Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 25, 2011 11:24:23 GMT -5
I think you are right. I think that the Cleaners' actions were a way for Kern to manipulate the audience into accepting the sisters' decision not to bind Wyatt's powers. Mark the day on the calendar! I agree with ljones completely! It's all part of why I hate Season 6 so much, when Kern tried to manipulate the audience into turning their back on the idea that the wrong thing done for the right reason is still wrong - suddenly it was okay for Chris to murder the Valkyrie so that the sisters could get into Valhalla or for the sisters to steal Darryl's soul without his permission for the same reason or for them to murder Rick in order to save Chris. They didn't succeed with me. I still think the biggest mistake Chris (and Kern) made was making the sisters goddesses at the end of Season 5 (which I still count as part of Season 6)- Piper, the Earth Goddess, never stopped thinking that if something was good for her or her family it was okay to do no matter who else was hurt, and we all know about Phoebe, the Love Goddess, never stopping thinking about finding the father of her daughter - just like Aphrodite, she was much more interested in sex than true love. They no longer had thoses goddess powers, but they still had that mindset, part of why I hated the two so much, and part of why I don't want to be Esmeralda Wyatt any more than I want to be Esmeralda Halliwell. Man, I hate that season! Fortunately Paige's whitelighter side fought against being the War Goddess and won, as shown in S8 while Piper was still the Earth Goddess . They blew it making her the War Goddess - it went against her nature, unlike Piper and Phoebe. Fortunately that was done purely for comedy If it wasn't for her being such a ditz during S5-7, I'd change my name to Esmeralda Matthews - except there's too many Matthews and Matthewses in Charmed as is. Nah, I like the idea of being Emeralda Zankou - the one who should've gotten rid of the sisters who no longer deserved to be Charmed had Kern not cheated. |
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Post by ljones on Feb 25, 2011 13:26:19 GMT -5
I really hated that storyline. I really did. It never made any sense to me that the Elders would have the means to make a witch a deity, yet they didn't have the ability to save themselves from the Titans? That doesn't make any sense at all.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 25, 2011 15:03:47 GMT -5
Amen! Ljones - you have been blessed!
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 25, 2011 22:49:01 GMT -5
Posted by ljones on Today at 4:10am
You know LJ, your response to my post got me to thinking about how Kern and Company manipulated the the viewers. In fact he may have captured more in his scurvy little spider web than the audience. Now I am not to savvy on this, but didn't Connie loose control right around the time of SD's departure? If that is the case perhaps he too is A Cleaner. For all of the reasons we have chatted about SD's dismissal, maybe there is a little more to it. Something slightly covert. Wasn't Shannon protesting some of the story lines? Could she like Connie been a thorn in his side? Just courious...If there is any truth to this than Kern should have done a few walk on parts....as the biggest Warlock on Charmed.
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 25, 2011 23:41:48 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of what you all have to say--but I personally do not count Prue as "sinning" for using her power on the crowd. They were a bunch of rowdy and offensive idiots (not to mention the in-your-face-reporters) who clearly didn't give two cruds about the fact that Piper had been brutally shot through the back. Prue did what she had to do. She told them to move more than once, more than twice, more than three times and even got in her car. She meant business. If they don't listen to words, they'll definitely listen to unstoppable telekinetic force.  |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 26, 2011 1:52:50 GMT -5
if the Cleaners were assigned to protect magic they'ld intervene when Prue exposed it but they didn't
They were ready to come in only with Wyatt in a nasty way taking the baby. And then? They'ld kill the baby?Or they wanted the baby? or the Elders wanted the baby?
The Cleaners were hostile to the sisters not neutral
About Wyatt I think Piper was right not binding his powers how can you educate a person to live with strong powers to control them if you don't start when he is a child? Do you think it'ld be easy when he is an hormonal teen?
And how coud Piper, living in constant danger as charmed one, take the chance to defend himself away from her baby?
IN Kill Bill vol II Piper's children save each other using their powers, Victor'ldn't be able to do it
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 26, 2011 2:08:30 GMT -5
You know, I guess I am destine to be thrown off this site sooner or later, so I might as well go down like a Phoenix.
Posted by erikamarie on Today at 1:52am
WHAT?
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 26, 2011 2:15:49 GMT -5
You know, I guess I am destine to be thrown off this site sooner or later, so I might as well go down like a Phoenix. Posted by erikamarie on Today at 1:52amWHAT? Wait, Ghost Witch, WHY do you think you're destined to be thrown off the site? We love you! I know I do.  |
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 26, 2011 2:28:51 GMT -5
I used to be a member known as MoonlightMagic aka, thanks to ES, MLM. My temper cause me to make the decision to leave. I returned as the Ghost-Rider as I truly love this site and subscribe to no other. My "WHAT" response was me attempting to remain under control. But with me, Keith and Jack sitting together in the board room...that might not last. On the other hand, a little spark and fury is maybe missing from here. NO???
