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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:57:55 GMT -5
No doubt had Connie stayed at the helm, that might have happened. The mystery would have stayed about who the big bad really was. Of course, unlike Kern, Connie didn't want to turn Charmed into Buffy Mark II.
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Post by West on Aug 1, 2015 19:17:37 GMT -5
No doubt had Connie stayed at the helm, that might have happened. The mystery would have stayed about who the big bad really was. Of course, unlike Kern, Connie didn't want to turn Charmed into Buffy Mark II. I agree, I wished it was that. I'm rewatching season 1 and 2 random episodes. How much better it is, in fact I like every episode. The bad episodes don't compare to later season ones. I like Rex and Hannah, they were great. Should of been villains for all the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 23:17:28 GMT -5
Thank you, it's good to see posts like this.
Seems R&H fans are few and far between here. Most of the audience I've picked for my Rex and Hannah Chronicles have come from outside of Charmed fandom (some of them have never seen Charmed at all).
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Post by West on Aug 2, 2015 0:23:44 GMT -5
Thank you, it's good to see posts like this. Seems R&H fans are few and far between here. Most of the audience I've picked for my Rex and Hannah Chronicles have come from outside of Charmed fandom (some of them have never seen Charmed at all). I'm currently rewatching random episodes from seasons, and watched disc 2 of season 1, and I think they worked as villains. They were great, heck they came close to winning, and didn't attack until Wicca Envy. They should of been vanquished in Deja Vu All Over Again, and instead continued on as season villains. Thats a shame there are few fans of them. Wicca Envy is one of my favourite season 1 episodes.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Aug 2, 2015 4:28:16 GMT -5
Yes we'd have certainly fought out more about Hannah and Rex probably and their motives for going after the Halliwell's which Tim would've loved I'm sure and saw them working with Rodriguez and Tempus maybe if they had that is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 12:00:14 GMT -5
The only plus to Rex and Hannah having such a brief run is that it gave me plenty to work with. R&H were a virtually blank slate when I got my hands on them, thus giving me more creative wiggle room than I would have had with the more established characters.
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Mar 6, 2019 20:56:50 GMT -5
This discussion has been brought up lots lately, and I glad I found an old thread to bump than do a new one. It's hard to say for sure, especially because like Kern, she would've had to do what The WB wanted her to do. But had they tried to kill her show the way they killed Kern's, I don't think she would've let them. I know the sisterhood would've always been more important than individuality (even if Piper would've kept grumbling about her need for a normal life), and that the three sisters always would've starred rather than their men or their children. They would always believe that the wrong things done for the right reason is still wrong - just because something was funny wouldn't make it okay. I know she didn't think there was such a thing as halves, so Cole would've always been a full demon and Paige (if she became part of the show...) would've always been a full witch, as would any of Piper and Leo's children. I know that Piper would've always acted as the Middle Sister, Phoebe as the Baby and Paige (if she became part of the show...) would've always acted as the Only Child. I'm pretty certain that "the Elders" would always be known as THEY and that we never would've seen their faces. I'm also pretty certain that had the Source existed (I don't know if he existed in her vision of the Charmedverse or not), we never would've seen *his* face. I'm pretty sure that Wyatt would've been Prudence Melinda (or Melinda if Shannen wasn't fired) and would not have been Twice Blessed or have whitelighter powers - she's probably have a single Warren power and that would be it. Speaking of, although I don't know for sure, I do believe that Prue never would've died and Paige never would've existed. I'm also pretty sure that when Shannen Doherty would want to leave after five seasons because she was bored and her contract was up, that Connie would've given her show the ending it deserved rather than let it die a slow death like Kern did. Whether she would've made it dark like Season Four or light like Season Five, I don't know. Also whether she would do story arcs rather than "Demon of the Week", I don't know. Whether all of this would've made Charmed "better" depends upon each fan's interpretation of that word. Those who know me know what I would think... I think you nailed many points. I'm certain Wyatt would be a girl, so the show stays female-centric. I'll also believe she wouldn't have whitelighter powers. As far as I know, Morality Bites never implied Melinda was part whitelighter, but just a witch. Now, I am imagining a world, where Kern was let go at the end of S2, and Connie stayed on. I have a feeling she may well have ended the show after season 4 or season 5. I'm sure if Shannen wasn't fired, she might not renew her contract for S5, and Holly wouldn't too, or at the least got them to return for just one more with Season 5.
