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Post by erikamarie on Jan 6, 2016 5:01:31 GMT -5
Content to having never read the comics!
Can't stand Brody, obsessive, vengeful, a great puppetmaster
To make matters worse, that actor has something slimy in the look, I feel him physically uncomfortable
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 5, 2016 15:17:16 GMT -5
I agree, it's a good think when fans talk about their ideas, analyse and discuss the different points of view, it's strange when a fan thinks she'ld have to feel ashamed because she enjoys watching Charmed
I like some ideas that are being discussed but that does not mean it would work or that the most of the audience'ld have liked it
It's part of the fun of a forum reviewing the episodes, chatting about different choices and theory and this doen't mean that we cannot re-watch with pleasure those same episodes, despite all their flaws
I's rather boring instead to repeat endlessly the same complaints
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 5, 2016 14:59:44 GMT -5
Originally the Elders,only older and more experienced whitelighters, seemed wisely devoid of powers, according to the ancient rule that the ability to reflect and govern is linked to a lack of powers and human ties
More or less after the attack of the Titans - the authors'ld have done serious courses on Greek mythology - suddenly they appear powerful, and it's odd, since they weren't able to use the powers of the gods, of which thery were only guardians, so much that they had to turn into goddesses the sisters
Once silent and mysterious masters of magic, the Elders become nosy, full of demands,incredibly ignorant on the evil world but fast to throw the CO into the fray, as they were their infantry
Perhaps the wisest of them died during the Titans attack and thesurvivors, frightened, took advantage of powers that it'ld be better not use, changing and losing their wisdom
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 5, 2016 13:47:00 GMT -5
I liked Phoebe's power of empathy: it was a reasonable explanation of what had happened in Morality Bites, (certainly empathy is strongly linked to emotions), it had a bond with her ability to see the future and the past, fulfilled the prophecy about the most powerful witches ever seen
I didn't instead like at all Phoebe'transformation in an expert of the post of the heart: it's nice that the character has at some point overcome her fear of love but Phoebe's vivd and adventurous personality is ill-suited for the sugary role of marriage counselor
Even a Phobe in love with Coop would have dreamed of a social role different from being a kind of vice cupid!
While the presence of three daughters -maybe witches,never Charmed Ones- or her marriage with that dull cupid never upset me, I cannot stand the idea of the joyful, lively, curious Phoebe reduced to a writer of advice to catch men
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 5, 2016 5:26:06 GMT -5
Another good thing about fans being critical and analytical is that although you can't change what's happened in the show already or the way a character was handled you can do so via fan fiction if you see people comment on things you agree on say and can put them into stories making you and them appreciate the show more and how you think it would've been handled better concerning certain mythologies and consistency with some of them introduced earlier like fairies only been seen by children, romantic interests having purposes there and not seen or used as lapdogs, the way Piper, Phoebe and Chris were handled later years, having humans not seeing ghosts without a spell or potion and making the red hooded guy be the Source who's never unmasked same with the Elders and everything. I agree, for this reason I like the characters analysis, I realize that often each of us perceives differently a character: for example, I like Chris but I don't think of him as a romantic hero I am fully convinced that Charmed is like a mine for people writing fan fic because it's full of ideas never developed, doable plots, characters with a lot of potential abandoned or misused In Charmed the mystery was one of the essential components: remove the hood from the Source and the Elders was a serious mistake |
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 5, 2016 5:15:48 GMT -5
