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Post by ljones on Dec 31, 2010 4:18:00 GMT -5
I have some questions about two Season 6 episodes:
"Little Monster"
1) Are we supposed to believe that the only way for that demon-hybrid baby to find love is to be raised by his human father . . . and not his demon mother? Is this another purile example of the show's human=good (or love); and demon=evil (or no love)? If so . . . screw it! It's a Season 6 episode and just another example of the series' inability to rise above it's one-note morality.
2) Why would Paige do something so stupid as to give Darryl a form of physical invincibility?
3) Why did Darryl call Paige to help him with a convict that the SFPD was facing?
"Chris-Crossed"
1. Exactly what did Piper and Paige plan to do with the five year-old Bianca? Kill her? Strip her powers? If so, how cowardly.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 31, 2010 10:52:30 GMT -5
I have some questions about two Season 6 episodes: "Little Monster"1) Are we supposed to believe that the only way for that demon-hybrid baby to find love is to be raised by his human father . . . and not his demon mother? Is this another purile example of the show's human=good (or love); and demon=evil (or no love)? If so . . . screw it! It's a Season 6 episode and just another example of the series' inability to rise above it's one-note morality. ROFL! Such a typical reply for a Cole-fan! The answer is "YES!" Demons are the bad guys in this series, so if you're a half-breed raised by your mortal-half, you're good. If you're raised by your demon-half, like Cole, then you're evil unless you become obsessed (not in love) with a witch. I SO wish Connie had never come up with the idea of a half-breed when she invented Melinda! It totally ruined the show. Again, the answer is YES! When Paige is a blonde/red-head/gingerhead, the peroxide goes straight to her brain and she becomes stupid. I'll let someone else answer the other ones. |
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Post by Lexi on Dec 31, 2010 11:46:45 GMT -5
To be honest, I hated the idea of hybrids too. The fact that demons could "breed" with humans (since that's what they did so that they had powerful human looking children) and that witches could have children with dead people was completely stupid.
But it wasn't just season 6 that showed half-breeds would be evil if raised by their demon parents. Cole was evil, the only difference is that he did find love (which I think he did at first, even if it turned into an obsession afterwards) with Phoebe. But in the end, Cole gave into the evil that he had always known.
Drake and Kira were the only demons that questioned the idea of being evil - so they showed they could sort of rise above it all, but then we don't know the circumstances that they were raised in.
As for Darryl calling Paige; I think it was only so that Darryl could be still part of the show and was still the helpless mortal, which always seemed to be the case. It was a horrible idea done extremely badly. Had the boy turned out to be a witch then fair enough - call Paige.
Hmmm, now then what would PIper and PAige have done with little Bianca. I couldn't help but laugh at your idea (in a good way) it made me giggle. It wouldn't have surprised me had they decided to vanquish her since they truly believed she was evil in the future and therefore deserved to be vanquished.
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Post by ljones on Dec 31, 2010 15:11:29 GMT -5
Typical Esmarelda. Everytime I question the series' black-and-white morality, you seemed to think it's all about Cole. Despite the fact that I had complained about the show's rigid moral stance as far back as late Season 2 . . . before Cole's arrival.
I admit that it still bothers me that the show had never learned how to overcome its one-note morality, something that other shows like BUFFY, ANGEL and (yikes!) even SMALLVILLE learned to do. It still bothers me (why, I do not know) that the show continued its human=good/demons=bad crap, especially since the show is "supposed" to be about Wiccans.
I'm sorry if I keep bringing this up. Hmmm . . . wait a minute. I'm not sorry. As long as I keep posting on this board, I will keep bringing it up. But if you want it to be all about Cole, be my guest. Your snide comments won't change my mind.
Is the reason you can't deal with the topic of hybrids, because it leans too close to the idea of moral ambiguity? Is it because you rather pretend that moral ambiguity doesn't exist? Is that it?
If they had done or tried such a thing with the five year-old Bianca, I wouldn't be laughing. I would be disgusted.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Jan 1, 2011 3:03:36 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on the subject.