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Mar 6, 2019 21:07:13 GMT -5
I agree that Connie's not a good writer. During my re-watch, I was surprised to find out how many episodes written or co-written by Connie were ones I didn't like, while some of the ones that Brad wrote, I did. Although I usually didn't like the Charmed Ones in the ones written by Brad unless they were co-written by Sheryl J. Anderson. She's quickly becoming my favorite Charmed writer - I always loved all three sisters when she either wrote or co-wrote the episode, the same way I love all three sisters in the books written by Paul Ruditis and the comics. Where I do put the blame on Kern as showrunner - and it does appear that he was the showrunner for the entire series - is all of the inconsistencies. You'd really think that as showrunner, he would've been more careful to keep the mythology consistent, but even in the episodes he wrote for Season One, there are many inconsistencies with previous episodes. Yep as we noticed in our board re-watch of S1. While 'Secrets and Guys' was a great episode written by Sheryl & Connie based on a story by Brad and Connie. Also, Brad and Connie wrote 'Deja Vu' together, they were at least in S1, great at doing episodes together as a team. Can't wait to re-watch that one. But the more I think about it, the more I actually would have loved if Chris & Zack and even Sheryl had gotten control of the series. They couldn't have done any worse than Brad Kern. Those three wrote and knew the sisters and show better than Kern, and really wrote some of the best episodes from S1-3 than anything Brad and Connie did.
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Post by summerreading on Mar 7, 2019 20:31:48 GMT -5
Thanks for bumping this up Prudence, I know this has been talked about for a while, and during a few of our re-watches. I think 'Secrets and Guys' was the best one written by Brad, Connie, and Sheryl, or all three had a hand in working on an episode. Of course, with how this episode was set-up, I have a feeling it was the start of Prue's journey to become a mother, not Piper. I know we also discussed in our re-watch threads of S1, that perhaps Connie based Prue on her oldest sister who might have been the first in her family to have a child. But we'll never know for sure. Just like we always speculated, that if Ted didn't leave, it might have been Prue and Andy with Melinda in the future. And I always smile when I see an old post by Es on the board, I haven't read yet.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 7, 2019 23:27:48 GMT -5
Yeah, rereading my post I realized I made a typo. Shannen's, Holly's and Alyssa's first contract were for four years, just like their second one, and I don't think Shannen would've signed her second one - and if she didn't, neither would Holly, and that would be the end of the original Charmed with probably a spin-off with Cole and Phoebe to follow.
I've always believed that this is why Shannen was fired when she was - to force Holly to do the show without Shannen since she was under contract. Then of course they offered Holly the chance to be a producer if she signed her second contract, something Alyssa also wanted and got. Since it didn't include extra money, Rose didn't want it when her first contract was up.
I'm not sure about Brian and Dorian. I just know Brian's ended after Season Five because if he hadn't signed it, Chris would've been the sisters' whitelighter for the rest of the series, something that I'ms sure would not have happened if Connie was still in charge, especially if Chris remained a Halliwell of some sort. I really don't think she'd want kids of whitelighters to have whitelighter powers - that was pure Brad, because he wanted halves and Connie didn't and Aaron Spelling liked Brad's vision better.
Like Summer said about 'Secrets and Guys'. I'm sure the whole bit about Leo and the Founders was all Brad, while the bit about Max using his powers to rob was all Connie (they wrote the story) while the way the sisters were written, especially Prue wanting to be a mother, was all Sheryl (Prue was always Sheryl's Mary Sue...I'm sure that's why Sheryl was gone once Shannen was.
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Mar 8, 2019 19:50:31 GMT -5
Yeah, rereading my post I realized I made a typo. Shannen's, Holly's and Alyssa's first contract were for four years, just like their second one, and I don't think Shannen would've signed her second one - and if she didn't, neither would Holly, and that would be the end of the original Charmed with probably a spin-off with Cole and Phoebe to follow. I'd be much happier with four wonderful seasons with the originals set and then a spin-off, I can choose not to follow if I didn't like it. I think this truly is the real reason why he fired Shannen in the first place. He knew he would lose them both, and wouldn't get to profit on more Charmed. Me either, that really does sound more like Brad to me. Especially since he was the one who pushed to introduce the magical community for years. I'm sure he was the one who came up with all the magical creatures and beings on the show. Figures Spelling went with the vision of Brad than Connie. That really does make so much more sense and why Sheryl left. But maybe Chris and Zack left like most of the other writers who left due to conflict with Brad in the writers after S3. I know Sheryl and Connie worked again on Miss Hellfire doing the teleplay if memory serves based on a story by Connie. I'm sure Sheryl wrote all of Prue's parts, but I wonder if the sister's backstories to their childhood which Piper and Phoebe use to convince Prue they are real was based on Connie and her sisters. Funny how this one had witches in it, most of Connie's episodes or ones she contributed with, didn't have whitelighters or Leo in it, apart from 'Secrets and Guys' and all of them had a witch or warlock in them. Of course she liked to scare the audience in some of them.
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Post by Sasha on Mar 8, 2019 23:22:13 GMT -5
I'm not at all surprised Brad was more interested in all the magical stuff and magical creatures and demons and of course the sisterhood were most important to Connie. Too bad, Spelling liked Brad's ideas over what Connie had in mind.
I don't think Connie would want children with whitelighter powers at all too. Now, I'm sure if she had her way, the sisters would have only daughters, if she had to have one of the sisters pregnant.
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