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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 16, 2011 0:44:41 GMT -5
I'm unsure if the topic has been discussed in any great deal on the boards, but I just have to say: I can't stand Magic School. It was some of the cheesiest crap I've ever seen. Honestly, I couldn't actually believe any of it was actually happening, and it was just so randomly slipped into the show to try and bring it back to its witchy roots from Seasons 1 through 4, but it was just half-a**ed and TERRIBLE. So anyway, I wanted to know if any of you guys feel the same way. And if you could rewrite a magical school for the show, what would it be like? What classes would they take? Would it be more Wicca-based or embracing of all different types of magical learning, including non-magical witch practitioners? I'm interested to know you guys' thoughts.  |
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Post by ljones on Feb 16, 2011 1:47:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't have a magical school in the series period. There is a reason why Demian from TWOP nicknamed the Magic School, Not!warts. I would not have minded seeing the Charmed Ones have their own apprentice, whom they could train for a period of time.
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 16, 2011 2:09:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't have a magical school in the series period. There is a reason why Demian from TWOP nicknamed the Magic School, Not!warts. I would not have minded seeing the Charmed Ones have their own apprentice, whom they could train for a period of time. That actually sounds like a nice idea. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 16, 2011 9:04:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't have a magical school in the series period. There is a reason why Demian from TWOP nicknamed the Magic School, Not!warts. I would not have minded seeing the Charmed Ones have their own apprentice, whom they could train for a period of time. That actually sounds like a nice idea. They had one. Her name was Billie. Nice idea? Maybe. But like a lot of latter Charmed, it was done horribly. |
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 16, 2011 12:09:38 GMT -5
That actually sounds like a nice idea. They had one. Her name was Billie. Nice idea? Maybe. But like a lot of latter Charmed, it was done horribly. *makes a weird face* Billie? What what? Who's Billie? I don't acknowledge anything from Season 5 - 8. As far as I'm concerned, it's all a very bad dream and the real "CHARMED" ended in Season 4 with "Witch Way Now"  |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 16, 2011 14:48:26 GMT -5
They had one. Her name was Billie. Nice idea? Maybe. But like a lot of latter Charmed, it was done horribly. *makes a weird face* Billie? What what? Who's Billie? I don't acknowledge anything from Season 5 - 8. As far as I'm concerned, it's all a very bad dream and the real "CHARMED" ended in Season 4 with "Witch Way Now" Obviously not, since you're the one who asked about Magic School. Unless you're like me and think that what some fans think of as Charmed's S5-8 is actually Charmed's spin-off, "The Perils of Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper" 's S1-4. But you must admit - using an apprentice the way TPoPPPP did in their S4 was a very good idea done horribly. |
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 16, 2011 15:32:17 GMT -5
*makes a weird face* Billie? What what? Who's Billie? I don't acknowledge anything from Season 5 - 8. As far as I'm concerned, it's all a very bad dream and the real "CHARMED" ended in Season 4 with "Witch Way Now" Obviously not, since you're the one who asked about Magic School. Unless you're like me and think that what some fans think of as Charmed's S5-8 is actually Charmed's spin-off, "The Perils of Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper" 's S1-4. But you must admit - using an apprentice the way TPoPPPP did in their S4 was a very good idea done horribly. That's right, you took the words right out of my mouth.  |
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 16, 2011 16:20:56 GMT -5
Kernus turned Piper, one of the best sisters (aside from Prue) from a cool witch into a hot b*tch. But it wasn't entirely her fault. The Elders were a**holes from day one.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 16, 2011 23:55:01 GMT -5
Not really. Piper just thought they were because they wouldn't let her do what she wanted. They didn't really become a$$holes until Chris let the original Elders be murdered by the Titans in S1 of The Perils of Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper. In TPoPPPP's S2-3, with the lone exception of Sandra, they were more demonic than the demons, who were pitiful forms of themselves with the lone exception of Zankou.
I believe the Elders in TPoPPPP's S2-4 (Gideon included - although he was Leo's mentor, I don't think he was an Elder before TPoPPPP's S2) were just like Leo - all whitelighters who were turned into Elders way before their time and whose powers went to their head. Chris SOOO screwed up in not letting the original Elders live. I'm sure it's because his mother taught him to hate the Elders because they wouldn't let her do what she wanted to.
Poor, poor, pitiful Piper!
My heart cries for her.
NOT!
Truly the Cleaners should've wiped HER out rather than Wyatt!
