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Post by foxfire on Aug 29, 2007 20:01:04 GMT -5
It was probably a culmination of things that gave Paige her power. They knew they couldn't give Paige a completely new power because it was stated that the Charmed Ones only had three powers (telekinesis, premonition, freezing). Then, they probably didn't want it to be the same as Prue (so fans wouldn't feel like she was replacing her even more than she already was) so they factored in her whitelighter side and voila! Paige's power.
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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 29, 2007 20:35:39 GMT -5
How do we know that Paige won't manifest an innate ability to astral project later on in the future? Maybe Paige's astral self would appear in an orb-colored flash, rather than the orange tinted flash that Astral Prue appeared in?
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Post by foxfire on Aug 29, 2007 20:52:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Paige would ever have astral project. Why? To me, it seemed like the "extra powers" the Charmed Ones received were like gifts, given to them by the Elders. Like when Piper got her power of molecular combustion (although it was written off as a further stage of her powers) Leo said "They wouldn't give it to you, if they didn't think you could handle it" (I think).
So if Phoebe were the one to die, this would probably mean that Paige would get premonition but getting empathy and levitation would be unlikely.
Prue's astral projection manifested itself as a power in which Prue, of all three, would have needed it most.
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Post by ljones on Aug 30, 2007 0:47:43 GMT -5
Uh, that was already fulfilled by the original Power of Three. There was no need to give Paige some lame-assed version of Prue's telekinesis. Besides, I don't recall Melinda Warren possessing empathy, astral projection or molecular combustion. Paige was a teleporter. It was so obvious that anyone with a brain could see. I guess the show's writers feel that its viewers were dumb enough to buy the orbing telekinesis theory . . . like many of the other dumb ass magical theories that have appeared on the show.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 30, 2007 12:44:27 GMT -5
Can we please dispense with the derogatory comments? Okay, I don't recall Melinda Warren as being Charmed. Therefore, the fact that she had only simple versions - or restricted versions of a particular power - is besides the point. It is my contention that what makes the Charmed Ones special is that each Charmed One has amplified powers. Prue doesn't just have telekinesis. She exhibits psychokinesis, as well as astral projection. In addition, she is able to reverse the momentum of an incoming object beyond her ability to deflect them. Individual witches could have one of these powers. With the exception of Billie and perhaps Christy - and, believe me, I was not happy about this - only the Charmed Ones had a full panoply of powers. That's what made them Charmed.
For example, the boy in Secrets and Guys did have psychokinesis. But, he did not possess telekinesis. Eames, the crafty warlock, collected a bevy of powers from individual witches.
That the Charmed Ones did not have access to all aspects of their powers is obvious. Prue does acquire astral projection until Ms. Hellfire. Piper acquires her "exploding" power at the end of Season 3. With the exception of the visionquest, Phoebe's precognitive powers never advanced that much. Certainly, they should have evolved along the lines of the Seer or Kira. But, it appears that we were left in the dark about this. Likewise, Paige's witchy powers should have evolved to include astral projection with the Prue-like ability to impart momentum to objects while astrally projected (Something Wiccan). But, for Paige, she also had to evolve as a whitelighter and to acquire the ability to move herself from one location to another - metastatic orbing; the ability to transports others with her (The Three Faces of Phoebe) and to move objects - sight unseen - from one location to another.
Whether the Elders influenced the growth of these powers is debatable. Certainly, they had control over whitelighter powers. Whether they could "give" the witches a power boost or extension is open to question. I know Leo asserted as much when Piper received her new powers, but that explanation was not used when Prue gained the ability to astral project.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 15:33:54 GMT -5
I don't really ever remember whitelighters ever being able to teleport objects. I only remember Leo being able to orb people back and forth with physical contact. But I don't remember telekinetic orbing. Although, in a season one episode, he goes through their attic with telekinesis (doesn't he?).
