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Post by ljones on Sept 5, 2007 12:21:24 GMT -5
Again with the stupid insults, vandergraaftk. I keep forgetting that dumb ass habit of your of insulting the intelligence of others, because they don't think the way you do.
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 5, 2007 17:16:55 GMT -5
No, I just find it annoying that you constantly want to put down everything about Charmed and anyone who tries to discuss it rationally. I'll let you own comment in another thread be the concluding statement here: The Halliwells proved that they were nothing more that a bunch of bigoted killers. To quote Cole (from Sam I Am), "Spare me the judgemental crap."
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Post by MarAcev on Sept 5, 2007 18:40:31 GMT -5
Oh, I don't think that's fair. Paige was magically much more important than Phoebe way before season 8. I always thought that when it came to magic, it was Piper and Paige, and then Phoebe by herself doing close to nothing.
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 6, 2007 10:51:03 GMT -5
I wasn't looking at it from the vantage point of magic. I was only looking at it in terms of the sister dynamics. Even through the Avatar drama, Paige's opinions counted less. True, as a witch, she had made tremendous progress, enough to challenge Piper during late Season 5 for leadership while Piper was pregnant. Still, Piper's power was much more impressive. I will grant you that Phoebe meandered. PhoeME was less potent than Phoebe who could redirect demonic fireballs by Season 6.
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Post by Kit-the-cat on Sept 6, 2007 11:28:28 GMT -5
Ha Paige and leadership. What right did she have. She wasn't as experienced as Phoebe, why did Paige feel she should take control whilst the older was pregnant. Paige had not been a witch 2 minuets and look at what she was expective
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Post by ljones on Sept 6, 2007 14:12:56 GMT -5
No, I just find it annoying that you constantly want to put down everything about Charmed and anyone who tries to discuss it rationally. I'll let you own comment in another thread be the concluding statement here: The Halliwells proved that they were nothing more that a bunch of bigoted killers. To quote Cole (from Sam I Am), "Spare me the judgemental crap." I do try to discuss the subjects rationally. But when I post something that you do not agree with . . . you put me down and treat me as a not very bright child. In fact, you do this to anyone who does not agree with you. I just simply had enough of your attitude and lost my temper. Crap? Just about everyone on this forum can be very judgmental . . . whether they are criticizing the Halliwells, or criticizing anyone who is not a Halliwell or Leo.
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Post by Kit-the-cat on Sept 6, 2007 16:34:43 GMT -5
I hate to interrupt this lovers tiff your having at the moment but come on! This a forum where everyone can express their opinions. People will disagree of course they will, but that is no need to get into a open " argument".
You both bring up excellant points and the forum truly is interesting with both your opinions, i think that a forum is good with a little conflict, but this is ridic! Your both old enough, or should be, to rise above any childish remarks.
Now enough of the bitching and lets get back to the topic at hand!
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 6, 2007 17:24:25 GMT -5
I hate to say this, drewsgal, but I couldn't disagree more. If I were to state a dreadful opinion such as the one I quoted above, then I would at least attempt to provide support for the argument and address rationally counterpoints. That some people refuse to do this absolutely is their problem, not mine. I, for one, have thick enough skin to ignore the petty remarks and try to make light of them. Apparently, some people cannot take a hint! Worse: I just wish they would follow through on threats and just ignore us all. Go annoy someone else! PLEASE!!!! Why on Earth anyone who takes such a horrid position and regularly revisits a forum site where such an expressed .... is just unfathomable to me! But since you rightfully reminded us of the purpose here, I will repost the salient part of my original posting, the one that was completely glossed over, in order that we might get back on track: Now, as for Paige: what in the world do people mean by central character? Either somebody is not watching Season 5 at all or somehow misses the point that Paige is driving much of the action: Sympathy for the Demon, Sam I Am, A Witch's Tale. I could go on. What perhaps is missing is the sense that she is an equal partner. Yes, Paige is battling internal demons (am I as good a witch as Prue?), vying for leadership of the Charmed Ones (against Piper), trying to warn about Cole/Source (against Phoebe), and becoming liaison to the many magical creatures that inhabit Charmedverse: leprechauns, nymphs, gnomes, etc. I suspect that because Paige is not accorded truly equal status as a Charmed One by her half-sisters clouds our judgement with respect to the important role the character does play in many, many episodes. Personally, I don't think Paige became an equal until Still Charmed and Kicking.
Maybe it's because I am a Paige head that I focus more closely on Paige than say Phoebe or Piper. Who knows?
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Post by foxfire on Sept 6, 2007 21:58:35 GMT -5
I want to comment on the "Paige as an equal partner" comment because I couldn't agree more. A bell went off when it was said that Paige's opinion counted less during the Avatar saga. Between Phoebe and Piper, they always use the b-s excuse of "We've been witches longer than you have". I'm sorry but Paige has accomplished a heck of a lot more magical stuff than Piper and Phoebe will ever. Paige has far surpassed Phoebe in the spells department and Piper in the potions department.
In season eight, who was given the fight scenes? Paige. Yes, when it comes to the "magical solution", Paige will most likely have it. However, when you factor in personal life drama, Paige really lags in that department. Specifically with men. Yes, we know that she didn't really want to date but that wasn't played on as it should have. When Carrie hadn't been with anyone for six months on Sex and the City, we felt for her. On Charmed, when Paige wasn't dating it wasn't meant a big deal.
Unfortunately, we used to have that with Prue. Doesn't anyone remember the passing comments often made to sisters who were dateless? Because I sure do.