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 17, 2011 0:27:55 GMT -5
Not really. Piper just thought they were because they wouldn't let her do what she wanted. They didn't really become a$$holes until Chris let the original Elders be murdered by the Titans in S1 of The Perils of Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper. In TPoPPPP's S2-3, with the lone exception of Sandra, they were more demonic than the demons, who were pitiful forms of themselves with the lone exception of Zankou. I believe the Elders in TPoPPPP's S2-4 (Gideon included - although he was Leo's mentor, I don't think he was an Elder before TPoPPPP's S2) were just like Leo - all whitelighters who were turned into Elders way before their time and whose powers went to their head. Chris SOOO screwed up in not letting the original Elders live. I'm sure it's because his mother taught him to hate the Elders because they wouldn't let her do what she wanted to. Poor, poor, pitiful Piper! My heart cries for her. NOT!Truly the Cleaners should've wiped HER out rather than Wyatt! I've never witnessed so much disdain for Piper in my life. She honestly wasn't that bad--she was exponentially more enjoyable than Freebie, on all fronts. And no, the Elders were a bunch of useless jerks in robes whose rules and ordinances about how people should live their lives really got on my ever-lovin' nerves. It always happens when you have ancient orders. Their intentions are pure from the starting point, but along the way and when it all comes down to it, all they really desire is power. Just look at the Jedi Order, a perfectly classic example of robed authoritarians under the guise of spirituality. Which is why Wyatt wasn't completely wrong in noticing that the Elders were just as power-hungry as the Triad/Infernal Council. It really became ridiculous, specifically in the way that they treated Leo for doing what he had to do in order to protect his family. Oh, I'm sorry, their precious "greater good" came first.  And most of the time it wasn't even about the "greater good", it was just about "what option better suits our desires"... And we're way off-topic. Anywho, Magic School was a scam. |
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Post by ljones on Feb 17, 2011 12:06:20 GMT -5
Yeah, it was done horribly. But I still believe that the idea of an apprentice is a lot better than the Magic School concept, which was done even worse on the show.
I hate to say this (to be honest, I don't), but some of Leo's decisions were really crappy. The worst decisions he made were to become an Avatar and help convince the sisters to cooperate with the other Avatars for that nauseating scheme to turn the human population into Stepford wives. And Leo's scheme to marry behind the Eldes' backs was also pretty stupid.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 17, 2011 12:31:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it was done horribly. But I still believe that the idea of an apprentice is a lot better than the Magic School concept, which was done even worse on the show. Well, two bads don't make a good, just like two wrongs don't make a right. Neither should've been done, at least not the way they were. That's also my reaction towards Piper and Phoebe. As I show in my signature, part of why I hate TPoPPPP is that I hated the changes in both of the original sisters. No way I'd say one was worse than the others - they both became crappier and crappier on the inside as they became more beautiful on the outside. I absolutely LOVED all four sisters during the four seasons of Charmed and HATED all three sisters during the four seasons of TPoPPPP and most of that is due to the fact that the TPoPPPP version of Piper was a crappy leader, crappy sister, crappy wife and crappy mother - that's how much disdain I have for that whiney, selfish, self-centered b*tch who should've been wiped out by the Cleaners long before Chris was even conceived. Phoebe redeemed herself in my eyes during the two Drake episodes - it was *so* nice to see my Phoebs again rather than Freebie/PhoeME. I never saw anything that looked anything like my Piper during TPoPPPP. I agree totally - although again, he was influenced by Kern. But this is the main reason why I don't look at the Elders the way most fans do. They were right. Whitelighters and witches shouldn't get together. As soon as they did, all the witch and whitelighter did was concentrate on themselves, not the ones they were supposed to be protecting. When a whitelighter is turned into a little errand boy all for the love of a witch....*shakes head* Either both should've given up their powers and just be "normal", or the whitelighter should've been taken away from the witch and kept away from the witch as soon as they started falling in love. As for the original topic, I have yet to find a single fan who liked the idea of Magic School as it was done either in the series or the comic books. So why continue the discussion? Hard to do when everyone agrees. |
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Post by lostsoul666 on Feb 20, 2011 22:11:49 GMT -5
I thought that magic school was a stupid idea. It was not needed, and it felt like an attempt to draw in Harry Potter fans.