This comment, right here: Is a perfect example of Moff's Law. What is Moff's Law, you ask? From TV Tropes: Look, Charmed was a pretty flawed show. Sometimes it was intentional, other times it wasn't, but either way, the flaws are still there. A lot of us have analyzed and critiqued those flaws, and that is completely okay. All works of art, whether highbrow or lowbrow, should be analyzed, and if anything, you're doing disservice to the work itself by simply dismissing it as "mindless entertainment" and unworthy of a critical eye. And, you're certainly doing disservice to other people and their time by telling them to shut up and turn their brains off. While a lot of Charmed analysis has an unfortunate tendency to accentuate the negative, it's the negativity that's the problem, not the analysis itself. It's a GOOD thing that so many fans think critically about the show and don't follow ErikaMarie's lead by shutting their brains off and treating it like worthless fluff. It means that most of us really are smarter than TV networks give us credit for. Erika Marie is not saying not to strain our brain on fundamental issues as Brad Kern’ existence of or long-standing issues such as the hem of skirts of the sisters: every efforts their brains about what they want Erika Marie was telling Nimue not to wonder about problems because she likes Charmed: she likes, I like, so many people like to watch Charmed and no one'ld have feelings of guilt Guilt towards whom? Towards a Wiki as TV Tropes I'm sorry, I'll be a snob, but I find TV Tropes absolutely trivial Marcel Reich-Ranick said that one of the most destructive things linked to the TV series was the birth of the " professional destroyer " the modern version of "those who can do, those who can not critique" Talking in a forum of the beloved series is fun but it's fun it's not the birth of a new, fundamental phenomenology In the visual arts there are high moments, no one denies, Camille Paglia, among the great images of the Contemporary, reports the battle between Obi Wan and Anakin Some series – surely not Charmed, not Buffy, not Supernatural- are products well shot and well-written as the first season of Lost, very cinematic, with episodes written in a commendable way, shot and edited extraordinarily well. And I highlight the first season, because the others have, like all series, also showy flaws Just because the TV series are TV series, linked to market laws, unpredictable events - the death of an author, the leak of an actor - have different story from the movie and, quoting the Heinrich Boll Stiftung, approach the Feuilleton, the nineteenth Century novel, as the Comedie Humaine or the Three Musketeers, which, incidentally, is among the worst writing novels in literary history The television series of high quality, such as Six Feet Under, The Sopranos, Mad Men and The Wire - I only know Mad Men, mine is a quote from HBS - produces works of surprising complexity, variety and generosity narrative, and thematic human, and at the same time of good popularity, just like the popular novels This is to emphasize that I have a positive assessment on the TV series, I understand the bond that is created and the need to extend that bond by talking, whether it is to comment on an episode of great impact as Blink - doctor WHO- or a textbook literature character as the Rust of the first season of True Detective Loving the Socratic approach, I believe in discussion that generates ideas The criticism exacerbated, vitriolic, over the top, indicates that the link is missing, there is only a taste for controversy and scorn and this destabilizes a site where fans have every right to analyze and criticize, while respecting their passions PS: Tv Tropes is not the gospel |
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 4, 2016 5:20:34 GMT -5
I won't write a list but I'll talk of my 5/6 fundamental episodes
I'll start with the last in order of appareance, Kill Billie Vol 2
It'ld be the last episode of the series, I don't have the passion of the open endings, but in Charmed it'ld be perfect
They'ld close adding what Piper told Victor in Forever Charmed
Piper: But it’s okay, I mean, I’m gonna fix it. I don’t know how, but I’m going to fix it.
We'ld all believe Piper, certainly she'ld bring back her sisters: how, when ... boh, it would be subject to a future season, if they wanted one day recover Charmed
The battle, the devastation of the Manor, are spectacular, I love the icy digs between the sisters
PIPER: No potions, huh?
CHRISTY: We don't need any potions.
PHOEBE: Funny. Neither do we.
PIPER: (to Christy) I knew we shouldn't have trusted you.
CHRISTY: You should've followed your instincts.
PIPER: Next time.
BILLIE: There won't be a next time
I love the final scene, Piper nestled to Phoebe, unaware of the rest of the world, there is only her dead baby sister
PIPER: Look at me. Look at me.
PIPER: Breathe, sweetie. Come on, kiddo. Wake up.