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Post by ljones on Feb 26, 2011 12:21:41 GMT -5
It's easier. After Wyatt had conjured up a dragon that threatened San Francisco, the Halliwells should have bound his powers. It would have been the responsible thing to do. And they can unbind his powers, when they feel that he is ready to handle them in a fairly responsible manner.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 26, 2011 12:21:45 GMT -5
I'm with NW - I sincerely hope you don't leave us, GR; you're too much a fun part of the board. And if they haven't kicked *me* or ljones off yet, they most certainly will not kick you off!
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 27, 2011 22:56:26 GMT -5
It's easier. After Wyatt had conjured up a dragon that threatened San Francisco, the Halliwells should have bound his powers. It would have been the responsible thing to do. And they can unbind his powers, when they feel that he is ready to handle them in a fairly responsible manner. Again I agree completely totally. Having the sisters' powers bound was the best thing Grams could've done even if the reason wasn't a good one and was a pattern the sisters should've followed with their own kids, especially ones who are so powerful. |
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Post by ghostrider on Mar 4, 2011 19:09:09 GMT -5
Nah, I'm still here...I was just having a bad Witch moment. Thanks for thinking I'm fun, cause for now you might be the only one...I am not talking about the Charmed World but the real one! Blah... You delight me and I have loved you back with a blessing....  |
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Post by pppiper on Mar 6, 2011 13:09:15 GMT -5
I dont think that charmed ones ever did anything THAT bad. The did things that weren't perfect, but that was kind of the premise of the show, sisters/humans who happen to be witches and not super-moral who happen to take human form (*cough* elders *cough*).
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 6, 2011 18:09:50 GMT -5
I dont think that charmed ones ever did anything THAT bad. The did things that weren't perfect, but that was kind of the premise of the show, sisters/humans who happen to be witches and not super-moral who happen to take human form (*cough* elders *cough*). How can you consider stealing a friend's soul or setting up a non-magical to be murdered or actually murdering fellow witches as "not that bad"  What would you consider as "bad"? |
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Post by pppiper on Mar 6, 2011 18:46:19 GMT -5
Can I focus on the murdering fellow witches one. I don't understand what you wanted them to do, those fellow witches wanted to kill them, would've killed them. Also, witches aren't neccesarily good, they can be evil, and tbh, Christy especialy seemed pretty evil. What manipulating her sister, hijacking an infant to help kill his mother and being chummy with the triad?
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 6, 2011 21:21:30 GMT -5
Can I focus on the murdering fellow witches one. I don't understand what you wanted them to do, those fellow witches wanted to kill them, would've killed them. Also, witches aren't neccesarily good, they can be evil, and tbh, Christy especialy seemed pretty evil. What manipulating her sister, hijacking an infant to help kill his mother and being chummy with the triad? Wyatt wasn't an infant, so don't use that one. They could've saved her a lot sooner than when they were setting up the big battle. You were the one who has talked about the Elders' powers having gone to their head. So why do exactly what the Elders say? Rather than murder them, save them. And planning to murder someone else so they won't murder you is *not* self-defense - it's first-degree murder! There'a always another way - Kern just wouldn't let the sisters (or his Elders) look for it because he wanted to use his special effects to make big booms. |
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Post by pppiper on Mar 7, 2011 10:29:54 GMT -5
Can I focus on the murdering fellow witches one. I don't understand what you wanted them to do, those fellow witches wanted to kill them, would've killed them. Also, witches aren't neccesarily good, they can be evil, and tbh, Christy especialy seemed pretty evil. What manipulating her sister, hijacking an infant to help kill his mother and being chummy with the triad? Wyatt wasn't an infant, so don't use that one. They could've saved her a lot sooner than when they were setting up the big battle. You were the one who has talked about the Elders' powers having gone to their head. So why do exactly what the Elders say? Rather than murder them, save them. And planning to murder someone else so they won't murder you is *not* self-defense - it's first-degree murder!There'a always another way - Kern just wouldn't let the sisters (or his Elders) look for it because he wanted to use his special effects to make big booms. Even if he wasn't an Infant, I he was a very small child whom was unaware of his actions. I don't think we can deny that it was pretty bad for them to use him the way that they did. Your point about the elders I agree with completley, I don't think the charmed ones should have listened to them ever, I would have loved Season 8's big bad to be the Edlers myself, but that's a different matter. In terms of being able to of stopped the situation form happening by spotting it earlier on and defusing it is where I would agree with you to an extent. It definitley would have been preferable for them to of assured Christy that the Triad were evil and that there was no need to fight. Would it has worked? I like to think so. Plus, the need for a 'big battle' was undeniabley purley because of Kern's fetish for special effects. Lastly, I disagree with the point I put in bold being true. It was kill or be killed. I think what you said only applies if the options are kill, be killed or have both parties live. |
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What would you consider as "bad"?