"Little Monsters"
1) Cole told Phoebe that evil cannot love. Rather it's obsession. However, he may have only been refering to the love between a man and woman. I didn't really get the idea that were were supposed to think the half manticore baby couldn't be loved by his mother. I rather thought she did love her son. Or at the very least she wanted to protect him. However, we didn't see enough of her to know for sure. I don't think it had anything to do with whether he would be loved or not. I think it had more to do with the idea that despite being half demon, that didn't mean he had to be evil. It's more likely he would be evil if raised by manticores and it's more likely that he would be good if raised by Derek, but honestly, we don't really know a whole lot about Derek. I think this is unlikely, but it could have happened that Derek could have been the one who would end up leading his son into evil and his manticore mother could have lead her son to good. I think that main point was that he was part demon, but that didn't mean he was evil.
2) I think you answered that one in your question . . . because she was being stupid.
3) I'd have to rewatch the episode, and I'll be honest, I didn't like that part of the episode, so I don't really remember much about it. Most likely Darryl didn't have a good reason to call her. It was most likely as Lexi said, a way to keep him in the episode . . . and a poor one at that.
"Chris-Crossed"
1) I don't think they realized they would find a five-year-old Bianca. They scryed for Bianca and they found her. Problem is they found the wrong one. I think they expected to find the full grown Bianca. I'm not really sure what they meant to do with her. Again, I'd have to rewatch, but my guess is they probably planned to make her tell them what she did to Chris and how to fix it. How they would have done that . . . may or may not have been a good direction, but that's my guess.
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Post by Reality Bites on Jan 2, 2011 5:51:11 GMT -5
No real contribution, just to say that this was an interesting topic to read. The varying views is kinda why I liked the show so much... even if it could frustrate me to no end! lol!
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Post by ghostrider on Jan 11, 2011 16:00:49 GMT -5
Like Reality Bites, I too found this a fascinating topic. Didn't think I would respond, but then recalled something from my Bible study days. I admit that I can't quote chapter and verse but I know there is something in there about non-human beings mating with the general populace here on earth. The off-spring was not pleasing to the creator and they were destroyed. I will not try to second guess Connie, but who knows, perhaps she read the same thing and threw in a few changes.
I don't know how I feel about this mixing of bloods. I know that the Bible speaks often of it and for the most part it is a no-no, on several levels.....but I remember one episode that the out come did have a positive note. I have forgotten the title but it was one one with Prue and the Priest. One of my favorites, do to the beautiful scene where they are horseback riding.
He survived to follow his calling but how did he do that. As a half-breed he almost turned to the dark side but managed to escape. I don't recall who raised him and how much time he spent with his brothers as a child, but there was enough power and contact with them to have a hold on him.
Perhaps it was his love and faith in God that gave him the edge, but without Prue would that have been enough? If she had not arrived would he have faultered...which seemed to be the case.
I wonder if that was the first episode where half-breeds were introduced and the writers just decided to make too much of it.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Jan 11, 2011 23:29:01 GMT -5
The episode you are talking about is "When Bad Warlocks Turn Good". Brandon Rowe was the priest's name. It's nice to hear from someone who likes that episode. Lately the only time I've heard that episode mentioned (by only one person) it's been much maligned and I liked it, too.
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Post by joshingabout on Feb 22, 2011 5:15:48 GMT -5
I must be the only Charmed fan who actually likes hybrids. I think it gives the show another element. I mean, when Paige was thrown into the mix the show was changed very much. Paige opened up doors that Prue could never walk through. Of course it would get annoying if EVERYONE was a hybrid (and I suppose all of the kids are, bar Melinda...) but I really thought that they gave the show a new dynamic. Brandon, Cole, Paige, and I love "Little Monsters"  I really wished they had Derek and the Manticore baby in at least another episode. |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 22, 2011 5:47:43 GMT -5
You are not alone I like hybrids
I don't think all the children of the sisters are hybrids
We don't know what the cupids are but we learned that all their powers- stupid hearting trasporting too-are linked to the ring so, unless they stole Coop ring, Phobe girls are normal witches
Paige's twins have only a grandfather whitelighter I cannot think that a quater of heritage'ld be enought to a strong mutation so I think they are normal witches
Henry junior... Prue told that men from Warren family aren't witches in this case Piper's boy'ld be the only exception
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Post by joshingabout on Feb 22, 2011 6:34:01 GMT -5
You're forgetting Chris He's a magical witch. And I think Coop could still teleport without the use of the Ring, unless that was a continuity slip. |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 22, 2011 6:43:26 GMT -5
Sorry a forgot a 's, Piper's boys
Coop cannot teleport, in forever charmed without his ring he wasn't able to return to the manor
In Heartbreak City the cupid asks for help because his ring was stolen
Prue: Alright, show us something supernatural.