Only when she hears the sounds of wood shifting she is able to remember Paige - and this is realistic, the shock of the death of wgo was your sister for your whole life can erase the memory of who was part of your life from just five years - so she delivers Phobe to Leo, runs to help hopeful and instead she finds Billie
She even forgets to have the power to destroy Billie with a wave, and jumps on her and punches her,in the grip of a fury that needs physical violence
Almost I wept with her, the first time I saw it
Beautiful scenes of the children, also: the special relationship between Wyatt and Chris appears so clear, even when Wyatt is playing with his granddad
Sweet, innocent brothers, Wyatt again is too aware of family dramas, he knows he has to protect his little brother with his shield, tries to help his mommy orbing to aunt Billie and helps to evoke the Hollow, it is clear that it will never be possible to grow him away from danger
Victor shocked by Wyatt's disappearance, cuddles Chris and tries to talk with her daughters: maybe he is seeing the future Chris that loved him so much when desperate he talks to the baby seeking for help?
VICTOR BENNETT: Hey, Chris. Listen, buddy. Hide-and-seek. You want to play hide-and-seek?
(Chris smiles.)
VICTOR BENNETT: Okay. Where's Wyatt? Can you find Wyatt? Can you use your powers to bring him home, please?
I like that the episode starts in the darkness of a dirty underworld cavern and ends into the darkness of a despairing night: in the middle, so many things happen, all important a part from the appearance of Coop, I'ld have happily done without him
Even Billie, that usually I evaluate a too spineless character, gets some personality
BILLIE: Too bad we're trying to kill Paige. Otherwise, she could've healed you
And Christy.. I like her, a strong character, resolute, cold, hungry for power
CHRISTY: We have work to do, Billie. We have to find a stronger potion.
BILLIE: Well, there aren't any, okay? That was the strongest one they had.
CHRISTY: Then we'll make a stronger one.
Kill Billie Vol 2 is worth a whole season
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 4, 2016 4:47:41 GMT -5
I would of loved it better if magic school was created during season 6, and not around for a long time. That would of been way better, than pretending it was always there. Not that I was a big fan of magic school to begin with. I'ld like better Gideon as an Harry Potter reader who thinks it'ld be a good idea to create a safe place for young witches, maybe orphans or children of people who are not witches A school where to learn how to make potions and spells, never to learn powers! |
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 4, 2016 4:40:53 GMT -5
I don't think that the sisters have ever dreamed of eliminating evil from the world, they wished to eliminate the demons, a dangerous category that too often they had to deal with
The bad and the good that exists in every human being, the result of our precious free will, have never been, rightly, problems that the Charmed Ones have to solve, the sisters have to face only evil agents that could hurt the innocents, to make the world a safer place
For this reasons I affirm that the sisters were cheated, never the Avatars talked of their dominion over human minds
The question, IMO, is : was Kyra aware of the trick?
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 4, 2016 4:26:33 GMT -5
So, this is a thread in which I would like to discuss the fandom's current relationship with the show, or rather the fandom's current emotional well-fare independent of the show (that sounds really weird and I don't know if it's possible, but I don't know how else to formulate it). Right now, I feel like the fandom is in a currently unhealthy place: it's not just negative, it's unhealthy. People are complaining/arguing (and I'll admit I'm one of them), about Cole and the Source, about the reboot, about when the show should have been cancelled... we complain about the show, and yet we keep coming back here (are we a bunch of masochists, I wonder?). I can't think of it ever being this bad (I feel like the comics have made it worse, in the sense of rehashing certain things that fans hate, such as Cole and Phoebe). For me, I'm currently rewatching Season 4, and despite its flaws I'm enjoying myself. I'm not sure whether I'll still feel the same way once I've reached Season 5, but we'll see. Charmed has a lot of flaws, for me the latter seasons were really bad (despite my love of Billie), and yet it's still one of my favorite shows, and I still enjoy watching it. For now.
