to handle their use of Wiccan rights. Now mind you, I am only guessing. For all I know I was on target the first time....too many power lunches with The Walker Brothers and Mr. Wolfschmidt.  |
|
|
|
Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 16:18:10 GMT -5
Charmed isn't a story about witches coven or Wicca way it was born as three sisters story with the usual problems of young women from 20 to 30 years who discovered they were witches The heart of the series was about how reconcile supernatural and normal world how would be possible being witches and normal women who have to work, who need friends and love and time off Charmed target was women from 20 to 50 years old, not teens, women who'ld identify with them, think -and if this happen to me? how to react? A series about magic counselors healers or herbalist it'ld be different with a different structuring It's not about Wicca, no, but Wicca *is* the backdrop of the entire series. The Warren line of witches--their entire culture is built around witchcraft. They could've delved more into the Wiccan/coven aspects of it rather than turning it into a witchcraft version of Sex and the City like in later seasons. |
|
Wow. Forgive my language. I was really...ticked off. 
