Astral Alex
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Post by Astral Alex on Dec 3, 2014 14:23:18 GMT -5
I think in all honestly it was a balls up on the production side.
I think seeing Phoebe fly in 2x22 led the producers to make her gain levitation in 3x01, before realising just how expensive it would be to rig up the harness etc everytime there was a fight scene.
I think (although I may be making this up) that the budget was larger for Seasons 3-4 but when budget cuts followed, that power was expensive to show, hence it was used less.
However, on the other hand - the lack of Phoebe's premonitions really grated on me. Especially in Season Eight, the way she treated them was disgusting. I think the writing just got lazy, so it became hard for them to 'fit' a premonition into an episode as it would have meant adding an extra layer to the plot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 14:48:14 GMT -5
I think in all honestly it was a balls up on the production side. I think seeing Phoebe fly in 2x22 led the producers to make her gain levitation in 3x01, before realising just how expensive it would be to rig up the harness etc everytime there was a fight scene. I think (although I may be making this up) that the budget was larger for Seasons 3-4 but when budget cuts followed, that power was expensive to show, hence it was used less. However, on the other hand - the lack of Phoebe's premonitions really grated on me. Especially in Season Eight, the way she treated them was disgusting. I think the writing just got lazy, so it became hard for them to 'fit' a premonition into an episode as it would have meant adding an extra layer to the plot. I think you're right that the Levitation came from 2x22, however I don't understand how harnesses for levitating/flying are much more expensive than being thrown into walls/hit my energy balls etc. I can only assume it is a different sort of harness/wire. Yeah, it does make sense the power was trimmed when the budget cuts came, but that wasn't really until S7/8. I guess all of S6's spare money went on Drew Fuller. Still, I don't get why they didn't have Phoebe levitating more in S5 when the had a budget increase! A really badly thought out idea, in my opinion. I also agree with your premonitions point, they was literally no excuse for the decrease in her visions, it was ridiculous. I mean, sometimes Phoebe might as well have not been there.
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Post by ljones on Dec 3, 2014 15:06:18 GMT -5
They didn't need to inherit the ability to brew potions, scry or cast spells. That's something that anyone could learn to do. On the other hand, it was obvious that they had inherited their psi abilities - precognition, teleporting (in Paige's case), telekinesis, freezing, etc. - from past ancestors.
All emotions did was kick start their abilities or affected them. The sisters did the rest. If the Halliwells had solely depended upon their emotions to give power to their abilities, they would screwed.
Phoebe never had any real respect for her abilities as a seer. In her mind, brute force is the only true power. And her attitude came from the sisters viewing magic basically as weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 9:22:22 GMT -5
They didn't need to inherit the ability to brew potions, scry or cast spells. That's something that anyone could learn to do. On the other hand, it was obvious that they had inherited their psi abilities - precognition, teleporting (in Paige's case), telekinesis, freezing, etc. - from past ancestors. All emotions did was kick start their abilities or affected them. The sisters did the rest. If the Halliwells had solely depended upon their emotions to give power to their abilities, they would screwed. No, that's wrong. 'Anyone' could definitely not learn to cast spells or, presumably, brew potions and scry. These three practices are the 'passive' powers of any witch, they are what makes a witch a witch in the first place. Phoebe's premonitions were often referred to as a 'passive power' when they were not really, just non-offensive. This is supported by the Tribunal in S6, who took away her 'active' powers, but left her with her basic witch abilities. Otherwise the witches we met without powers on Charmed would just be ordinary mortals who learned the craft. Or, they would be like Marcie from S2, a Wiccan 'witch' but seemingly without any magical ability/knowledge of the magical world. Being a 'witch' still allowed the girls to perform magic even when their powers had been stolen (although the way this was portrayed over the years was very inconsistent. So, in short, being 'magical' is their inheritance, their powers are also inherited but more like a genetic trait, like blue eyes, rather than a guarantee (hence why the cousins of the 20s had different powers). And emotions are essentially just the battery to get the car started. The sisters didn't depend on their emotions to start their powers, it was usually just when their powers were new that they would manifest under the prescence of a speciifc emotion, or when they were emotionally unstable. However, one can assume that generally their emotions were stable, hence so were their powers.
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Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 4, 2014 10:16:51 GMT -5
Powers don't make a witch a witch - it just makes them a powerful witch. From what we can tell, the witches with the amulet in "Exit Strategy" didn't have powers, hence why they had to be protected by the Charmed Ones.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 12:28:14 GMT -5
Powers don't make a witch a witch - it just makes them a powerful witch. From what we can tell, the witches with the amulet in "Exit Strategy" didn't have powers, hence why they had to be protected by the Charmed Ones. Precisely Es. Rather like Tangella from Season One as well, she was clearly aware of Barbas but didn't seem to possess any powers. Whereas with witches like Marcie the sisters couldn't even tell her they had powers.
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Post by ljones on Dec 4, 2014 18:02:59 GMT -5
How do we know that Marcie didn't learn to cast spells, potions, etc. Because Phoebe assumed so? I found it odd that Phoebe and Darryl managed to save her after she had cast a protection spell. Then again, I despised the way the episode allowed the Halliwells to regard Marcy and the Wiccan practices that she knew with such disdain.
Frankly, I'm beginning to suspect that the Halliwells are merely sorceresses. They certainly don't seem like Wiccans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 14:18:12 GMT -5
How do we know that Marcie didn't learn to cast spells, potions, etc. Because Phoebe assumed so? I found it odd that Phoebe and Darryl managed to save her after she had cast a protection spell. Then again, I despised the way the episode allowed the Halliwells to regard Marcy and the Wiccan practices that she knew with such disdain. Frankly, I'm beginning to suspect that the Halliwells are merely sorceresses. They certainly don't seem like Wiccans. We don't for sure, I guess. But it was kind of odd how Piper and Phoebe tried to hide their powers from her and the fact that they were after Barbas, when just the year before all the witches who Barbas were after were well aware of him and magic (Zoe and Tangella). I agree the show's use of Wicca was very shoddy. The portrayal of Wiccan witches was nearly always as being useless or comical. They should've just stuck with 'witchcraft' without bringing Wicca into it.
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Post by angelangelique2 on Mar 17, 2024 4:40:10 GMT -5
It was serious unfairness after all she is a charmed one but was only given premonition from season one through season 2 I always thought Phoebe should of been given a faster power development to have the ability of self defense instead of having to learn martial arts her powers should of been season 1 episode 1 premonition season 1 episode 4 force field ( when she feels threatened it activates like when she feels her premonition season 1 episode 12 astral projection season 2 episode 1 time travel since she sees past future & re-occuring events season 2 episode 11 premonition laser interjection (how I describe it) since she can feel her premonitions she should of been given the power of projecting the emotions back into the villains through her eyes from lasers since sight is her power then season 3 episode 1 should of been projection since it's linked with those who are very imaginative it would of made since she sees the past future and re-occuring events. 1)Premonition 2)Force field 3)Astral projection 4)Time travel 5)Premonition laser interjection 6)Projection
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 17, 2024 10:54:10 GMT -5
Then she would've been too powerful IMO. More so than Prue who was the oldest sister and had the strongest power before Piper could blow things up.
You would've then had to give Prue and Piper 5 powers to balance things out which would make them overpowered and thus not weak to evil making the show boring overall if there was no adversity in the sister's lives being witches of course.
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