So, I want your opinions about the fandom's current sate of being, and your relationship with the show? Does it change anything about how you enjoy the show or not? I'm sure a psychiatrist would have a field day with the fandom and its relationship with the show, but I'm no psychiatrist. I don't have the time nor the desire to look at all the TV series of which here many are speaking, as Arrow or Pretty Little Liars or other of which I never heard of I admit that I don't even care about all the events that many think are important, conventions, news of the actors etc. As I told, I write only here and on the Lost forum, where there is much talk of the characters yet to be understood, of situations yet to be deciphered, no one loses time to cheer for this actor or that the writer or to proclaim how much they'ld be best writers In Destined too, I can't remember having ever seen the acrimony and acidity that often invest the Cafe, as if there was personal score settling,against whom and why I am not able to understand I like Charmed, in my country it's regularly revived and every time has good audience: the basic story is nice, the characters interesting, the dialogues are lively, often out of the banality I enjoy watching the episodes, not all, but it doesn't exist a serie of which I'ld watch again all the episodes A lot of flaws are normal in a TV series that exceed the 3/4 seasons, Supernatural is an example, after the fifth season has become, IMO, a lot boredom, I still like the brothers but never again I'ld get a look at the seasons from the sixth onwards Nimue, I'm afraid you are too swayed by extreme views,so negative views which often lead me to wonder why someone would bother to write about what can't stand!? Enjoy Charmed without problems, there is no need to justify for your own passions |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 23, 2015 5:29:41 GMT -5
Because this is a place where who loves Charmed 'ld debate
If it's not, if there is someone who determines what to talk about and what not to talk about, thank you for alerting me, it means that I'll not speak more, I am allergic to dictatorships
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 23, 2015 2:24:19 GMT -5
Paige is clearly a Charmed One, although I agree that the writers completely f*cked up her powers. However, she can cast Power of Three spells with her sisters, so to suggests she is anything less doesn't make much sense. However, I do have to admit that I have never been completely sure about Paige's being able to become a Charmed One. I loved Paige as a character and think the writers did a good job in a difficult situation when revising the show's premise. However, if Melinda only prophesied three sisters possessing the Power of Three, then it should not have been those girls who could harness it, because there was four of them. The only reasons I can think to explain this are: 1). Melinda only foresaw Prue, Piper and Phoebe possessing the Power of Three and they would still be able to do so regardless of whether they had any other siblings. If Prue had survived, Paige could never have accessed the Power of Three. 2). Penny's binding spell on Prue, Piper and Phoebe as infants 'locked in' the Power of Three and because Paige was born outside of this magic, they were still able to grow up and become Charmed. Paige's witch side remained dormant meaning - technically speaking - that there was only 3 sister witches in that generation. 3). Paige was never supposed to be born. And being born to a witch and Whitelighter makes her a magically anomaly, and thus natural laws don't apply the same to her powers. 4). Prue was destined to die young and so Paige WAS allowed to be born, simply in order to replace Prue. Prue wasn't destined to die young, in Morality Bites she is alive Melinda saw three powerfull sisters, Prue, Piper and Phoebe, sisters in which the powers she possessed would become extremely powerful Their bond generates that rare power that is the Power of Three, but this power has never been prophesied by Melinda, it was only an hope thet it could be born in their family The power called by Phoebe remains in the family accepting Paige instead of Prue but Paige is not one of witches prophesied, one of the more powerfull: she is good at writing spells or making or potions but this is the result of her study,Paige 's power are from her father |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 23, 2015 2:13:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry for starting a thread about this, but I really have no idea where else to post this. What is coming up is a rant, and I'm sorry about that (I seem to do nothing but rant these days, and not just about Charmed, either): I DO NOT, under any circumstance, want a movie continuation featuring the four sisters and their kids, or even a movie that starts up after season 3 or 8 and treats the show differently. I want a reboot, right now and not in ten, fifteen years. I want a reboot that would fix things, that would take the ideas of the original show and treat them differently, present things under a different angle. I want new actors, new sets, new stories... I want good writing, the kind I can smile at and make me feel happy to like the show, not the kind that makes me bang my head against the wall and makes