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 21, 2011 1:43:02 GMT -5
I thought that magic school was a stupid idea. It was not needed, and it felt like an attempt to draw in Harry Potter fans. I agree with all of this. |
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Post by forbes on Feb 21, 2011 3:46:28 GMT -5
I didn't really mind magic school that much. It was random and I understand why everyone thinks it was not a strong choice. Despite my opinion, I completely understand why they felt the need to put something like that into the show. I think it could have been utilized better, because the reason they brought it into the show was to draw younger audiences and have a more contemporary feel, but it just ended up being their home away from home. All of that being said, I really didn't mind it at all. |
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 21, 2011 5:51:14 GMT -5
I didn't really mind magic school that much. It was random and I understand why everyone thinks it was not a strong choice. Despite my opinion, I completely understand why they felt the need to put something like that into the show. I think it could have been utilized better, because the reason they brought it into the show was to draw younger audiences and have a more contemporary feel, but it just ended up being their home away from home. All of that being said, I really didn't mind it at all. Draw younger audiences? I don't think so at all. Charmed, from the beginning to the end, was aimed at teenagers, young adults and 30-somethings. Why would they need to have a more contemporary feel? Another example of the pure, stinkin' CRAP that Brad Kern dumped on the show. Magic School was a Harry Potter knock-off. The show started to stray farther and farther away from its Wiccan/witchy roots, which made it so enjoyable in the first place. It started out as a family-oriented story about supernatural feminine power and then turned into a hokey supernatural version of Sex and the City at the very last season, full of STUPID pop culture references. Less of the focus was on the sisterhood. More focus was on the girls and their individual obsessions. Pure freakin' CRAP! |
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 21, 2011 15:16:55 GMT -5
My feelings on Magic School are a mixed bag. For the most part I simply disregarded it and decided that the writers were either on a long lunch break or their creative juices had just dried up.
Introducing a Magical Place of learning might not have been a total mistake if they didn't try to turn it into a center piece. I would not have made it so easy to get to...Boston or New Orleans might have been a nicer location. I would have preferred less emphasis and more mystery concerning it.
I often wondered it they added it to the story line to have a place for youngsters to gather with others like themselves. That isn't a bad idea but I would have started earlier and began it with a coven.
I just finished watching "The Fourth Sister" and Phoebe made an interesting remark. She bonded with Aviva not just because they had youth and silly girl things in common but because they were (well almost) both witches. Phoebe states that it was nice to have someone to talk to about who they were.
Now it is the sisterhood they shared that kept me tuning in but generally as humans we need more. Even Piper commented that she missed her friends and at least part of a normal life.
So rather then a Magic School with other witches popping up I would have created a coven and had interesting guest stars come and go. Yes, I know...I have said this before, sorry for being a broken record.
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Post by dylan345 on Feb 21, 2011 15:30:21 GMT -5
Magic school ruined one of my most favorite ideas about Charmed. In the beginning, we get that being a witch is a special thing, and that even among witches, the Charmed Ones were unique. That they were so set apart not only from people without powers but other magical beings is what made it interesting to watch. It gave the show an intimate feel.
Then magic school comes along and we have scores of witches with abilities that didn't seem much different from the Charmed Ones. What happened to the days when it was just the three of them, when their secret was something to be kept among only them, and when it meant something special?
I'm all for the sisters having a few other witches they are friends with to be able to talk to someone about magical things, but a school full of students and staff members all with magical abilities is too much.
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 21, 2011 17:37:38 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with you and very glad you brought this up. Of all the times I mentioned covens I totally failed to state that the girls would be members but also silent about their gifts (for the most part) within the con-finds of the group. Being Charmed is special and should not be revealed even to other witches. For one thing a secret shared is a secret no more. And to throw in a bit of selfishness....to much work.
Imagine what would happen if the other witches knew what they could so. My husband is cheating on me...please freeze him and send his sorry behind to the north pole. I hate my boss could you turn him into a turkey and I will serve him for dinner. OMG, what a mess that would be.
No...joining a coven would be to share and enjoy NORMAL witch business. This could also be a good cover for the girls. Okay, so they belong to a coven in San Francisco...and???
Every now and then something might slip out but they would find a way to fix it and that is just part of life in and out of the craft.
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 22, 2011 5:28:56 GMT -5
I think they needed magic school to have a safe place for the children they cannot bring every time Wyatt and then Chris to Darryl how could Darryl home be a refuge for two magical children?
Magic school idea was popular because of Harry Potter - but is more old than Harry Potter- so they used it
I didn't mind of magic school but I'ld prefer if it was a simple refuge, a day care for magical babies a place where a young witch'l learn about magic not about powers
The sisters are unique because they can read spells that no other witch can use because of the power of Three those spells are powerful and special and even a powerful witch as Christy'ld never use them This is the difference between the Charmed One and witches with strong powers
It's the same for Wyatt he is not special for his powers but because he is able to use magic without spells as when he called up Penny in bodily form or when he exachanged his parents souls
Even charmed fans talk more often about powers than about magic
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And most of the time it wasn't even about the "greater good", it was just about "what option better suits our desires"...