Cupid: Drazi took my ring. It's my powers, how I get in.
Cupid: Well, I need the ring to get back. I mean, unless you can get me another one but the problem is I need it to get back to them.
Prue: Wait, you're stuck here?
Cupid: No, actually, you can help me get back home. One more potion, some well-chosen words from the Charmed Ones and I'm on my way
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Post by joshingabout on Feb 22, 2011 6:52:09 GMT -5
I could have sworn Coop teleported without the ring... Hmm, my mistake. And you've actually just given me an idea about how to ground Phoebe's daughters a bit more in my fanfic series. Good thing I haven't finished the episode that focuses on them yet Originally I was just gonna give 2/3 of them the ability to cupid-port, but now I'm not going to give any of them that power. It makes things more challenging for them if they can't just teleport away. |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 22, 2011 7:10:12 GMT -5
Glad to be helpful
And I am happy you may avoid the clichè of Phoebe's girls jumping in a flurry of hearts !
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Post by joshingabout on Feb 22, 2011 7:20:46 GMT -5
I've been wracking my brain for a way to ground the characters. I mean, 2/3 of Piper's kids can orb, all three of Paige's can (I don't mind this so much), and 2/3 of Phoebe's kids could cupid-port (the one remaining feeling abandoned by her cupid heritage). I just couldn't think of a way to ground them. At all. Then you mentioned the Cupid Ring I realised the answer was glaring at me the entire time. Woop! Although I should probably get on topic I think Piper and Paige might have bound/stripped Bianca of her powers so she wouldn't have the chance of becoming evil like her future self. |
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Post by ljones on Feb 22, 2011 23:30:43 GMT -5
I think that's appalling. Binding Bianca's powers is not going to determine what kind of path she will follow. And her mother was still alive by the end of the episode. I think she would have a problem with two women with no emotional connection to her five year-old daughter, taking upon themselves to bound her powers without permission.
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Post by joshingabout on Feb 23, 2011 13:13:34 GMT -5
You have a point, it wouldn't be entirely fair. I don't think that it would be malicious in intention, though. They couldn't have done much else. They wouldn't kill her, as they'd already covered the killing demon-kids thing in Little Monsters.
Besides, they soon realised that they couldn't do anything else as Bianca's mother rematerialised, so this isn't a big issue.
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Post by Lexi on Feb 25, 2011 12:46:01 GMT -5
Why bind her powers? The decision to bind someone's powers should be either with the parent or guardian, which since Bianca's mum was alive that would be her, or with the child herself. If Bianca or her mum wanted her powers bound then they could ask - I'm sure Bianca's mum could have done it herself.
The thing is though, Bianca from the future saw her mum and I have a feeling it would have changed the way things actually happened. Bianca from the future told her mum not to lie to her, which could have had a few changes.
If Piper and Paige bound Bianca's powers without Bianca's mum's permission then it would mean they were showing just how high and mighty they thought they were.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 25, 2011 23:18:34 GMT -5
Why bind her powers? The decision to bind someone's powers should be either with the parent or guardian, which since Bianca's mum was alive that would be her, or with the child herself. If Bianca or her mum wanted her powers bound then they could ask - I'm sure Bianca's mum could have done it herself. The thing is though, Bianca from the future saw her mum and I have a feeling it would have changed the way things actually happened. Bianca from the future told her mum not to lie to her, which could have had a few changes. If Piper and Paige bound Bianca's powers without Bianca's mum's permission then it would mean they were showing just how high and mighty they thought they were. I agree completely, Lexi, and for that you have been blessed! |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 26, 2011 0:59:57 GMT -5
I can't understand this discussion about Bianca
Piper and Paige see that the Phoenix flees, think that she'ld not abandon her daughter and run to Bianca's room to catch Lynn
Why in few seconds could the sisters opt for kill???! or bind Bianca powers? They needed answer from am adult Phoenix they didn't know jet that Bianca was from the future they saw only a children with a doll
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I really wished they had Derek and the Manticore baby in at least another episode.