me feel a little ashamed for liking it. I'm tired of feeling that way. I don't understand why people want a movie, a movie that would just feature the same actors, with the same bad ideas of the show, I want to start over new and fresh. The later seasons of Charmed were so bad that a reboot cannot possibly mess things up, it can just be a serious improvement. Why do people want to wait for that to happen? So they can keep venting out their frustrations about the original show? Do people really enjoy doing that? I don't think so, but I'm starting to seriously ask myself the question... I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way, like I said before, I'm tired of feeling like I'm in the minority. Why should you feel ashamed for liking Charmed even in the last season? Not always we love what is perfect My favorite books are the seven of Le recherche du temps perdu of Proust, no one knows how to write emotions like Proust I love the forerunners of tv series as Dumàs and Dickens too, or Lev Tolstoj but I never felt a bond with female characters as the icy Oriane de Guermantes or the sweet Natasha Rostova or Sissy or Milady, while being beautifully written characters I feel rather close to the clumsy and inconclusive Becky of I love shopping, because I have her own tendency to daydream, to get into embarrassing trouble: I love shopping is not exactly a literary masterpiece,no perfect writing I don't follow many series: I loved Lost -the only other forums that I follow is a Lost forum- I never watched other fantasy series, except the first two seasons of Once Upon a Time - nice but cold- and sometimes Supernatural, only because I love the brothers, the serie is being too monotonous and lack of ideas Sometimes I watch a few episodes of The Good Wife, well-written, elegant but I never could have for Alicia the affection that still exists for the four sisters Charmed created four sisters who are loved by the fans, of course I'ld have preferred a bigger continuity in the quality of the episodes - in all the season there are boring or bad episodes, it's normal - I'ld have preferred it was a series with an history less troubled, but with all its imperfections is a serie that you can relate to with pleasure, always Do you really believe that if there was a reboot well written, more logical, more accurate, you'ld love it? I don't think, you'ld feel nostalgic even for the flaws of the old Charmed I don't wish a movie or a season nine, I'ld like the Charmed Sons spin off, a new story of two magical brothers independent of Charmed, in another place and perhaps with other premises - my dream was Wyatt that exiled the Elders on some other astral plane - with an evil world more complex and subtle and less silly rules It didn't happen, it's sad I'ld like also if thery talked of other timelines, as the reality of Morality Bites, but it'll never happen So if there will be a reboot, I can only hope that it'll be used the Charmed world but with an entirely different story, different sisters, different relationship |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 18, 2015 17:12:09 GMT -5
The prophecies are often distorted by the fans and eventually it becomes canon what canon is not
The Charmed Ones had no destiny to fulfill, as Phoebe told in Something Wicca This Way Comes
Phoebe: I'm serious. She practiced powers. Three powers. She could move objects with her mind, see the future and stop time. Before Melinda was burned at the stake, she vowed that each generation of Warren witches would become stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of three sisters. Now, these sisters would be the most powerful witches the world has ever known. They're good witches and I think we're those sisters.
Phoebe: We're the protectors of the innocent. We're known as the charmed ones
The most powerful witches the world has ever known:in Morality Bites, the original timeline, Prue's power has grown in a striking way, with a simple gesture she destroys the attic
Piper is able to block an entire square, Phoebe, with her empathy out of control, is able to turn the feelings of anger of the people into a deadly weapon
In ten years, their powers have grown exponentially even if their relationship is almost nonexistent -Prue's colleagues don't know she has two sisters
Prue, Piper and Phoebe are the prophesied sisters, the most powerful witches ever seen, able to access the Power of Three, whether they use magic to protect the innocent or not, they are the Charmed Ones
But they aren't ironclad or immortal: Prue dies
The Power of Three absorbs Paige as sister, but Paige is not, and never will be, a Charmed One, her powers don't advance as Phoebe's - her empathy used to deflect fireballs - or Piper's
Paige has whitelighter powers and a particular form of telekinesis but she isn't a powerful witch like her sisters or like the Jenkis's sisters
If Prue had been alive, Christy and Billie'ld have to invoke the Void immediately, they'ld have had no other solution, because in this case they would have to face the three most powerful witches ever seen, not the two
I don't think there were two set of Charmed Ones but only one, Prue, Piper and Phobe
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 18, 2015 16:39:50 GMT -5