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Post by Kit-the-cat on Sept 7, 2007 5:33:00 GMT -5
in fairness Paige has had loads of episodes centering around her, and yes those episodes were watchable. I just wish they would of gone futher into " who is Paige". What do we know about her We know she is the daughter of Sam and Patty. She had to be given up. She was adopted by foster parents, they died and she used there death to get into social work. We only got a glimpse of her life with her adopted parents. But i have this craving to know more about her.
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 7, 2007 10:40:26 GMT -5
Hear, hear! All the more so, since an otherwise horribly written, poorly paced book, High Spirits, adds to the mythology of past Paige, e.g., that she had a circle of friends who went on to accomplish lots of things, i.e., become a rich and famous movie director. That's not the sense I got from A Paige from the Past. There I felt that Paige was an outsider who had a very small circle of friends who didn't quite possess an overwhelming sense of ambition with respect to making lots of money. Glenn struck me as someone who lived from day to day hiking in glamorous spots. Perhaps he worked a while, saved enough money, then moved on to tackle the next big thrill. Maybe her circle of friends changed when she went to college, as now she was determined to make something of her life in order to redeem herself with respect to her adopted parents. Gosh, I wish we had gotten a glimpse of THAT Paige!
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Post by Assassin Witch on Sept 7, 2007 11:45:19 GMT -5
Hear, hear! All the more so, since an otherwise horribly written, poorly paced book, High Spirits, adds to the mythology of past Paige, e.g., that she had a circle of friends who went on to accomplish lots of things, i.e., become a rich and famous movie director. That's not the sense I got from A Paige from the Past. There I felt that Paige was an outsider who had a very small circle of friends who didn't quite possess an overwhelming sense of ambition with respect to making lots of money. Glenn struck me as someone who lived from day to day hiking in glamorous spots. Perhaps he worked a while, saved enough money, then moved on to tackle the next big thrill. Maybe her circle of friends changed when she went to college, as now she was determined to make something of her life in order to redeem herself with respect to her adopted parents. Gosh, I wish we had gotten a glimpse of THAT Paige! Ah, more about Paige. Now I have to take a page from Es' book and mention Charmed: Reset Reality. *smiles and hides* We took the Paige plot of "APftP" and added some. With a whole other B Plot that is a lot more . But, bacak to Paige. We showed more of her relationship with Glenn (why wasn't he in that episode anyway? Best friend/ sometimes Boyfriend...) and Michelle. Who then appeared in another episode. And, of course, because Fourever Charmed and I are major P/G fans, Glenn is around a lot more. We've went into his "what he was doing" and we're going to go more into his travels and Paige/Glenn in S5. There is so much more to Paige than what we've seen. Not to mention we've seen some of Paige's cases in CRR, too.
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 7, 2007 17:10:21 GMT -5
Dare I ask what you thought of the Paige depicted in High Spirits?
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Post by foxfire on Sept 7, 2007 19:15:09 GMT -5
It's actually really interesting to note that a lot of the Charmed Ones friends only appear once. I really wish they would have had a more constant supporting cast. I felt Darryl was a perfect supporting character and I loved when Sheila was around because it really added to the Piper/Leo dynamic.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Sept 7, 2007 20:31:16 GMT -5
Dare I ask what you thought of the Paige depicted in High Spirits? Haven't read that. I've gotten through Charmed Again and stopped reading.
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Post by Kit-the-cat on Sept 8, 2007 7:34:33 GMT -5
i just get the feeling that they didnt know what to do with charmed after prue died, so they brought in the illigit child and then just wasted the past three years by killing the source mid season they didnt know what to do with paige either, its so unfair that she got looked over like that
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Post by foxfire on Sept 8, 2007 12:10:37 GMT -5
I will say this though, season five was and will be the closest thing to a "Paige season". That season kind of returned to the "every sister has her own storyline" kind of thing. Why am I saying this? I wacthed "A Witch's Tail" last night . It had a storyline for each sister: Phoebe's divorce (and Cole's return), Paige's struggles with her job, and Piper's fears about becoming like her mother. Mind you, once Phoebe became a mermaid she wasn't in the story as much. Another good example of the shared storyline (and probably one of the best examples) is "Sense and Sense Ability". Each sister did have their own storyline that eventually tied into the bigger storyline. I really do like that episode.
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Post by MarAcev on Sept 8, 2007 19:16:45 GMT -5
You don't think each sister had a storyline in season 6? Paige had the temp jobs. Season 6 was very even in terms of sister time, but the storylines sucked for all three. Paige's temp jobs, Phoebe's empathy and Piper's dating, they ALL sucked.
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Post by Kit-the-cat on Sept 9, 2007 6:59:16 GMT -5
No i dont think they had a storyline in Season 6. They all had there own issues, but nothing like season 4 &5. Season 4 Phobe had the Cole thing- season5 more cole stuff plus Piper's baby drama issues and invincibility. Paige didnt have much, she was just a added axtra IMO
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Post by foxfire on Sept 9, 2007 14:25:11 GMT -5
I don't think Paige is the only character to really fall victim to the Piper's family drama. If anyone else notices, Phoebe really doesn't get a lot of action after Cole left and any drama she had was 6 episode-long boyfriend stories. Both Paige's and Phoebe's development didn't grow enough.
I know Phoebe's not everyone's favourite and the reason for this is because she didn't get a lot of things to do. When she did, it was because of rotating boyfriends.
I suppose I should ask this question, how many people like seasons 1 and 2 Phoebe better than 6-8 Phoebe?
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