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 30, 2007 15:53:38 GMT -5
You are forgetting the Season 1 episode Secrets and Guys. After Phoebe has uncovered Leo's secret and learns about the Founders (the first description of the Elders), Leo is encouraged to fess up to Piper. While awaiting his chance to speak with Piper at Quake, Leo refills his glass of water by orbing it full.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 15:55:22 GMT -5
Oh okay. Hm. Well, in all fairness, whitelighters don't have to call the objects. So that's new.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 30, 2007 15:59:42 GMT -5
Are you referring to Bacarra in A Witch in Time who must say teleportare in order to teleport something? What's difficult to understand is how Prue is able to move the cream into the coffee from Something Wicca. Her power is to impart momentum. We should have seen a trail of cream going from the container into her cup. Instead, we see it pumped magically in. THAT suggests something that we later will call orbing or teleportation. I can't recall her doing anything similar later.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 16:08:30 GMT -5
That was always one of my biggest confusions surrounding her powers. It just didn't make sense because it was like teleportation. Although, it was cool.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 30, 2007 16:21:13 GMT -5
Visually pleasing, but delivered with such haste (you can see the pump) that fortunately it was abandoned as Charmed matured?!? I can forgive a lot of the first season mistakes. It's the season 8 ones that I can't forgive. E.g., how did you vanquish him (the Source) the first time. Ah, Paige, you were there, remember?
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 16:34:23 GMT -5
LOL! What other first season mistakes are there? I find that in that season at least, they were still trying to create the mythology behind Charmed. I think that's what was cool. We got some demons and a bunch of warlocks. Towards the later seasons, all we get are humanoid demons and barely any warlocks.
I really like the fact that the earlier seasons had an easy mythology to grasp but it kind of got fuzzy as time went on.
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 30, 2007 20:38:53 GMT -5
Actually, Leo doesn't orb water into Phoebe's glass in Secrets and guys. He refills it, but we never see orbs.
Leo does display telekinesis in Wicca envy, episode 1.10 and we see it again in episode 7.01, A call to arms, when he flings Sheridan into a wall.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 20:42:25 GMT -5
Why does Leo have TK?
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 30, 2007 20:44:40 GMT -5
Because apparently it's a basic whitelighter power as was glamouring, sensing and healing. Half of elderville (e.g. Gideon)displayed tk, so it seems like it's a basic ability.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 21:05:02 GMT -5
Pfft. Telekinesis was supposed to be Prue's power. When you go giving every other character telekinesis, it dimishes her own power. Her ability was supposed to be hers and it just seemed like just another power. I almost sound cryptic, do you get it?
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Post by MarAcev on Aug 30, 2007 21:24:44 GMT -5
But Leo had it way early in season 1, so it was never exclussively her power, just like there were many other beings with the power of foresight, like Phoebe.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 30, 2007 21:44:18 GMT -5
I was going to mention the fact that there were Seers and an Oracle within the series but they never had premonitions like Phoebe did. They foresaw the future in different ways.
Powers still remain something I disagree with in Charmed. They started out with the three standard powers and it felt like instead of creating all these new powers for other witches and demons, they just recycled telekinesis. For example, why couldn't Billie have had telepathy? Or why couldn't she have had super strength? It just feels too recycled when you don't make up new powers.
I believe strongly in the fact that powers are extensions of one's personality. You get my way of thinking?
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Post by Kit-the-cat on Aug 31, 2007 9:32:55 GMT -5
Paige always annoyed me. Her whole attiude just infuriated me. And yes i think that her character was pushed to the side a bit. I mean you just have to look at the season's big storylines Season 4- Phoebe gets married and her boyfriend tried to kill her Season 5- Piper gets pregnant and we have to deal with her preganacy issues Season 6 Pipers Son comes back from the future Season 7- Leo becomes a Avatart and Piper has to deal with it Season 8 Billie comes in and wants to find her sister.
Now you tell me when Paige has been in a storyline that has centered around her!
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Post by marienomad on Aug 31, 2007 11:15:28 GMT -5
Didn't Paige have all those side plots like running Magic School and developing as a whitelighter? I think that she had developed a lot since she first came on. Way more than Piper and Phoebe.
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