Dan and Piper it'ld be a wrong couple:Dan seemed the classic husband who dreams of an accommodating wife with a lot of time for him: too jealous, too nosy, too looker
Andy and Prue: too friends to be a real couple. Andy, with great honesty, admitted he didn't wish a witch as wife, like Jason, like Dan, like Dex, like Victor
Henry is the exception: the revelation of the existence of magic intrigues him, thrills him, he is ready to accept all of Paige, like Leo, like Cole
Paige was lucky
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 18, 2015 16:23:03 GMT -5
I saw the movie and, belive me, it's a kind of reboot
We'll talk about it when you'll have seen it, I read that in Canada will be screened tonight
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 18, 2015 16:17:32 GMT -5
Or however you spell her name. Which did you prefer Past Phoebe or Past Paige. Also do you think the cousins killing Past Phoebe mirrors the Sisters murdering Christy? Where have you seen the sisters murdering Chrsty? If you look Forever Charmed, you'll see Christy throwing a fireball at them and Billie redirecting it against her I dont' think that she believed that evil was good and good was evil, I think that Christy was educated in the belief of being special and destined to power by the Triad As Cole, as Wyatt, Christy is corrupted by the passion for power, a passion stronger than the natural affection for her parents and her sister Evil was good and good was evil: so she sincerely thought that Piper who welcomed her in her house and cooked for her did an evil thing and that it was instead a good thing to kill innocent people as the Charmed Ones? Because, even assuming that the sisters were selfish - I do not believe it - they were innocents and Christy always had the firm intention of killing them, this was her task As for past Phoebe and past Paige, I didn't like either |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 18, 2015 2:10:04 GMT -5
Typical Es, I'm an exception to most rules. Although I liked James Read's Victor better as a father and a grandfather, I liked Tony Dennison's better as the Charmed Ones' father, but as usual, that's more due to the way they were written than the actual actors (looks very seldom mean anything to me, outside of the hotness of Antonio Sabato Jr!) Read's Victor was almost *too* nice, *too* kind. I can't see him not making contact with his daughters during all of that time or even thinking that a whitelighter stole her away (during the wedding that whole bit seemed WAY out of character), while Dennison's I can see doing all of that. I would've preferred Dennison's version being the one we saw in S3. Since I count S4-8 as an alternate universe spin-off, Read's Victor would make plenty of sense. You are probably right, an obnoxious and vain father would be more adequate but difficult to forgive and let go again in their lives Grandfather Victor in season eight is really a great grandfather, in Kill Billie there is a beautiful scene between him and the little Chris, I am glad they changed actor |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 18, 2015 1:56:54 GMT -5
This confirms me in my opinion that when a serie ends, you have to say goodbye, not endlessly drag characters and situations
I never read the books or the comics, I think Dumas was the only one, with the cycle of the Three Musketeers ,to write three books around four characters without boring
Charmed lasted eight seasons, it'ld be better managed - I blame the constant vacillation of the production, a series requires a lot of work,it isn't possible to toss a season off in three months- but it was over when Phoebe started to summarize their eight years on the Book of Shadows
Eight years are a long time for a series with this structure, Supernatural is the proof, it is dragging proposing always the same plots
I saw last night the latest chapter of Star Wars: it's a reboot of the original Star Wars, perhaps the only sensible way to start again with a new legend and new characters
I never would think of a season nine or ten but of a leap in time, with an elderly Piper who guides a new generation of witches - witches not Charmed ones- or develop one of several timelines appeared in Charmed
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 18, 2015 1:39:47 GMT -5
There are arguments that I am not able to understand at all
R & H have had adequate space, their story began, has grown consistently and ended, the serie was about the sisters, not the Charmes Ones against R & H
Fans and fanfic writers are then free to become attached to a character, to write of that character, these are personal choices, no one has the right to decide what should or not should be valued
I liked Crone, I think she'ld be a great villain, it didn't happen, whatever
Charmed was a source of ideas and characters, often just mentioned and it is useless open the debate about the reasons- the many reasons- again
About different points of view, I liked the Wndingo, for a simple reason; whem I was little, my nan warned us children about the danger there was in the woods of telling of Luop Garou and the Ogrè, or the Etruscan orc spoken of in Perceval, the Story of the Grail or the Wendingo before he landed in the Canadians woods
Many'ld be the reasons why certain plots or certain characters can are liked or not
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